Which GPS for 2022 brevets

[David Lafferty]

Greetings,

Which cyber monday approaching, I'm thinking about gear for 2022. My Garmin Edge 800 is celebrating its 10th birthday, and it's really past its prime. I'm after a new solution for brevet navigation. I'm leaning toward a Hammerhead Karoo 2 or a Wahoo Elmnt Bolt V2, but would love to hear yea or nay from folks who've relied on GPS for navigation on long rides recently. I occasionally use a Hammerhead Karoo (first edition), which is pretty nice, but it doesn't meet my whole wishlist.

For my purposes, I would like (1) navigate a pre-mapped route; (2) pair with iPhone for incoming text messages or phone call notifications; (3) pair with iPhone for uploading rides; (4) pair with ANT+ power meter; (5) some kind of point-to-point routing that can be started mid-ride.

Thanks in advance,

David

[Ryan Good]

If you are open to the idea of a watch, my Garmin Fenix 6x Pro does all those things and a whole lot more. 

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[Ted Shwartz]

I give +1 to the Garmin 1030, or the 1030 plus

Here is why

1) the longest battery life on brevets of all units

2) the best design for a supplemental battery

3) a well engineered USB connection for charging from an external USB battery while riding

4) good mapping and navigation that is not reliant on cell service and data plan

Both units will fit your bill of needs

There is always a learning curve on new units….

Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul

All the best,

Ted Shwartz

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[Roger Peskett]

HAMMERHEAD KAROO 2. When trialling this head unit, I found that custom cues from a loaded RWGPS route were not shown. (Custom cues include cues added for Controls, water sources, etc that a brevet organizer or you might want to see.) Only standard TbT cues are shown, which did not provide me with all the cue information I'd like to see on-screen while riding. So, I gave up on the Karoo 2.

[Bill Gobie]

For a Wahoo device I'd recommend the Roam for its larger, more legible color screen.

Bill

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[George Swain]

Hi David,

I am a huge fan of the Wahoo Bolt V1 that I have been using for several years and hear that the V2 is even better. I think it will do all you are looking for, but you may need the "Roam" version to navigate point-to-point mid-ride. 

Happy hunting,

George

[Devin Quince]

I see all these super high end models, but what about something like this instead https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps?

Also, what about using a smartphone mounted to your bars/stem and app like RWPGS to upload the route file to?

Thanks

-Devin Quince

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[Bill Gobie]

"what about using a smartphone mounted to your bars/stem and app like RWPGS to upload the route file to?"

The Ride with GPS phone app is very good. A phone's big screen makes for great legibility. Voice navigation can be very helpful (the app reads the instructions). At the minimum you need a $50/annually RwGPS account. This is a cheap way to get started with gps navigation. The negatives are significant: A phone uses a lot of power compared to a small dedicated bike gps. On a warm sunny day a phone can overheat and shut down. At night even with the screen brightness turned down the screen may ruin your night vision.

Bill

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[David Hilton]

I would look at the Fenix 6 deals. It's ~60% normal price. I personally use a 945, which is basically the same thing.

It can record GPS+HR for 36 hours (or 60h+ in battery saver GPS) and recharges in about 1.5h. 

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I don't know how navigation impacts the battery life, as I use a wahoo head unit for my navigation. On rides longer than 200k I do carry something to top it off while riding.

[Roger Peskett]

An addendum to my comment about the Hammerhead Karoo 2:

There is this discussion with Hammerhead Support on navigating with the Karoo....

https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/community/posts/360049113674-Displaying-Custom-Cues-added-to-RWGPS

In summary, the Karoo 2 provides only standard Turn-by-Turn cues generated for the Karoo and will not, currently at least, show the richer cue information that can be included in a RWGPS route file. POIs will be displayed on the Karoo's map however.

[Greg]

I’ve been using the Karoo for about four years or so, and am switching to a Karoo 2. I wouldn’t have generally bothered, but the trade-in credit increased the value [benefit/cost] of the new purchase for me.

It’s not for everyone, but it’s a winner for me. I find that it generally has the best parts (or at least the aspects I like) of both a smartphone and of a bike computer.

One tiny (but awesome!) feature is the marking of public restrooms & water sources on its standard maps. Came in super-handy during PBP, pinpointing clean, empty, on-course public restrooms in small villages!

-Greg

[Greg]

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 11:40:08 AM UTC-8 Devin Quince wrote:

I see all these super high end models, but what about something like this instead https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps?

I have a Lezyne Mega XL. It is everything that my (beloved) Karoo is not, but in a GOOD way. Small, charge lasts for a 600k, and it does all the things (maps/nav/sensors).

I’m sure some folks would hate it, but it has its niche. How do they fit all of that functionality into such a teeny, tiny little thing?

-Greg