25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Me! Me! I want one - it’s going to be a mixte, my favorite! And what if it’s sparkly red with cream accents and fancy lugs? That’s my dream bike!

[jamison brosseau]

I would buy one.

[Don Compton]

As an owner of my fourth Rev( a Roadeo), I would be interested if it's a bike like the Ram or something similar.

[Joe Bernard]

It's not. The Blahg I referenced mentions the design Grant is thinking about.

[sameness]

Here:*

6. This will be our 25th year. We'd talked internally about a 20th anniversary bike, but it never happened. We're talking again, and there are a few ideas, but IT may not happen, either. I don't want to make a collector's model, but I want it, if we do it, to be special in some way. My idea is a long shot. I know the criticism it would get like I can hear it now. It would be a special kind of mixte with special tubes requiring special lugs, and a normal decal wouldn't work on it. We're investigating the soundness of the idea. I am not a tease. It's laterally ovalize top and downtubes, to make the side-viewable surfaces minimal. The seat tube has to be round at the top to fit a round post. It sounds weird, but looks great in my head. We'd make four sizes, do 25 of each, and label them RIVENDELL.

7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.

(*Also that whole Blahg post sounds a bit like Kurtz plodding ever further up the Nong, God bless 'im.)

Jeff "Eventulism Bandit" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

[Adam in Indiana]

I don't know, I personally would lean toward the second idea, a somewhat special ongoing model. I don't like the idea of a Rivendell collector's frame.

[Patrick Moore]

All Rivendells are collectors' models!

For a 25th anniversary model, I'd vote for a Rivendell track bike (with that signature Rivendell handling). If I weren't being facetious, I'd have to say that the Atlantis is probably a very good candidate for a special production model, no, as being the oldest-running model.

Or bring back the Legolas under a non-trademarked name.

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[Joe Bernard]

I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant has reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us who've been on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited model' status will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell.

[Sky Coulter]

I like patrick’s notion of an atlantis special model, but as Joe mentioned, it sounds like Grant has a particular idea in mind, but while it sounds like it’ll look cool from the side, i think would be too redundant w my clementine for me.

Not that a special model atlantis wouldn’t be redundant w my joe appa, but that’s the kind of bike i like most....sky

> On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant has reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us who've been on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited model' status will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell.
>

[Ray Varella]

I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would attract a fair amount of attention.

A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders.
A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1

I’m pretty sure I’d buy one.

Ray

[Drw]

Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is talking about on a bike?

[Fullylugged]

>>Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is talking about on a bike?<<

That would be laterally stiff, but vertically compliant :)

[Tony DeFilippo]

Pure fantasy but my ideal'Riv 25th Anniversary' design would be... Open up the full historical design catalog so long as lugs still exist to support, pre order with full deposit only. Any design that gets 5 or more orders (whatever threshold is driven by River and their builder to ensure a profit) makes the cut.

Have Grant and the team develop a special head badge and Rivendell decal set, number then, Grant hand sign them... And somehow have a secondary decal that notes the particular model heritage. Maybe make the colors limited and a special pallet... Maybe a single color!?!

No geometry changes, only the stock sides available originally. No protovelos, no customs, but any stock design advertised in a catalog or reader. Maybe include Bridgestone 1994 catalog? :)

Everyone would theoretically be able to get what they wanted (so long as they bring 4 friends along to their way of thinking). And if Riv kept the deposit list live and public we'd have the ultimate all time popularity contest for Riv bike designs.

New, new stock, special edition Riv All Rounder, 1 of 5, and it says Rivendell on it, that fits... :)

[Pondero]

Wow, Tony, that's brilliant!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

[Matt Beecher]

I'm not sure that mentioning this is a good idea. It seems like it might discourage people from holding off on a purchase, because a "better" bike is coming. Cash flow could drop and then they are in trouble again.

The squished tube idea also seems like a gimmick, resembling what Colnago did. I bought and still own one of those, because I was curious and I could sell the Delta brakes for more than I paid. They are duds, IMO. It feels super heavy for a bike marketed to racers.

I'm also not fond of the aero tubes that once seemed popular. At least Grant would make them use a round seatpost.

I'd like to see a return of the all-rounder/XO-1 style bike, but it seemed like Handsome struggled with selling their XO-1 tribute bike a few years ago. I might buy one, depending on price, but question if they would sell.

