Pasela Actual Sizing
Angus
run relative to their stated size?
I need a new tire for the Rambouillet, run fenders and do not feel
rich enough in this economy for the Grand Bois. I'd like to keep the
width to 30mm or so.
Thanks!
Angus "who runs his tires down to the cord"
Gino Zahnd
the right amount of room. Not too tight, plenty of comfort.
Bill M.
31 mm wide (on Velocity Aerohead rims).
Bill
Chris Halasz
given my recollection ...
Chris
Tucson, AZ
Wheelslucas
Wallingford Bike has a chart at http://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html.
These tires run narrow. I used a 28C on a late 70's racing with a G40
rim. It measured 25.6mm.
Ragards,
Angus
I ordered some 32s; rough roads around here, I think I can squeeze the
32s under the fenders.
My old, old, old Pasela 700x32s measure more like 25.5 the more recent
Paselas 35s measure 35 and 37's measure 36. Looks like they run
closer to the true size these days.
Thanks!
Angus
> Wallingford Bike has a chart athttp://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html.
>
> - Show quoted text -
JL
The chart at wall bike http://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html
which someone posted earlier claims to be a Pasela Tour Guard chart.
Are they the same width as the no TG models? are the non TG tires
still available anyplace? I happen to think that the Pasela TG
700X28c is the best "cheap" tire I have ever ridden. I have a pair on
the road standard and with the short reach brakes these are the
biggest tires that can comfortably fit.
Jason
Angus
On Dec 2, 1:13 am, JL <subfas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The chart at wall bikehttp://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html
PATRICK MOORE
Tim McNamara
On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:36 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> FWIW, 1.25 559 Paselas measure 31 mm on narrow 19 mm Sun semi aero
> mtb rims.
Mine are 32 mm on my Sun CR-17 and CR-18 mismatched rims. And IMHO
the best road tire I have found for 26" rims (I think I tried them
after Patrick recommended them on the iBOB list a few years ago).
42MuskhamSt
folding and a couple of wire bead 700 x 28 non-TG. The wire bead
tires were on special for something like 12.00 each, so I thought I'd
give them a try. They're nice tires and run well, but I had a
puncture in the non-TG within 500 miles. The TG tires have 1500miles
on them with no flats (so far, touch wood etc. etc.). I measured the
32's at an actual size of 30mm, with 100psi on a Velocity Razor.
Actually, I had a problem with one of the 700 x 28 wire bead tires
(wouldn't stay on the rim -
(Campagnolo rims on that bike) and emailed Panaracer with my
complaint. They sent me two 700 x 32 TG folding tires as a goodwill
gesture. Gnashbar also sent me a new 700 x 28 as a replacement.
Pretty amazing customer service all round.
Have to say though, that the Schwalbe Marathons look to have a
stronger sidewall and when I eventually wear out my Panaracer tire
stock, I might give the Marathons a try.
On Dec 1, 11:13 pm, JL <subfas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The chart at wall bikehttp://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html
Hank Wirtz
You're not likely to run into them anymore. The current ones, that run
mostly true to size (depending on the rim) have an italicized logo on
the sidewall.
My PX-10 has (current) 28mm folding Pasela TGs, which are about as
wide as you'd want to go under a 35mm fender.
RodC
Personally I would discount the validity of that data, for current
tires.
'cause, I have 32 TGs on Sun CR18 rims, dead on @ 32mm. Had some 35s
on these rims for a short time, they came in about 2mm larger. I also
have 28 TGs on some Alex ACE 19 rims, dead on 28. All the tires
mentioned are folding models, and stretched to current dimensions
after mounting and a few rides.
ETRTO size of the Alex rim in 622x17 (inside width of rim, 17mm,
verified with calipers). The Sun rims measure 17.5mm inside width.
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> Wallingford Bike has a chart athttp://www.wallbike.com/tires/panaracer.html.
EricP
over. They were from recent batches.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
Mitch F.
The 32s come out to about 31mm (50psi) and the 35s come out to about 36mm (75psi). When you look at them, the size difference is much more noticeable than the size difference between my 32s (75lbs) and the Gran Bois 28s (95psi). My Michelen Pro Race 25s are actually 26.5mm (100psi), and that's on thinner Velocity rims.
--- On Wed, 12/3/08, RodC <RCe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hank Wirtz
On Dec 2, 12:24 pm, 42MuskhamSt <attew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bought some a few months ago from Gnashbar. Some 700 x 32 TG
> folding and a couple of wire bead 700 x 28 non-TG. The wire bead
> tires were on special for something like 12.00 each, so I thought I'd
> give them a try. They're nice tires and run well, but I had a
> puncture in the non-TG within 500 miles. The TG tires have 1500miles
> on them with no flats (so far, touch wood etc. etc.). I measured the
> 32's at an actual size of 30mm, with 100psi on a Velocity Razor.
>
> Actually, I had a problem with one of the 700 x 28 wire bead tires
> (wouldn't stay on the rim -
> (Campagnolo rims on that bike) and emailed Panaracer with my
> complaint. They sent me two 700 x 32 TG folding tires as a goodwill
> gesture. Gnashbar also sent me a new 700 x 28 as a replacement.
