These are one time per year races around a loop road circuit. Is it possible that I could add the 500 mile race to the RUSA list as a perm?
The route may start and finish in the same place, or finish in a different location (point-to-point), and follow any number of shapes in between, but may not contain repeated loops.
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Article 14
A permanent ride cannot be counted as participation in, or as credit for, another ride.
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Article 6 could be clearer and there is much room for discretion and interpretation, reflecting the many approaches and riding styles we see across events.
“Article 6
Each rider must be self sufficient. No personal follow cars or support of any kind are permitted on the course. Personal support is only allowed at checkpoints. Riding with others who are not on the event or on another RUSA ride is considered receiving unpermitted support.
Riders must conduct themselves in a civil manner and abide by all applicable vehicle codes, laws, and regulations. Riders must respect local customs with regards to decorum. Riders must respect event staff and follow their directions as long as it is safe.”
Could you let me know what support is?
“…No personal follow cars or support of any kind are permitted on the course. Personal support is only allowed at checkpoints…”
No support of any kind? That is just impossible. Does it mean that, e.g., when someone holds the door open at a control gas station because my hands are full, I get disqualified? Or I fall from my bike, and someone picks it up to get it off the road. To me, “of any kind” makes no sense, and I think otherwise, most results would need to be deleted for rule violations!
We can agree on what support is, e.g., someone meeting you in the middle of the course to bring you a “fresh” bike and clothes. But we can quickly disagree about what isn’t support, e.g. if a friend shows up to say hi – which may be trivial and negligible in most situations but can be a blessing in real times of need.
What is “riding with others?”
“…Riding with others who are not on the event or on another RUSA ride is considered receiving unpermitted support….”
We can think of obvious and very unclear cases.
Most of us would frown upon arranging for a friend not registered for the event to meet you and ride a substantial portion of the route with you, especially when they bring you food and you can draft on them.
However, when riding through urban areas or narrow roads, one might get stuck behind other cyclists or buses, allowing us to draft or talk with them. Is that “riding with others?” Do we need to keep away from other cyclists who are not registered for the ride? That sounds too strict.
The RBA or RUSA has a lot of discretion, and as long as they are adjudicated without bias and discrimination, it is good to have wiggle room to accommodate circumstances.
What matters is the spirit of the event. We are riders committing ourselves to riding long distances to controls and are self-supported, whatever that means to you.
More importantly, we should not design events or routes to minimize the scope for cheating. We should first aim to create events that are as scenic, safe, and accessible as possible while meeting the rules.
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Hey Ken –
1. All of the RUSA leaders have been elected by the membership. Our organization was begun in 1998 to replace the undemocratic previous US rando-organization. You might notice we are entering our yearly election cycle.
2. Begun in 1921 by the Audax Club Parisien, modern randonneuring combines various traditional and contemporary aspects of self-supported long-distance cycling – but we still stick to the original concept of noncompetitive, self-supported “allure libre” long-distance riding. Randonneuring is about challenging oneself, not beating other riders. Our rules define our sport – BRM randonneuring is not racing, and trying to combine it with other events, especially competitive events, is not allowed under our rules. You may not like that, but plenty of our members do indeed like the camaraderie found in our non-competitive style of riding. I don’t see that as a problem that needs to be solved or improved as you seem to.
3. Our rules and regulations are regularly updated as seen fit by the RUSA Board of Directors. Another update is currently underway this year. But in general, we stick to the world-wide BRM format of randonneuring. Apparently many riders like this type of challenging riding: at the most recent Paris-Brest-Paris randonneur in 2023, nearly 7,000 riders from around the globe gathered for our quadrennial celebration of BRM riding.
If you don’t like the well-established BRM format and ethos found at Randonneurs USA, I hope you will pursue some other type of competitive riding that would make you happier. Bonne route!
Bill Bryant
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Well, you are probably right, Bill, God forbid anyone should ever question or suggest improvements.
Like board member elections perhaps?
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