Small batches of bikes with 25th anniversary decals seems neat. I asked them if any singlespeed might be coming in the near future and they mentioned there are no plans. I'd be interested in that and am open to any brakes, except for disc.

I am probably going to watch for a used Quickbeam to become available and likely buy a new AHH. Those will likely be my last Rivs. I don't know what else I would need.

Best,
Matt B
Oswego, IL

Saluki
Atlantis
Road Standard

[Joe Bernard]

Grant/Riv has always floated the idea of new models, it generates interest and chatter like we have around the Gus right now. In this case it's the opposite for me: They don't have a bike right now that I'm looking at, and I'm leaning away from Gus 'cause I don't think I have a need for it; I'm much more likely to buy this 25th bike if it happens.

[tc]

Speaking of the All Rounder...RR03, pg 34 has a nice write-up from the past.

Reading this RR21 article, it almost sounds like the MIJ Atlantis was to the MUSA All Rounder what the MIT Sam was to the MUSA Homer -- a more evolved (from Grant's perspective) but less expensive frame.

Question for those that have owned both an All Rounder and an Atlantis:  Could you tell a difference, functionally?

Tom

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 9:49:44 AM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:

...I'd like to see a return of the all-rounder/XO-1 style bike, but it seemed like Handsome struggled with selling their XO-1 tribute bike a few years ago.  I might buy one, depending on price, but question if they would sell....

[Philip Williamson]

I agree. A Thunder Burt Legolas in pumpkin orange would throw back to the burnt orange Riv cross bike I used to stare at on the internet, and be on-trend, at least with my friends’ bikes.

Just re-badging the Frank Jones singlesepeed as an Anniverswry model (and offering a larger size) would also work for me.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

[Edwin W]

Tony,

I love that idea! Everyone gets what they want! Riv gets sales, with guarantees, and everyone gets their dream frame. As long as five or so others share that dream. At that price!
I would start with an original one tube Atlantis and might even get a quick beam. You only get to do this once every 25 years!!

“I’m with Tony,”

Edwin

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

There are so many diamond frames in the lineup and in RBW history that I'm pulling for Grant's mixte anniversary bike. Anniversary is celebrating history/longevity and looking forward to the future, adding some romance, and to me that screams MIXTE. That's the bike that has carried me from the kid-pulling years and hopefully through old age. I am really excited to see what creativity Grant would put into this bike.

[Drw]

I support Tony’s idea 100% and would definitely get something. I also support a thunderburt Legolas, or a thunderburt roadini/sam/chev.

That said, I think Grant views the older frames as less evolved than the current and probably isn’t too pumped to sell something less evolved.

[Ray Varella]

Philip,
The current orange on the Roadinis would be my first choice for color. It’s a great color IMHO.
The orange on the HHH tandems is another great color, once again, IMHO

Ray

[Linda G]

I'd vote for a Legolas-type bike. Light tubing, canti/v-brakes, "modernized" with a sloping top tube and ability to take slightly larger tires like 38/42. Grant mentioned in his recent blog that the Roadini did not sell well, except the 50 and 54 sizes sold out. I think there are a lot of shorter/lighter people who do not want a stout bike and great big tires but like the Rivendell philosophy. The larger sizes could be made stouter.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

[Joe Bernard]

To clarify, my intention with this thread was to guage interest in the bike Grant mentioned.

[Brian Reeves]

I’m interested in the Mixte idea as well.  Sorry in advance for the thread drift but since we are sort-of talking about this here’s some 25^th anniversary ideas just because it’s fun to think about these things:  (Disclaimer -  I am not remotely anywhere close to being a novice on bike design and can’t begin to imagine all the time it takes to dream, design, prototype, order and sell bikes…and I haven’t ridden a Rivendell other than the Atlantis.  I trust Grant and the Rivendell team will design a great bike whatever it turns out to be.)

 

1. Make special 25^th anniversary decals for all new bikes and put these on all frames produced in the coming year  - maybe a special seat tube decal with signatures from everyone on it at Rivendell. 
2. Draft 2 (or more) new or refreshed bike designs.  Offer the frames up like the Hubbuhubbuh tandem requiring non-refundable deposits to pre-commit to purchase at a discount (if X amount of total deposits aren’t made the frame isn’t produced and require X amount of deposits to be put down per frame size for that frame size to be made unless Rivendell wants to keep stock of the bikes).  Here are some bike ideas:
1. Rivendells/Grants Special Mixte Design  - If not making the special mixte with ovalized tubes maybe something along the lines of this prototype without the top tube: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/12289515975/in/photostream/  .  Only reason I suggest this is because I like curve-a-tubes like on the large Atlantis frames.  

