Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my tiny family members.

(I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)

Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment for a better experience for the tortured family members?

Leah

[Leah Peterson]

Ok, first up. 

This is the inaugural ride of my Betty Foy. I was living in Southern California at the time and had arrived home with my new bike after picking it up at RBW HQ in late 2012. I decided to make us all ride our bikes to church that Sunday morning. Please note how tiny my littler boy is. I saw this photo and remembered how many times I insisted he was not pedaling hard enough when we were riding up the hills. For Pete’s sake, the kid was 3 years old and weighed like 30 pounds. I was certain he was not doing his part.

You’ll notice my older son, who was almost always smiling and never complaining, has this Haro bike. It was the best we could get because he was too small for most everything else. It was a BMX bike, and probably not well-suited to what we were doing. However, I’ll draw your attention to the next photo…

Which is this one. Look at this atrocity. We are visiting my parents, and they have sweetly bought him this new bike from the best sporting goods store in town. Pacific was supposedly made by the Schwinn people, the only reputable bike company we knew of by name. If it said Schwinn, it must be quality. This said Pacific, which meant Schwinn, so it was clearly quality. We had no idea at the time how monstrously heavy this bike was. Look at my tiny boy, suffering with every pedal stroke. The bike was way too big for him (“He’ll make it work, it’s what I did as a kid,” said the helpful salesman) and it outweighed him, easily. Is it even put together correctly? Is the fork right? I don’t know, but my sunny child is clearly not enjoying himself here. I’m sure I told him he was being ungrateful after his grandparents bought him a brand new bike. And also, pedal harder. 😩

Finally, these last two. I got my act together and ordered that Islabike you see in the far right, so at least my poor kids were better off. But what about our dog?! Here he is, stuffed unceremoniously into a Backabike bag. I knew it was a bad idea but I consoled myself by believing it was the dog’s fault. He was desperate to come along and was making quite a fuss. His riding basket was full of backpacks, so this was the only way. 

Also, here is he again, all 15 pounds of him, with a heavy wooden skateboard laying across his back. I’m sure he felt every bump. I am also sure that I was feeling smug for figuring out how to carry all this stuff on my bike. 

I’m sure there are more of these regrettable photos, and when I find them, I’ll put them here. In the meantime, go ahead and post your guilty bike life memories/photos here. I could use the company. 

Leah

On Mar 4, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my tiny family members.

(I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)

Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment for a better experience for the tortured family members?

Leah

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[Doug H.]

This is gold. Your boys will remember these times fondly,  not sure the pup will/did but dogs don't like to be left out of anything so I bet he had fun! Good stuff.

Doug

[Paul Clifton]

Fantastic post, Leah. Learning to empathize with tiny humans has been one of the most eye opening parts of parenthood for me.

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[Ryan Frahm]

Great post Leah! I am so excited to share what I enjoy with my daughter so I have tried to keep in mind that she is only three. She’s been in the trailer with me since she was one and sometimes I forget that low 20’s might not be ideal hot chocolate by the river weather. She’s all smiles in this picture but a few minutes later we had to head home to warm up! 

[Joe Bernard]

This is my favorite part: "And also, pedal harder." 😂

Joe "will be hearing this if I ever make it to a Leah group ride" Bernard

[Dave C]

I have a different perspective. First, when I was growing up, I prized my BMX bike and banana seat Schwinn cruiser, even though they were not designed to travel distance like an adult Rivendell. Those bikes gave me freedom, and I was not capable of understanding that a "better" bike was out there, nor would have that served me well. The options we have as first world consumers can be liberating, but they can also be a burden that occupies too much of our time. A BMX bike is a simple machine, one ring and cog, fewer parts to fix. It is unfortunate that many kids bikes are infernally heavy proportional to their weight, but they are still amazing tools that allow kids to propel themselves in ways no kids prior to the last century had at their disposal. 

