The bare essentials
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This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start.
Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one.
Tim "the minimalist" Bartoe
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<DIV>This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be. </DIV>
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<DIV>I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start. </DIV>
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<DIV>Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one. </DIV>
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<DIV>Tim "the minimalist" Bartoe </DIV>
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Timothy Bartoe wrote:
> This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few
> brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding
> with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would
> consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
There's a page on the Randonneurs Ontario site that addresses just that
question. Various RO members contributed their lists of what to carry on
a brevet. They range all the way from "The Bare Minimum" and "Basic But
Complete" to "Just About Everything" and "Why You Really Need to Carry
Those All-Important Extras."
See:
Alan Thwaits
Randonneurs Ontario: http://www.randonneursontario.ca/
Toronto Fixed Group: http://www.pathcom.com/~praxis
Endless Wheel blog: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/AlanT
Steve Palincsar
Timothy Bartoe wrote:
> This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few
> brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding
> with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would
> consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
>
> I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be
> bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg
> warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my
> headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike
> being in top shape at the ride start.
>
> Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra
> cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before
> so I can't see a need for that last one.
Does a pump go without saying? or were you planning on omitting it to
save weight?
Also, you might want to consider adding a patch kit (very light weight,
and you're not toast if you get 2 flats).
And how much liquid were you planning on carrying? How much have you
gone through in the past, with the camel back?
David Buzzee
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Hey, take care of yourself. Include some triple antibiotic salve (you never had a saddle sore?), ibuprofen, stomach pills, perhaps some second skin (for your riding companions, naturally), sun block, . . . . .
Timothy Bartoe <fancyl...@yahoo.com> wrote:This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start.
Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one.
Tim "the minimalist" Bartoe
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<DIV>Hey, take care of yourself. Include some triple antibiotic salve (you never had a saddle sore?), ibuprofen, stomach pills, perhaps some second skin (for your riding companions, naturally), sun block, . . . . .<BR><BR><B><I>Timothy Bartoe <fancyl...@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be. </DIV>
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<DIV>I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start. </DIV>
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<DIV>Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one. </DIV>
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What to take or not take really depends on your goals. Less equipment is needed if a DNF is acceptable versus having to complete a ride to qualify for a 1200 Km event. Some guidelines to use when considering what to take are:
1. What have you taken with on previous rides and used or didn't use? If you haven't used it, you might never need it. If you have used it, is there a smaller / lighter version that you could take in it's place.
2. Is there something that another rider has either borrowed from you or asked to borrow from you? Even though you haven't used it, someone else has needed it.
3. Consider your bike and what could possibly go wrong. If it does happen, what will you need to keep it from being a show stopper?
4. For long Brevets, bring enough clothing for all possible conditions. During the 2004 Last Chance 1200K Randonnee the temperature went from 105 in the afternoon to 39 at night. There was also heavy rains, hail and tornadoes as the riders passed from one weather extreme to the other.
5. For food & water, consider the route and alternatives if the supplies you have run out. During the extreme heat of the Last Chance, even 2 water bottles and a camel back wasn't enough to get through a 60 mile stretch!
One last comment on extra cables. What will you do if one breaks? I have ridden organized rides for 20 years and only had 1 break. Fortunately, it broke a strand at a time and I was able to barely complete a 300K by a thread. During the SF200 two years ago, one rider broke one climbing to Pt Reyes Lighthouse. Fortunately, a park ranger had some spare parts and was able to help. Without the Ranger, the ride would have been over. Carrying a lightweight cable can be the difference between finishing or not finishing a ride.
I hope my suggestions are of some use.
Ken Knutson
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This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start.
Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one.
Tim "the minimalist" Bartoe
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<DIV>What to take or not take really depends on your goals. Less equipment is needed if a DNF is acceptable versus having to complete a ride to qualify for a 1200 Km event. Some guidelines to use when considering what to take are:</DIV>
<DIV>1. What have you taken with on previous rides and used or didn't use? If you haven't used it, you might never need it. If you have used it, is there a smaller / lighter version that you could take in it's place.</DIV>
<DIV>2. Is there something that another rider has either borrowed from you or asked to borrow from you? Even though you haven't used it, someone else has needed it.</DIV>
<DIV>3. Consider your bike and what could possibly go wrong. If it does happen, what will you need to keep it from being a show stopper?</DIV>
<DIV>4. For long Brevets, bring enough clothing for all possible conditions. During the 2004 Last Chance 1200K Randonnee the temperature went from 105 in the afternoon to 39 at night. There was also heavy rains, hail and tornadoes as the riders passed from one weather extreme to the other. </DIV>
<DIV>5. For food & water, consider the route and alternatives if the supplies you have run out. During the extreme heat of the Last Chance, even 2 water bottles and a camel back wasn't enough to get through a 60 mile stretch!</DIV>
<DIV>One last comment on extra cables. What will you do if one breaks? I have ridden organized rides for 20 years and only had 1 break. Fortunately, it broke a strand at a time and I was able to barely complete a 300K by a thread. During the SF200 two years ago, one rider broke one climbing to Pt Reyes Lighthouse. Fortunately, a park ranger had some spare parts and was able to help. Without the Ranger, the ride would have been over. Carrying a lightweight cable can be the difference between finishing or not finishing a ride.</DIV>
<DIV>I hope my suggestions are of some use.</DIV>
<DIV>Ken Knutson</DIV>
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<DIV>This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be. </DIV>
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<DIV>I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike being in top shape at the ride start. </DIV>
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<DIV>Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before so I can't see a need for that last one. </DIV>
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erb ose
BTW, what clothing do you reccomend bringing for hail
and tornadoes?