2. Roadeo or Legolas like bike with longer chainstays that is in the road bike category (or slot in somewhere in between the road/country bike category but leaning toward the road category – say in between a Roadeo and Hilsen) that takes wider tires (650b in most sizes and Atlantis tire clearances) and canti/v-brakes.  In a sense a stripped down Atlantis but fully lugged or fillet brazed/tig with a semi-modernized? tt slope of 3 or less or 6 if fully modernized?...
3. Revised Hunqapillar – I really like the look of this prototype (some of the best photography I've ever seen as well to boot) and love the color too: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/12289515975/in/photostream/  .  Actually, whatever color this is I'd think would be great on any future Rivendell.

3. Make special 25^th anniversary model mugs, patches, hats and shirts (a shirt with all the head-badges on them would be cool – it might be too expensive to create and too expensive of a shirt as well though). 

 

On a side note - My long term plan is to eventually add a Rivendell mixte (for me to use around town and for friends to use) and drop-bar roadish bike (really want something like a Roadeo but with bigger tire clearances and canti/v brakes …the road bike I ride now and have for the last 10 years is too small and I’m not getting any younger…) to go with my swept back Atlantis (which use has skewed more toward dirt/trails/road…actually pretty mixed riding and handles whatever I want to do).  I don’t have a specific timeline on this however.  So I have a new question for ya’ll: What are you biking needs (or desires/wants) that you’d like to fill in the future?   

[A. Douglas M.]

It sounds quite interesting!

With the special lugs it may well be an extended project? Would it come out during the anniversary?

I hope it’s purple.

Best,

Aaron

[Robert Blunt]

Yes to 25th anniversary bike.

On Friday, February 1, 2019, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA.

[Abcyclehank]

I apologize if this comes off as negative. My interpretation of Grant’s Blugh is that the only thing he is considering as a “special” 25th Anniversary option is the Mixte and 25 each in 4 sizes. I assume they would be MIT. It should be something Grant enjoys creating IMO as much as others would enjoy having an opportunity to purchase. Win -Win.
Although I don’t mind others stating what they would like most as their dream bike (a special unique offering) that is not what the intended purpose nor a healthy role of this thread.
Again maybe it is me over reading between the lines and acting defensively of Grant and RBW but several posts seem to be critical of him and his business decisions.
Many a times it has been clearly articulated that RBW is a specialized boutique like bike company (not a store).
If you want a frame bike buy it when it is available their is no guarantee in will be offer again and if so with design improvements that “our” designer believes in.
Additionally the personpower needed to organize limited runs of anyone’s historical favorite or modifications of them would not be financially feasible or logical (again this is just one very large gumpy Rivendell supporter’s opinion).

If someone truly wants a revisited historical bike simply contact Grant, Will, or Roman and ask under what parameters it might be possible. Each have essentially accommodated me and my 99.5 PBH and provided insight to help me get the bike of my dreams or something extremely close.

Go to the source if you are truly serious about getting what you want. I almost went Custom 2x and both times alternatives where offered. (Including Grant offering a 3rd size to the tandem offerings). He said it would be easier for him to do that than me absorb double the cost of a Jumbo tandem.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan 80 degree F temp change from Tuesday (-33) to Sunday (+47).

[Bill Lindsay]

Multiple people said they would buy a drop bar mountain bike that takes Thunder Burt’s.

I’m digging my Thunder Burt drop bar Rivendell. It’s a MIT Atlantis.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca.

[Jonathan D.]

I vote for a carbon disc brake mixte bike just to throw everyone off. It sounds like Grant has a clear idea of his vision and a mixte would fit the current direction of the company. I just wonder how the model would be different From the Gus, Clem L and Cheviot. I don’t see a lot of gaps in the current models and I do think Grant sees the new designs as an evolution of the past models so re-releasing the all rounder or another old bike would be an odd choice. Blue Lug had the special edition Frank Jones that was great looking.

[Patrick Moore]

Now that I do like.