I bought my 14 year old daughter an e-bike so she can ride to and from school everyday on her hilly commute. The e-bike is impressive, but she often has battery anxiety, and if it dies she wants to be picked up rather than pedal that heavy machine. If she was riding an older 26" hardtail from the late 90s or early aughts, she might sweat a bit more on the uphills but she would likely just walk up the hardest section and never consider calling me. It feels ridiculous that I would spend a bunch of money to make a problem easier and then create new problems. My point is, our kids can adjust to "inferior" or heavier bikes just like they have for decades, and fall in love with biking if they enjoy the adventure. I don't think you have anything to regret, you have simply been burdened with the idea that you are somehow responsible to give them some especially great bike because you did that for yourself; that feeling is powerful and hard to resist, but it is not a fact, just a feeling. At least that is my perspective, from my own experience. By the way, I have bought my kids the lighter of available bikes, but always used Treks and Specializeds that had quality parts and cost $100-$150 used. Then we focused on the important things: a doughnut bell, a kickstand, and cool grips. Dave in Carlsbad

[Dave C]

[Jock Dewey]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/

Jock Dewey

[Jock Dewey]

Now up to date.:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/52727172792/in/dateposted-family/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/52589941155/in/dateposted-family/

[Garth]

Sure thing, as a teen/young adult traveling with the family was always "make room for one more", the bike of course. But the bike was most important though ..... ((( laughing ))) ... gawl darnit. Protect at all cost from weather, thieves and any potential for trauma. I don't care what happens to me, save the bike !

The garage too, make room for one more, or two, or three ...... you know. We had a large garage with a small shop area in back so thankfully that was no problem. My Dad and brother are both do-it-alls around the house and car and everything they can get their hands on, including building the house and the car, it sorta runs in the family.  Me not as much, I was a last born and by then everyone is tired of kids, so you end up exploring on your own a lot. I try to play fix-it all the time, I screw up al lot, but that doesn't deter me as usually there's simply no one else to call upon. A Horsey has to drink all on their own, and oh what a fulfilling drink it is !  Mostly I just like to ride ..... feel the breeze.... the heat ... the cold .... smell the air..... all the nuances that the wind carries with it. The ups and down and all arounds with twists and crowns. It's never the same twice so you can never go without. I'm probably someone who would ride off in the sunset some day and simply never bee seen again, going to the land of ... enchanting SunShine. Not in a cliche' kind of way ... definitely off script... real Living/Being is always more wonderful than all the scripts ever written combined. What a writer could only dream of ..... Life without the need or possibility of ever a dream.

It's what's Happening, THIS !   Yes .... :-)

[Leah Peterson]

Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be brothers. What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! 

L

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[Michael Hammer]

Skinny tires on those tandems!  Times have changed.  Seems like a lot of bike for those tires.  

[Jock Dewey]

Michael, the tires on our Santana were 27" @ 28 mm wide mounted on 48 spoke wheels front/rear. We punctured only once in just under 2,000 miles—Anacortes, WA to Thief River Falls, MN...on a gravel road into Glacier NP. Quite a machine that was. We never touched our tool set.

BEST / Jock

[R. Alexis]

That is funny! There is some insistence early on to get the ones we are close to involved with our cycling lifestyle. Fixed up a bike for a crazy girlfriend way back when from a bike I bought used with a bent fork. Replaced the fork. She may have rode it once or twice. I don't remember. We broke up and she tried to take it along with other stuff some time after, probably with the thought of selling it. I blocked that. Next girlfriend rode it a couple times. I built her a different bike. She may have rode that one a couple times. Brought home another bike for her and she never got a chance to ride it. Last recent person I had a relationship with stated she never learned to ride a bike because her brother would take and destroy the bike she had when they were young. She also self proclaimed to be pretty clumsy. I didn't want push the issue. Last I wanted was to have her wipe out and get hurt. That relationship went by the wayside, so nothing to worry about now. Was interacting with someone else and that person mentioned she has knee issues that prevent riding a bike. I mentioned e-bike to her. 

Your kids will probably remember it as a positive adventure. You are better aware now. Offer, but not push is the thing. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

[Roberta]

I loved these stories. Leah, I was laughing so hard. Something got thru, as your teenage children still ride today, on Rivendells. Dayton might not have liked the backabike bag, but probably preferred it than to be left at home. 

Frahm30, your daughter’s smile says it all. Even if you had to leave right after the hot chocolate. 

Jock, adorable and inspirational. 

Roberta

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” 

Leah once again starts an epic thread. It's much more (fun) when they get to be middle school age!

My wife and I honeymooned in Vermont on our Santana tandem. Yes, 27" wheels with 1 1/8" tires, right, Jock? So, around the time our daughters were middle school aged, we bought another tandem (Co-Motion Periscopa) for a family Christmas present and the following summer packed up the minivan and headed for Vermont. We started out with adult/child pairs on each, and it was immediately obvious that one pair was a lot faster than the other. We struggled through a rainy first day that way, and tempers were short in our soggy tent that night. The next morning dawned clear and beautiful, but after the first hill it was clear we needed to change things up. We put both kids on the Co-Motion and they disappeared up the next hill, leaving the old folks behind. The smiles on their faces didn't disappear the rest of the trip. Considering how rocky their relationship could be (middle school girls, remember...) it was a miracle. We were just glad we didn't take too long to figure it out!

