On Nov 18, 2025, at 9:24 AM, Scott Fletcher <211fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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<Cobra Trailer Tongue bolt fix.pdf>
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On Nov 18, 2025, at 6:21 PM, Craig Funston <nimbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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No design survives contact with the customer. Some concerns were raised about the original scheme using metric fasteners,and putting another hole in the tube. I know the original scheme will work, this one should work just as well, and it addresses the following customer concerns.
1. I don’t want to drill another hole through the square tube.
2. I want to use zinc plated fasteners to match the zinc plated trailer tongue assembly's metallurgy.
3. I want to use the ½” bolts I’ve already put through the top two holes.
4. I don't like those nylon lock nuts. Since lock tight probably isn't going to work with a properly lubricated bolt, this is the best I could come up with .
This scheme does involve drilling two holes through the bottom of the C-channel that goes on the outside of the square tube, adding 2 additional 3/8" bolts under the square tube. The purpose of these bolts is to help bend the est. 93 Deg bends of the C-channel down to where the sides of the C-Channel touch the outside of the square tube, so that when the ½” bolts on top are tightened they are using most of their available bolt tension to clamp the two pieces together rather than spending most of their available bolt tension, bending metal, with very little left for clamping. The intent of this modification is to clamp the two pieces together firmly enough to stop the “rocking” and eliminate the bolt breakage that many have been experiencing. Based on my tests, it is my opinion that just switching out the top two bolts from 12mm to ½” is not enough to achieve the clamping force necessary to keep the two pieces from moving separately, and that the ½” bolts, by themselves, will eventually fail.
If you are not happy with either of my 2 schemes, you on your own, cause I'm done. If you drill through the top, you are drilling through the manufacturer's stamped data plate which is a sin, This scheme already violates the commandment "Thou shall not mix metric and US standard fasteners on the same contraption". Both of these can be found in Compressions 10:1 right after "He who is without oil pressure shall throw the first rod", and before "It is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to get Never-Seize off of everything in sight, after putting it on only one bolt".
Stacking multiple sins up on one project, leads to it getting snake-bit which is bad, very very bad. Invoices don't get paid, lawyers are engaged, and everybody leaves angry at everybody else, months or years after it was expected to be finished.
SF
Here's a pic of an easier/better fix for the problem of sheared square tongue bolts. 15 minutes - problem solved.
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On Nov 23, 2025, at 11:39 AM, Karl Striedieck <ka...@uplink.net> wrote:
The pic is on this thread Nov 22. Email me (karls at uplink.net) if you can't find it.
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A repeat of an earlier suggestion I don't see anymore.
This issue has a very simple and quick fix: a new bolt installed vertically at the front of the lower channel that holds both pieces together. This removes all shear forces. Of course the two originals stay in place. See pic. It's the gold colored bolt.
Karl Striedieck
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My apologies if you were hoping not to continue this discussion into the new year.
Al-Ko has made millions of trailer tow bars and hitches. They work great. Why does the glider community have problems with them? (My wife, for example, is the undisputed world champion trailer thrower.)
I think the answer may lie in the unusual length of our trailers and, as a result, their relatively huge rotational inertia about the axle (the moment of inertia goes up as the square of length). When either a trailer or tow vehicle’s wheels go down in a dip, or up over a bump, the trailer simply rotates about its axle to adjust to the change in relative height of the tow ball. Absent rotational inertia, or with the minor rotational inertia of the shorter trailers most Al-Co products are mounted on, there is no significant load associated with this rotation. However, our longer trailers resist rotation mightily. Every bump in the road, taken at high speed, puts huge vertical loads on the tow bar and hitch. It’s not the weight of the trailer that matters. It’s the rotational inertia.
Our trailers are also relatively low slung to keep the rear ramp angles low to make it easier to roll the fuselage in. This, combined with their length, means we are often “high-centering” our trailers (dragging the tail) on bumps and grades. This too puts enormous vertical loads on our tow bars and hitches.
With that in mind, I would hesitate to drill additional holes in the top and bottom sections of the square draw bars. Under vertical loads these areas act as flanges where extreme fibers are subject to maximum loads, whereas drilling through the sides of the bar, the web, is relatively benign.
Otherwise, on the face of it, Karl’s solution would seem to add another shear pin to the collection. Since the existing two bolts have two shear planes each, the top pin would increase the shear area by 25% (assuming his bolt is the same size as the existing horizontal bolts). Since determining whether this vertical pin would carry more or less of the vertical impact loads than the other pins is beyond the scope of my current contract, I have to assume that this solution increases the mechanism’s life by 25%. A row of bolts across the top would further increase its life, except, as mentioned previously, I don’t think we should be drilling through the top or bottom of the draw bar at all.
As Scott said, clamping forces should hold these parts together. The bolts should be in tension not in shear. That will alleviate the hammering wear clearly visible in the photo of his bolts, which undoubtedly resulted from bumps in the road acting against the trailer’s rotational inertia. Shear loads may be unavoidable during high-centering events, but his solutions accommodate this by moving the threads out of the shear plane.
I would adopt his second solution myself, but my cobra trailer has one of the older round draw bars, with multiple welds and reinforcements holding it together.
Mike Koerner
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