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[Don Compton]

I have to pass. They've lost me with their new models.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:31:37 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:

Here:*

6. This will be our 25th year. We'd talked internally about a 20th anniversary bike, but it never happened. We're talking again, and there are a few ideas, but IT may not happen, either. I don't want to make a collector's model, but I want it, if we do it, to be special in some way. My idea is a long shot. I know the criticism it would get like I can hear it now. It would be a special kind of mixte with special tubes requiring special lugs, and a normal decal wouldn't work on it. We're investigating the soundness of the idea. I am not a tease. It's laterally ovalize top and downtubes, to make the side-viewable surfaces minimal. The seat tube has to be round at the top to fit a round post. It sounds weird, but looks great in my head. We'd make four sizes, do 25 of each, and label them RIVENDELL.

7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.

(*Also that whole Blahg post sounds a bit like Kurtz plodding ever further up the Nong, God bless 'im.)

Jeff "Eventulism Bandit" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

[bruce.h...@gmail.com]

I'm with Don on this.  I'd really go for a 25th anniv re-release of a classic early Riv, The Road, the Long Low, The All Rounder, with the old style Rvendell decal (which was never used for customs.) GP could take orders and only have the sizes and qty made that people pont up for.  The orig Reynolds 753 special heavy wall tube set is not available, but e could use his Silver Brand tubes, recreate the Sachs design lugs and have them made in Taiwan.

Bruce

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[Joe Bernard]

Kids, I do not understand why you keep deviating to designs you can pay Riv to build as a custom. That's not what this thread is about. Thank you.

[John G.]

I’m having a hard time visualizing it. I’d be interested in a mixte, but I’d want more details.

Bummer about the Roadini sales. The new Riv sizing puts me on the edges of sizes, so I’ve held off on a Roadini and a Homer. Being on the edge of a size range has never worked well for me before.

[Joe Bernard]

John G., I picture the tubes looking very thin from the side, giving the frame kind of a wispy look, like a butterfly. I think it would be fascinating.

[jamison brosseau]

Joe, if they make any bike flirting with a 25 year anniversary I will buy it, regardless of the design.

[sameness]

Here's an old Mountain Goat with laterally ovalized top and down tubes.

I guess if you ovalized the seat tube at the bottom bracket a la Ritcheys you'd have somewhere to make that mixte-y top tube join somewhat coherently?

I can't imagine how head scratching this would be with lugged construction.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

[Joe Bernard]

That bike answers the question, "How come Mountain Goat isn't around anymore?"

[Lester Lammers]

Agree. The MIT Atlantis is very versatile. Very much and all rounder.

[lconley]

Yes - the HubbuhubbuH. The downtube, midtube, toptube, and the tube connecting the bottom brackets are all laterally ovalized. The downtube, midtube and toptube all transition from round at the headtube to laterally ovalized maybe 6 to twelve inches from the headtube. I would imagine that all of the tubes would be smaller in "diameter" on a mixte.

Laing

Cocoa, FL

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 1:28:31 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:

Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is talking about on a bike?

[S. Greco]

+1 for a 26" All Rounder / XO style Anni

[Justin, Oakland]

I like the idea that Grant presents for the 25th Anniversary looking forward and celebrating the past model. I enjoy the way Riv honors the past without just playing the hits. I don’t always enjoy every new model but at least it’s changing and iterating. There’s a clear evolution of design going on so I am hard pressed to see him offering a vault design anytime soon. I am sure they’ll build you an all Rounder if you want to pay the price for a custom though.

-J

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I remember when Specialized did the retro-versary reissues of the Stumpjumper and the Allez. Or the Paramount 50th. Or De Rosa, Merckx, Harley Davidson (the bicycle, not the motorbike) the list goes on. Retro can be fun, but keep in mind not everything designed to be a collectible ends up a collectible, and few of those retro-versary models will ever be ridden. That's a shame. Personally, I like the idea that RBW would do a new bike that represents everything they've learned so far - just like they always have. I love my 6-year Anniversary All Rounder! One thing is for certain: I will design a special anniversary head-badge poster at some point during the year. I think all I need is the Gus-badge and whatever the 25th edition will be to be up to date. Unless of course they come out with other new models between now and the end of the year, which is not out of the question given their history. I suspect Grant only shares with us what's a little way up his sleeve. Can't wait to see what's further up.

Marty

[bfd...@gmail.com]

I agree with Joe that it should be a "limited model." If Riv wants to make a 25th Anniversary edition, it should be something like the Legolas since that seems to be one of the rarest models ever made. Good Luck!

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 8:47:20 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant has reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us who've been on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited model' status will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell.