Ted Durant

Milwaukee WI USA

[John Dewey]

That's a delightful story, Ted. And kudos to you for figuring it out. There's no room in the tent for discord :  )

BEST / Jock

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[matt miller]

Really enjoying everyone's stories. My daughter has a nicer bike than I ever had until I was an adult... but she's spoiled and when she graduated from a balance bike to a pedal bike in summer of 2020, there wasn't a lot to chose from! She's still learning that she doesn't need to stay on a path, and that she can stand up on her pedals, but all in all, she does a pretty good job riding for a few miles in the park near our house. (Also, my kid overuses her bell, it's fun to see the annoyed looks turn to smiles when they see her helmet!)

Best,

Matt

[Leah Peterson]

I’m getting a kick out of these photos and stories of people and their kids. I knew I was in good company.

Further sifting through photos revealed this humiliation. In the early days of discovering Rivendell, I loved to buy whatever they sold. I bought these embarrassing triangles for my little guys and made them wear them. They were too obedient to know they ought to argue. They are 17 and 14 now and wouldn’t be caught dead wearing triangles. I sneak smaller triangles (also from Rivendell) onto their Clems but I find them laying around the garage, cast off by the teenagers who still do not argue, but are masterful administers of passive aggressive tactics.

My baby rode 2 wheels right as he turned 4. His triangle is looking huge. Huge triangles; it’s what we like. Saving this for his graduation slideshow.

These next two pics are liable to get me in trouble with dog lovers. Hold your fire; this dog died in 2019; he’s out of his misery now. He was singularly obsessed…with me. He threatened me constantly if I dared to leave without him. Hunger strikes. Garbage strewing. Incessant barking. Attempts to break free of the house. I had to take him, and before Rivendell, this was all I could do:

This is the miserable Trek that was the nicest bike I ever had. It was $400 of disappointment. But thank goodness for it because it led me to the even more expensive Rivendell. I spent $$$ to get the biggest front rack Nitto made and slapped the biggest basket Wald made on top.

Voila. Now, I know you feel sorry for him, but what would you have done? He was standing up in his basket while I was flying, fully loaded with school stuff, down Killer Hill. It was the best thing I could think to do. And never once did he go flying off my bike to certain death. A win, but a photo I feel guilty about, sure.

My grand finale total most embarrassing and regrettable moment will be in the next post, in a video clip. I just showed it to my 17 year old, who shrieked in horror. Why had I allowed this? 

I don’t know. I just don’t know…

On Mar 6, 2023, at 12:43 PM, matt miller <mmille...@gmail.com> wrote:

Really enjoying everyone's stories. My daughter has a nicer bike than I ever had until I was an adult... but she's spoiled and when she graduated from a balance bike to a pedal bike in summer of 2020, there wasn't a lot to chose from! She's still learning that she doesn't need to stay on a path, and that she can stand up on her pedals, but all in all, she does a pretty good job riding for a few miles in the park near our house. (Also, my kid overuses her bell, it's fun to see the annoyed looks turn to smiles when they see her helmet!)

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Best,

Matt

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 11:10:22 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

That's a delightful story, Ted. And kudos to you for figuring it out. There's no room in the tent for discord :  )

BEST / Jock

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 6:21 AM Ted Durant <tedd...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” 

Leah once again starts an epic thread. It's much more (fun) when they get to be middle school age!

My wife and I honeymooned in Vermont on our Santana tandem. Yes, 27" wheels with 1 1/8" tires, right, Jock? So, around the time our daughters were middle school aged, we bought another tandem (Co-Motion Periscopa) for a family Christmas present and the following summer packed up the minivan and headed for Vermont. We started out with adult/child pairs on each, and it was immediately obvious that one pair was a lot faster than the other. We struggled through a rainy first day that way, and tempers were short in our soggy tent that night. The next morning dawned clear and beautiful, but after the first hill it was clear we needed to change things up. We put both kids on the Co-Motion and they disappeared up the next hill, leaving the old folks behind. The smiles on their faces didn't disappear the rest of the trip. Considering how rocky their relationship could be (middle school girls, remember...) it was a miracle. We were just glad we didn't take too long to figure it out!

