My first Rivendell/My first post

[Anthony Beauchemin]

Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a couple years now, but have never actually posted.

I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it!

[Kim H.]

Congratulations Brian acquiring your first Rivendell bicycle !  Looks wonderful. 

What make are those pedals ?  I have never seen such a pair before.

Long may you ride in many smiles in your adventures on your new Rivendell Rambouillet !

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA

owner of a Clem Smith Jr. "L" in lime olive.

[Anthony Beauchemin]

Thanks, Kim! The pedals are Shimano DX PD-MX30. They're MTB pedals from I think 2010 or so. They have removable pins and the part of the pedal body where the spindle goes through is nice and concave...a must for me. I first got a pair when some were donated to the shop I was working in and now they're my absolute favorite pedals of all time!

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[Toshi Takeuchi]

That’s a beautiful Ram—I hope you enjoy it for many years! 

Toshi in Oakland 

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:55 AM Anthony Beauchemin <brainsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a couple years now, but have never actually posted.

I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it!

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[Luke Hendrickson]

Congrats!!! I also saw my first Riv then (an Atlantis) and got it just a year ago. I happen to have that rd as well and it’s the coolest one around in my opinion.

[Patrick Moore]

Anthony, welcome, and kudos on the nice Ram. I owned a second-generation blue Ram and it was a very nice bike; I sold it because I already had a couple of Riv road customs and it was surplus to requirements, but it was a delightfully comfortable and pleasantly handling bike, particularly when, after I discovered modern sealants, I was able to swap the 35 mm Kojaks (not bad, not bad) for blissfully smooth and fast first-ed Paris Roubaix "open tubulars."

Curious, so question for all: I am familiar with the original orange Rams and the second-gen blue ones; when did Rivendell make green ones? When I first saw your photo I immediately thought, "Quickbeam," tho' of course your bike does not have the signature QB decals.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:55 AM Anthony Beauchemin <brainsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a couple years now, but have never actually posted.

I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it!

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[alan lavine]

I have one of those 3 pulley derailers also but haven't used it. What's the purpose?

Alan

NYC

[Roberta]

Anthony,

Congratulations!  You'll be riding it more than you ever though you would.  Rivs ride so nice and are so much fun.

Roberta

[Anthony Beauchemin]

Thanks, y'all! I took it out for a longish ride yesterday and it did not disappoint!

[Kim H.]

Simply marvelous to hear !

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA.

[Peter Adler]

It's to get the chain takeup of a long-cage derailleur, without the long cage. A shorter cage is less likely to get bent, or to get banged against rocks, roots and other debris.

Suntour did a full model range of 3-pulley rears as a special arrangement for Nishiki (early 80s?). My LBS (the late lamented Missing Link of Berkeley CA) had a display in the window of their repair shop with about six different models of 3-pulley derailleurs mounted on it: LePree, Honor, Cyclone, XC, Mountech etc. I had a 3-pulley Mountech sitting in my parts box for about a decade, waiting for a project. When I suddenly had to build up a Trek 720 to replace the Raleigh International pack mule I wrecked just before Christmas 2021, I was about to transfer the Huret Duopar Eco over from the Raleigh when I remembered the 3-pulley, and decided to try it for awhile. I've been riding it for about 18 months, and it's been perfectly fine. And I've never pretzeled the pulley cage by accidentally bumping a barcon and getting the derailleur in the wrong gear, which is more than I can say for the Duopar Ecos; I've twisted two Huret cages that way, which is why I've collected four or five of them.

In operation, the "third" pulley at the lower front of the Suntour is a secondary tension pulley; it only pulls into contact with the chain when the chain is especially slack. When the chain is running loose, the second pulley (primary tension pulley) at the lower rear swings backwards, bringing the third pulley into contact with the chain and supporting the run to the chainring better. When the chain's tension increases, the cage rotates forward, disengaging the third pulley from the chain.

Peter Adler

Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:

I have one of those 3 pulley derailers also but haven't used it. What's the purpose?

[alan lavine]

So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage deralailer ?
Alan

[Kim H.]

Quite a remarkable derailleur. I thank you, Peter for the information that I never knew about, when I was a huge fan of Suntour derailleurs and freewheels for many years after the sunset of the Suntour company.

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[Peter Adler]

That's certainly my theory, but I haven't tried it with a cog that large yet. I currently have a 14-28 6-speed Suntour mounted on the temporary Phil+Araya rear that's there now, until I reconstruct the Phil+Mavic MA-2 rear that I noticed as dented when I was building up the Trek. That hub will get an axle-end swap; Phil Wood apparently used longer axle ends for 7-speed 126 OLD hubs than for 6-speed. I'd attempted to install one of my expanding collection of Sachs-Maillard 7-speed mountain FWs (large cogs ranging from 28 through 34T), but the axle end didn't push the dropout of the Raleigh out far enough to clear the smallest cog.

For comparison purposes, the Huret/Sachs-Huret Duopars (both the Ti original. and the all-steel Eco) are rated for 36T. But I suspect that with a 26-28T granny in a 5-pin chainset, a 34T cog will be sufficiently capable of pulling stumps.

Michael Sweatman at disraeligears.co.uk theorizes that the Suntour 3-pulley systems can handle 38T cogs. Does anyone actually make a freewheel that low? I suppose someone could experiment with it in an indexed 1x system, for science.

Peter Adler

Berkeley, CA/USA

[Anthony Beauchemin]

The current set up I have on my Ram is 11-36 in the back with a 52-42 up front. I wasn't going to do the 36, but I had it and wanted to see how the derailleur would handle it. It works great, but I'll probably change it because I can't see a situation where I'll need to go that low. 

[alan lavine]

Thanks for the info. I'll try it next build.