[Joe Bernard]

If Riv wants to make a 25th Anniversary Edition, it's going to be the one Grant has already written about.

"Collectible": I'm not holding out for the bike to gain in value over the years. My thoughts on it being a limited anniversary frame is that it will sell well that way; the "collectible" part is literal: You buy it and keep it.

[Collin A]

I agree with Joe on this, Grant has his idea and likely won't be swayed by the thoughts of the group, that seems to be why he doesn't do disc brakes, carbon forks, etc... If anything, an anniversary bike gives Rivendell an almost sure way to try something different/crazy that will sell out based on it's limited availability.

 

Echoing Marty, A collectible Riv seems to be an antithesis of how Grant & Co. design bikes and how they intend for them to be ridden. Buying a Rivendell and not riding it seems like a sin!

It'll be interesting to see what the crew comes up with. It'll be met with a combination of praise and scoffs I'm sure, ha!

[Eric Chatham]

But does Grant wear white Sox?

[Mark in Beacon]

Gold-plated, fillet-brazed Clementine.

[Julian Westerhout]

Pish posh -- it's a 25th anniversary bike, not 50th, so it needs to be silver plated, not gold!    ;)

Julian Westerhout

Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 1:25:17 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:

Gold-plated, fillet-brazed Clementine.

[Mark in Beacon]

You make a good point. But I think we should go for the gold while we can...

[lconley]

The lugs will be brazed with silver solder.

Laing

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 5:26:54 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Does anyone know how long it takes for Grant to design a bike and bring it into production? Wondering if we will see it made before 2020? I don’t care; I’ll wait!

[Ash]

Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 

A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 

[masmojo]

I am on board with the Mixte concept Grant has in mind; a Glorious or Wilbury is my dream bike and if the Anniversary bike is anything like that I am SO In!
As a former XO-1 owner & current Atlantis owner, the idea of making an XO throwback is a bit perplexing. I personally consider the Atlantis to be the direct decendent of the XO-1. Now although the current interation of the Atlantis is certainly an additional degree of separation from the XO, I am not sure if a return to concept model is needed?
FWIW, the current Rodini with Albastahce bars looks & feels so much like my old XO it's spooky.

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that was my reaction to the Roadini, too, especially in orange. It looked and felt like a direct descendent of my XOs, just with bigger wheels.

[bfd...@gmail.com]

The Specialized 40th Anniversary Allez frameset was nice, but very pricey at $4000 for the frameset.  It was designed by Mark DiNucci, but made by Toyo, so good stuff. Only 74 were made.

Interesting, if you really want one, DiNucci still has the lugs, including the cool x-wing chainstay bridge, so for a little more, you can have a custom frameset build by Mark with these lugs. 

I wonder if Mark Nobilette will make Riv's 25th Anniversary frameset?! 

Good Luck!

[Justin, Oakland]

I would expect more Mixte Boots Wilson, less Traveling Wilbury.

-J

[Bill Lindsay]

If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 56cm 650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with heavy rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front rack and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If I had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat and seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, and two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too heavy?  Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike. 

[John Bokman]

Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?

A roadini with 35mm tires and center pull brakes is making me think hard about a 57....Maybe albastache bars....

[sameness]

The catalog says 28s with fenders, 35s without:

Jeff Hagedorn

Los Angeles, CA USA

[John G.]

Man, I am worn out by the “bike xyz is overbuilt” conversation. It feels like people have completely lost sight of other things that make a bike delightful to ride. My Atlantis was around 29 pounds and a bit heavy on climbs, but its handling and manners couldn’t be beat. Sure, I was about 1 mph slower on it than my other bikes, but holy moly that matters way less than feeling good on a long ride.

I miss that bike. Wish I had never sold it. Was foolishly chasing down the “rides light” phantom.

[John Bokman]

Thanks Jeff.

[tc]

I have a 61 Roadini running 35s (Jon Bon Pass) without fenders, using Paul medium racers. That’s the biggest I would attempt, though I think someone on this list managed to squeeze 38s with some contortions and magic.

Max tire per Riv is 35.

Tom

[William R.]

38s will fit on the Roadini with a Paul Racer on the front. Barlow Pass shown in photo. I would like to see if the Diacompe 610s might offer a little more clearance but have not had the chance to try them yet. If they do I might feel bold enough to throw some Steilacooms on. In photos on the Riv site, it looks the 610s might offer up a bit more clearance. As is, I've been riding the bike like this with the Barlows and I've had zero problems and it feels great.