Ted Durant

Milwaukee WI USA

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[Leah Peterson]

I hope you laugh. This is us, taking our kids on a bike ride, and we discovered this track. There were kids doing real BMX stuff and then there was…us. With our Specialized 24 inch bike, full rack and basket. The dreaded triangle clipped to the blissful, unsuspecting child’s back. What did we think we were doing? Who did we think we were? How much restraint did those older kids possess that they did not laugh us off their track? 

I’ve silenced the video to spare you our commentary, but if the sound was on you would also hear my child’s delighted squeals. He had a lot of fun. He looked like a dork. And he had a lot of fun. I will play this on a running loop at his graduation open house. So help me, I will.

[JAS]

Oh my gosh, Leah...these are a riot.  What's even funnier is your plan to add the evidence to the graduation slide show; he'll really love that!

Your dog wasn't being tortured; he was happy to be there in whatever way he could smush his body into the backpack or basket.  Happy to be with his people and not left behind.  

To all who have "tortured" their kids and significant others with rides that were too long or bikes that weren't up to snuff, forgive yourselves!  They had bikes and you made time to ride together.  Good for bonding, fresh air and fun.  My hat is off to you!

--Joyce

[Joe Bernard]

Well the bike park is adorable. He was having fun! 😊

[Tyler Dewey]

Leah,

Yes, that is me in those photos! Pops and I have been riding together pretty much since I was born. I celebrated my 1st birthday on a bike tour and never really stopped. I don't know how many miles we logged together, but I imagine it would qualify for an around the world patch. Pops introduced me to the Rivendell Reader when I was in high school, and now I ride the black and cream canti-Hillborne he posted. 

-Tyler

Durham, NC

[Leah Peterson]

Tyler, I love it. This is the greatest reply, ever. If you two dig up more of these photographic gems, please show them to us here. I love that he actually passed a love of cycling to you - I think we all wish we we knew how to do that. My boys will ride, but they don’t get the joy I get from it. They do it to get around. And I am not sure they ever look down at their Clems and think they are beautiful bikes. They just ride.

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Leah,

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[Kim Hetzel]

I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding with one of two of my daughters; my youngest.

I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness for all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together during a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid memories were built.

One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles downhill on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going from Hyak at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to Rattlesnake Lake. It was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active up until the 1980's from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail for hikers, bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to Spokane and beyond.

https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake

My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 2011 and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains to Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization.

https://mtsgreenway.org/

I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going to do that anymore. Very unhappy !

This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. I'm looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo woo.

My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond alive. I am very grateful for that.

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA.

[Kim Hetzel]

[JAS]

Kim,

Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!

I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '

Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride report with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.

--Joyce

[Piaw Na]

I guess I don't feel guilty because at all points I didn't skimp on bikes for the kids. I even bought a tow rope so I could tow the kids up hills, and the sheer delight the kids get from cycling more than makes up for it.

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Joyce,

You are more than welcome about me sharing with you and other members about the John Wayne Trail.

There is a shutle service called Agate Pass Transportation. Their telephone number is 360-981-2022 or 877-2022 that you can call and find out more information. You might want to ask them about how your bicycle is going to be transported, as in if it going to be shoved into the cargo bay or some other alternative means ?  I am sure that you share the same feelings that you do not want your beautiful bicycle's paint job scatched up.

At the time of the group ride, there were buses, U-Haul trailers and box trucks that hauled all the bikes from Rattlesnake Lake to the parking lot at Hyak that day.

You might want consider UBER ?...for giving you a ride to Hyak and dropping you and your friends off ?

I am absolutely sure that you will enjoy the 22 mile downhill with all the sights to see. Well worth the adventure.

Yes, I will give a ride report upon returning home with my buddies with photos in June.

At this point in time, we are planning to ride to Lake Easton and back from Hyak and down to Rattlesnake Lake in one day.

Love your comment that "my Clem will shine".  Yes, it will and more.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-8 JAS wrote:

[Kim Hetzel]

Joyce,

You will need a Discovery Pass for the parking lot at Hyak. Not sure about Rattlesnake Lake.

Kim Hetzel.

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[JAS]

Kim, thanks for the tip about the parks pass.

Joyce

[Kim Hetzel]

You are more than welcome, Joyce.

Kim.

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[Tyler Dewey]

Leah,

Pops spent a lot of time this year digitizing all the photos from a big bike tour we did together in 1996. We rode from Seattle to Minnesota. I think he recently posted some of them to his Flickr. I'll have to track down the link (or he can post it here). I always liked riding (and the conversations and food that accompanied riding), but reading the Rivendell Readers when I was younger definitely helped develop my love of bikes as more than an exercise machine. 

-Tyler