> Pretty amazing customer service all round.
the folders. The folders are fantastic tires. The wire-bead ones are
not.
Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
years. This reputation for blowing off rims has not been validated by
our customers or in my personal riding experience with them. I find
them generally true to nominal dimensions, within a mm or so.
Hank Wirtz
26x1.75) have blown off their rims. with the 700s, it happened on two
different rims, a Torelli Master and an Ambrosio Evolution. The 26"
one was on a Campy Thorr. No other model of tire, wire or folding, has
done that to me before or since, and that counts 4 years of
professional wrenching in the late '80s.
A 75% blow-off rate on that many tires, plus the numerous reports of
others in the Surly LHT group and RBT tells me that it's not bad luck
and it's not in my head.
I'm glad your luck has been better, but I'm not riding a wire-bead
Pasela ever again. Like I say, love the folders.
On Dec 3, 10:42 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:
Tim McNamara
On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Hank Wirtz wrote:
>> On Dec 3, 10:20 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Wire-bead Paselas are famous for blowing off the rim. Avoid them.
>>> Get
>>> the folders. The folders are fantastic tires. The wire-bead ones are
>>> not.
> On Dec 3, 10:42 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "Wire-bead Paselas are famous for blowing off the rim. Avoid them."
>>
>> We have sold and installed hundreds of wire-bead Paselas in the
>> past 3
>> years. This reputation for blowing off rims has not been validated by
>> our customers or in my personal riding experience with them. I find
>> them generally true to nominal dimensions, within a mm or so.
> Three of the four wire-bead ones I've bought (two in 700x28, one in
> 26x1.75) have blown off their rims. with the 700s, it happened on two
> different rims, a Torelli Master and an Ambrosio Evolution. The 26"
> one was on a Campy Thorr. No other model of tire, wire or folding, has
> done that to me before or since, and that counts 4 years of
> professional wrenching in the late '80s.
>
> A 75% blow-off rate on that many tires, plus the numerous reports of
> others in the Surly LHT group and RBT tells me that it's not bad luck
> and it's not in my head.
>
> I'm glad your luck has been better, but I'm not riding a wire-bead
> Pasela ever again. Like I say, love the folders.
Like Jim I have had zero blow-offs with the wire-bead Paselas and,
contrary to the current trend, I run tires at the maximum rated
inflation at all times. Wire-bead Paselas are all I use now and have
been for a couple of years. I am still using MA-2 rims on my 700C
bikes, with the exception of a Velocity rim on one wheel, and Sun
CR-16 and CR-18 rims on my 26" wheels.
I wonder about your rims. Torelli rims were well-known for
inadequate quality control with batches of them being undersized or
oversized. Torelli's rims were made by Ambrosio, so it's possible
that the quality control problems are present in both brands. I
don't know about the Campy rims (my guess is that they are also made
by Ambrosio rather than Campy buying the tooling to make their own,
but that's just a guess with no facts to back it up).
I do also recall there being an Asian tire maker that created some
problems a couple of years ago when they made a batch of tires with
the bead either longer or shorter by a couple of mm, but my
recollection is vague and I can't remember if it was Panaracer nor
whether it was folding bead or steel bead tires that were involved.
Maybe there's someone here with a better memory than mine.
Mojo
time I heard a boom from the garage, and found a slime mess all over
the back of my LHT. I mentally kicked myself for a sloppy mount job,
cleaned it up and remounted carefully checking around both beads that
the tube was interior. Later that night...BOOM! That was earlier this
year. Gnashbar replaced the tire for me, but I won't buy wire-bead
Paselas again.
In case you question my methodology, I have been mounting clinchers
since the early 70s with only one other blowout (that I can remember,
hey early onset of A at 52!), a folding RuffyTuffy that I put on in
haste not checking bead seat.
Bill Connell
>
> I blew my first wire-bead Pasella off a MA-2 rim...twice. The first
> time I heard a boom from the garage, and found a slime mess all over
> the back of my LHT. I mentally kicked myself for a sloppy mount job,
> cleaned it up and remounted carefully checking around both beads that
> the tube was interior. Later that night...BOOM! That was earlier this
> year. Gnashbar replaced the tire for me, but I won't buy wire-bead
> Paselas again.
>
> In case you question my methodology, I have been mounting clinchers
> since the early 70s with only one other blowout (that I can remember,
> hey early onset of A at 52!), a folding RuffyTuffy that I put on in
> haste not checking bead seat.
I've used both wire- and kevlar-beaded Paselas for the last 5-6 years
and never had one blow off the rim. I wonder if there was just a bad
batch of them or something. It wouldn't take much, a little out of
tolerance can make a big difference in fit, especially if the rim is
also a hair small.
I have a set of Nashbar-branded 26" slicks that are so tight (on
Ritchey rims that have had a dozen or more different tires on them w/
no problem) that they took a good part of the afternoon to get
mounted, and days before the beads came out reasonably even. I changed
them for knobbies last year, and i'll never mount those tires on my
wheels again. I've considered donating them, but i'd hate to just pass
on the misery to someone else.