Bill in Westchester, NY

[John Bokman]

Bill, that looks very nice.

I was hoping to run Bon Jons with fenders and the Diacompe centerpull brakes. Not sure if I'd be able to do so, but I sure am tempted to try! If I could not run the Bon Jons, I could, perhaps, go to a Jack Brown Green, which I've really enjoyed - except that they don't last very long for me.

[Abcyclehank]

Sure excited to see tire clearance on whatever Grant’s special anniversary Mixte might have. I would 100% buy one for sure if one of the 4 sizes does not fit me. I will get one for my wife, future daughter in law, or a future wife or girlfriend if neither of the first two want some Rivendell Magic.
Actually that last part was made up. The third candidate would be upgrading my adult daughter’s 59cm customized Clementine.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

[William R.]

John,

I think there’s a good chance that Bon Jons and fenders will work on the Roadini. Brake choice will be important and some finagling may be necessary. If you go forward with this project, please post the results. Thanks.

-Bill

[tc]

Bill, unfortunately not with the Paul Medium Racers and Bon Jon’s. There’s only 2.5-3mm between front tire top and brake arm bottom as measured on my Roadini. Side clearance is limited by the inside fork before the brake arm would become an issue.


Tom

[Davin Dahl]

I've got a 57 Roadini with the Albatross. It's such a great bike. I commute on it and take roadish rides. I started with drop bars but prefer the current bars by a mile. I have 35mm Gravel King SK's set up tubeless. It rolls like butter. Go for it!

[tc]

Leah,

I think you, as much as anyone here KNOWS the Betty.  If the 25th Anniversary bike will be a mixte, and given the Cheviot is alive and well, what would your mixte design points be that aren't already covered by your Betty?  Or a Cheviot?  Or, is your passion based on simply wanting another, different, "it's Tuesday, I feel like riding X instead of Y" frame design (like many here, including me!).  I think your perspective would be great.  Especially given I have that dang "Sam Blue" Cheviot of my wife's, starting at me from its shipping box...and I dream of sticking some Rock n' Roads or fatter tars on it and zipping away :)

Tom

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 12:02:47 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

There are so many diamond frames in the lineup and in RBW history that I'm pulling for Grant's mixte anniversary bike. Anniversary is celebrating history/longevity and looking forward to the future, adding some romance, and to me that screams MIXTE. That's the bike that has carried me from the kid-pulling years and hopefully through old age. I am really excited to see what creativity Grant would put into this bike.

[Leah Peterson]

Oh Tom, I thought no one would ever ask! Actually, caveat: This is all in fun. I don’t want to be telling Grant/Rivendell what to do. Whatever they do will be good, clean, fun and I am so excited to finally know what it will be. I love my bike, I love their bikes, and I am a novice who knows NOTHING. But if I was going to make a Mixte Wish List, here are my respectful and non-bossy thoughts:

1. Fancy Rivendell lugs. I love them - like the ones they put on customs. They are traditional Rivendell and fitting for an anniversary model. The lugs are the nod to Rivendell’s beginnings and the evolved geometry is where Rivendell is now - a summary of 25 years. The the decal can read “One Bike To Rule Them All.” Or “My Precious” if the former is too lengthy. Or some clever Tolkien reference...

2. A lower top tube. The TT is not actually that low on the Betz, and I’d prefer it lower for my golden years. If it was swoopy like the Clementine, that’s good, too.

3. Take wider tires. Like the Clementine.

4. I want the brake cables strung on the underside of the tubes. I have a nasty mark where the cable has been mashed into my paint job by the arm of my vehicle bike rack. It’s an eyesore I see every darn day.

5. The thing I really, really, really want: Sparkly red paint with cream accents and the Rivendell head badge. You know the kind of red that stops you in your tracks, turns heads, convinces you you’re 16 and makes people let out a long, low whistle? THAT red. 

I reserve the right to add on later! Does anyone else have these on their wish lists?

So fun and thanks for asking, Tom! If your wife won’t give you your Valentine’s bike, maybe you should get an anniversary bike instead. Ha!

Leah

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[Bruce Herbitter]

Leah:

There is a Saluki painted as you describe on the Cyclofiend page. The color is called Brandywine. That was my inspiration when I chose Barcelona Red for my Nashbar Mark III re paint a few years ago. Solid red only due to budget but it gets lots of comments.