HR
--- Ken Knutson <kle...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 4. For long Brevets, bring enough clothing for all
> possible conditions. During the 2004 Last Chance
> 1200K Randonnee the temperature went from 105 in the
> afternoon to 39 at night. There was also heavy
> rains, hail and tornadoes as the riders passed from
> one weather extreme to the other.
> Ken Knutson
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Last yeat I thought maybe I went overboard when I put my fondu kit in my bag. You never know when you need some melted cheese.
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I always bring my portable espresso maker. Seriously though, watch the weather forecast and bring one more layer than you think you will need during the coldest part of the ride.
Pat
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> Timothy Bartoe wrote:
> This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few
> brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding
> with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would
> consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be.
>
> I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be
> bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg
> warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my
> headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike
> being in top shape at the ride start.
>
> Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra
> cables for the derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before
> so I can't see a need for that last one.
Does a pump go without saying? or were you planning on omitting it to
save weight?
Also, you might want to consider adding a patch kit (very light weight,
and you're not toast if you get 2 flats).
And how much liquid were you planning on carrying? How much have you
gone through in the past, with the camel back?
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<DIV>Last yeat I thought maybe I went overboard when I put my fondu kit in my bag. You never know when you need some melted cheese. <BR><BR><B><I>bike2wo...@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>> Timothy Bartoe wrote:<BR>> This will be my 5 or 6th year of brevet riding. I've done a few <BR>> brevet's packed to the hilt but lately I've been leaning toward riding <BR>> with a smaller bag and no camel back. I'm curious what one would <BR>> consider the least amount to carry on a brevet would be. <BR>> <BR>> I'm thinking in my bag, 2 tubes, a multi tool and a patch kit would be <BR>> bare bones leaving of course enough room for cloths (arm warmers, leg <BR>> warmers, rain or wind shell) money spare batteries, bulbs for my <BR>> headlight and some extra food. This of course would be with the bike <BR>> being in top shape at the ride start.<BR>> <BR>> Is there something else I should consider? A fiber spoke, or extra <BR>> cables for the
derailleurs or brakes? I've never broke a cable before <BR>> so I can't see a need for that last one.<BR><BR><BR>Does a pump go without saying? or were you planning on omitting it to <BR>save weight?<BR><BR>Also, you might want to consider adding a patch kit (very light weight, <BR>and you're not toast if you get 2 flats).<BR><BR>And how much liquid were you planning on carrying? How much have you <BR>gone through in the past, with the camel back?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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from a yard sale and carried it on his rack all the way home. I wasn't a
witness to this event, but it's become quite legendary.
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For tornadoes, carry a pair of magic slippers and a dog named Toto. Ride close, but not too close to the Tin Man. Tornadoes are usually accompanied by thunderstorms and the Tin Man can protect you by being a good lightening rod.
I had a local Kansan tell me I should take shelter in a culvert. I didn't see any, so I guess the appropriate item to take with is a culvert. Not only is it good for tornadoes, but will provide protection from hail.
I haven't found one that will fit in my Caradice bag yet.
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> > 4. For long Brevets, bring enough clothing for all
> > possible conditions. During the 2004 Last Chance
> > 1200K Randonnee the temperature went from 105 in the
> > afternoon to 39 at night. There was also heavy
> > rains, hail and tornadoes as the riders passed from
> > one weather extreme to the other.
> > Ken Knutson
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<DIV>For tornadoes, carry a pair of magic slippers and a dog named Toto. Ride close, but not too close to the Tin Man. Tornadoes are usually accompanied by thunderstorms and the Tin Man can protect you by being a good lightening rod. </DIV>
<DIV>I had a local Kansan tell me I should take shelter in a culvert. I didn't see any, so I guess the appropriate item to take with is a culvert. Not only is it good for tornadoes, but will provide protection from hail. </DIV>
<DIV>I haven't found one that will fit in my Caradice bag yet.</DIV>
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erb ose
I guess that I will have to change my dog's name,
carry extra water bottles and energy bars, and start
taking steroids to handle the extra weight.
HR
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> > For tornadoes, carry a pair of magic slippers and
a
> dog named Toto. Ride close, but not too close to
> the Tin Man. Tornadoes are usually accompanied by
> thunderstorms and the Tin Man can protect you by
> being a good lightening rod.
> I had a local Kansan tell me I should take shelter
> in a culvert. I didn't see any, so I guess the
> appropriate item to take with is a culvert. Not
> only is it good for tornadoes, but will provide
> protection from hail.
> I haven't found one that will fit in my Caradice bag
> yet.
> Ken Knutson
>
> > >