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St. Paul, MN
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>
> Three of the four wire-bead ones I've bought (two in 700x28, one in
> 26x1.75) have blown off their rims. with the 700s, it happened on two
> different rims, a Torelli Master and an Ambrosio Evolution.
As a data point, I mention that I have been using wire bead "700c x
32mm" (actual 27mm) Paselas on my Torelli Master rims for thousands of
miles, and everything works perfectly. The Paselas are a little less
difficult to mount on these largish rims than my previous tires,
Avocet Fasgrips. I don't know what is causing Hank's problem - I would
be inclined to support the QC theory - maybe your tires are from a bad
batch?
James Black
Los Angeles, CA
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> Wire-bead Paselas are famous for blowing off the rim. Avoid them. Get
> the folders. The folders are fantastic tires. The wire-bead ones are
> not.
I DID get a snakebite flat when I rolled too hard off my driveway at a
right angle; but I've never had a tire blow off my rim.
(Of course, I never inflate my tires to full pressure anyway. My non-
scientific method: inflate the tire until you can just barely indent
the sidewall when you squeeze between your thumb and finger. For very
rough conditions I let a little more air out. Jan Heine would shudder,
but in thirty years of serious riding I have almost never used a
gauge. It's all done by feel and so far it works.)
Beth
pali...@his.com
All tires, not just wire bead Paselas, are famous for blowing off rims
when they are installed with a big of tube caught under the bead. And
that's just about the ONLY way you're going to see a tire blow off the
rim, at least in my experience.
pali...@his.com
Two more likely bets, IMO, would be either poor mounting technique or
the use of tubes that are a bit too large. The result in either case
would be a bit of tube caught under the bead, which eventually will
lever the tire off the rim.
42MuskhamSt
on an Alex rim, if memory serves. I have 700 x 28 wire beads tires on
Campy rims with no problems (so far anyway). When the tire blew off
the rim it was a few minutes after mounting the tire in the living
room, and not while riding. Also, I don not believe that it was
sloppy mounting technique that caused the tire to unseat.
pali...@his.com
>
> I should mention that the 700 x 28 wire bead that blew off the rim was
> on an Alex rim, if memory serves. I have 700 x 28 wire beads tires on
> Campy rims with no problems (so far anyway). When the tire blew off
> the rim it was a few minutes after mounting the tire in the living
> room, and not while riding. Also, I don not believe that it was
> sloppy mounting technique that caused the tire to unseat.
>
I've found that there are some tubes that, although labeled correctly,
are just large enough that it becomes extremely difficult to stuff the
tube in and not get part of it caught under the bead. Ordinary "not
sloppy practice" just doesn't suffice. My solution to this has been
to move down to the next smaller size tube.
I notably had the problem with Specialized 559 x 1.5-1.75 tubes used
in 650B Col de la Vie tires. The "official" Schwalbe 650B tube says
it also fits 559 x 1.5-1.75, and other brands of 559 x 1.75 tubes fit
just fine, no mounting issues, in the CdlVs. But the Specialized
branded tubes are much larger than the Schwalbes or other brands of
tubes I've used. The next size down, marked 559 x 1.25 - 1.5 are a
perfect fit: puff them up with a few pumps so they hold their shape,
stuff them into the tire, and you couldn't catch them under the bead
if you were trying to.
eddi...@gmail.com
to size. I'm running 28's in wire, 32's in wire and folding, and 35s
in wire. They've improved the ride as well over the older ones.
I had no mouting issues until I tried to put 35mm wire bead tires on
Velocity Dyad rims. They were clearly too big and would not stay on at
all. I tried a set of 35mm Pasela folders and they stayed on but had
to be installed carefully. A web search turned up comments that the
Dyad rim runs a little small. I put on a pair of Ritchey 32mm cross
folding tires and they worked just fine.
I conclude that for *most* rims the Pasela tire is going to work, but
not all. For the record, I'm using the 35mm wire bead with Mavic A719,
the 32mm wire with Open Pros, and the 28mm wire with Velocity Aerohead
and Open Pro rims. We're using the 32 folder with Velocity Deep V rims
on our tandem.
I'm a big fan. No problems at all with these tires other than the
Dyad.
Ed Felker
Arlington, Va
Hank Wirtz
On Dec 4, 8:49 am, palin...@his.com wrote:
> Quoting james black <chocot...@gmail.com>:
hastily with a "700x28-32" tube, but after the first blowoff, I used a
"19-26" tube inflated round, to make folds impossible, but still
smaller than the tire chamber. Once the beads were seated and
carefully examined for evenness around the rim, and no pinched tube
between the beads, I inflated to 45psi, checked the bead again, then
to 75, checked again, then to 95, and checked again. It sat unridden
for a week, topped off to 95 again before riding 17 miles to work. On
the way home, while riding in a straight line, I heard a thump-thump-
thump, looked down and the bead had unseated on my front tire. I
stopped hard and tried to deflate it before the tube blew, but it blew
as I was unscrewing the valve stem.
If you want to call that poor mounting technique, then you've got
higher standards than me.
The 26x1.75 blew off on the rack at work. It was at 50psi, sidewall
listed 40-65. Tube was a 26x1.25-1.5.