[REC (Roberta)]

https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/154226333284/the-rosco-bubbe-project-frames-and-a-few-demos

One of the Rosco Bubbe frames was a deep, saturated red.   There are three pics in the link above that show the color.  Beautiful!   

Roberta

[Tony DeFilippo]

" The the decal can read “One Bike To Rule Them All.” Or “My Precious” if the former is too lengthy. Or some clever Tolkien reference..."

Love this!  

And I agree that most Riv mixtes are all that low step over.  I always figured they couldn't get the frame strength characteristics they wanted.  I ended up refurbishing an old Schwinn for my Mom to get the step over she needed.

[Fullylugged]

Leah:

here is the link to the nice red Saluki;

http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc081-johnprice0206.html

[ascpgh]

"Rosebud" and an image of a runner sled.

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[WETH]

(Apologies to those on email, but I seem to keep deleting my posts after posting them. Not sure what bus going on.)
Leah,
That’s an almost perfect wish list; I’d buy one!

Roberta,
My younger son rides that red Rosco and it looks even better in person!
https://flic.kr/p/29q4vKV

All the best,
Erl

[RichS]

Davin,

This has been a fun thread with lots of beautiful bikes and inspiring ideas. Would you be able to post a pic or two of your Albatross bar Roadini? I think Joe B's Roadini is the only one I've seen on the list that did not have drop bars. 

Thank you very much!

Best,

Rich in ATL

[Garth]

      When I think of sparkling red paint that turns heads ..... SCREAMING REDDDD ! .....  I think of a liquid candied red with oodles of depth that really POPS OUT at you in the Sun ! 

Otherwise .... we aren't talking "screaming" ... like Lightning on 2 wheels ..... but yawning-ho-hum-time-for-a-nappie.

Something in the ballpark of this : https://www.thepowdercoatstore.com/products/candy-red-powder-coat

[REC (Roberta)]

Your son and the bike look great together!   I wanted to buy that bike because I loved the color so much (and it had the lift tube) but one of the guys at RBW talked me out of it because the size or geometry or something wasn't right for me.  I hope your son loves riding it.

Roberta 

[tc]

THAT...is the red my wife drools over. Ever since it was posted on Rivs site, she’s said she definitely wants a bike that color eventually.

Your son is a lucky young man!

Tom

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Erl,

Adorable - your son and the bike! So good to see the next generation on Rivendells. Thanks for jumping in and sharing his bike with us. Love that red paint!

[John McBurney]

Here’s my Bombadill circa 2008. It’s not red yet but maybe some day. I’ve thought about chroming the entire frame and fork then painting the tubes Ferrari red while masking the lugs and stays. 

It’s pretty as it is and the Toyota Bright Silver matches the polished components really well. Every ride elicits some type of reaction. 

The build is interesting. Sun XCD cranks with removable spider (110 BCD and 130 BCD with option to run mountain double or compact road double) XCD derailleurs, 9 spd 12-32, PaulMotolight brakes and love levers, Paul Thumbies, SON generator hub, 36 spoke velocity rims 650b shod with Compass 48c Switchback Hill extralight tires under Honjo H80 XL fenders (and it can also handle Pacenti Quasimoto 27.5x2.0). Nitto racks, bull moose bar, S83 Seatpost, Brooks 867 saddle VO stand and Double Shot pedals. 

A wonderful and unique bike. 

John 

[Jonathan D.]

I vote for an anniversary bike in Nitto Blue with special edition Nitto Bars. Seems fitting for Rivendell to partner with Nitto. Perhaps a special edition anniversary bag as well.

[Joe Bernard]

Well it's a 26th Anniversary Riv if it ever happens at all now, which kinda bums me out. Leah had questioned if the timeframe was too tight, and she was right.

[Abcyclehank]

I am not bummed at all. 25, 26, 27 it takes time to do something right. Go Grant go. 26th special edition Riv. Mixte covering the gamet of sizes is something I will sign up and throw my money towards. Would love something I could use the heck out of and pass down to a tall grandchild 26 years or so from now. Physical family heirloom to pass on in addition to the values and morals, appreciation of the world, freedom and exploration, being childlike, and being true to oneself.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

[Philip Williamson]

I think a "26th Anniversary" Rivendell is quirky enough. I like it. 

It makes me laugh, like "Ever Since 1994" did in 1995. 

Philip

Santa Rosa, CA  

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I meant the wait bums me out. I guess that wasn't clear.