1. What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber road
bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum urban bike
(Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I'm thinking of buying a touring
bike, but to be honest, I'm not into the whole loaded down pannier-thing.
2. I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do you
carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry
it-panniers, trunk rack? I'm kind of a minimalist, I like traveling light,
but is that possible?
3. What do you recommend for a lighting system?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Lloyd in Florida (riding all year long)
Citeren Lloyd Lemons <ldle...@comcast.net>:
> 1. What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber road
> bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum urban bike
> (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I'm thinking of buying a touring
> bike, but to be honest, I'm not into the whole loaded down pannier-thing.
> 2. I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do you
> carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry
> it-panniers, trunk rack? I'm kind of a minimalist, I like traveling light,
> but is that possible?
> 3. What do you recommend for a lighting system?
>
All the important questions at once ;)
1) I personally prefer a typical audax bike, so a very light touring bike. A
pure racer is IMHO less attractive for PBP as a classic tourer. Your best
option might be adapting your urban bike, 700x28 is nearly ideal for PBP.
2) For me a rackpack and barbeg is enough. 1 spare set of clothing,
waterproofs, some food, some tools and (very important for me) photo-equipment
I can carry using both.
3) Schmidt with 2 halogen lights at front, several LED lights at the back.
Ivo
1) I use a steel Co-motion racing frame, with couplers for traveling and find it very comfortable, so far on three 1200km events, including PBP in 2003, many brevet rides, as well as several long PAC Tours, in addition to everyday riding.
2) I also follow a minimalist approach and have never used a rack, but instead found the largest saddle bag possible, which is a Jandd Mountain Wedge, extra-large size, I think. It has an expansion feature, which I fully utilize only on very long events. In addition, I carry additional gear in small compartments in my Camelbak and small items in a Bento Box-type container, which sits on the top tube, just behind the headset. Although the spirit of Randonneuring is self-supporting, I would point out that on most events there is some level of support. RUSA offers 3 bag drops at PBP and most local 600k events also provide a driver who takes overnight bags to a pre-arranged hotel along the route, often around the 400k point. I'm able to carry tools, tubes, chamois creme, first aid, wallet, rain jacket/booties/helmet cover, solid food, energy drink powder, electrolyte tablets, telephone, brevet card, and cleat covers.
3) I've never had any trouble with the Schmidt hub generator system, with a single standard E6 light as my primary and an LED Cateye as backup. Also, two rear non-flashing lights.
Good luck!
Charles Breer
St Paul, MN
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From: Lloyd Lemons <ldle...@comcast.net>
Not only am I new to this list, but I知 not a randonneur遥et傭ut I知 very interested. I知 joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum urban bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I知 thinking of buying a touring bike, but to be honest, I知 not into the whole loaded down pannier-thing.
I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do you carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry it用anniers, trunk rack? I知 kind of a minimalist, I like traveling light, but is that possible?
What do you recommend for a lighting system?
Thanks in advance for your help.
First, if you're only just "interested", you may want to make do with
what you already have before you start spending a lot of money.
Especially for the early / shorter rides of a Brevet Series (200, 300 &
400k rides). Once you have some experience and are sure you want to
expand into the sport, then I think it would be wise to invest in
equipment more specific to the long distance touring rides that we do
such as a new bike and lighting system. Here are some specific ideas:
I would use your Carbon Fiber road bike. You will appreciate the light
weight and speed you will be able to maintain due to the weight and
aerodynamics (especially on the 200 & 300k). You can add aero bars or
a different stem to rise your handlebar height which may make things
easier on your back & wrists as the rides get longer. A large saddle
bag and possibly a handle bar bag should be sufficient to carry tools
and other supplies. If you need to carry more you still may be able to
add a rear rack. There are clamp on models that either clamp on with a
quick release or allen bolts, to the seat post. If your seat post is
carbon fiber you may want to switch to one that is made of a more
durable material. While you're at it, you might even want to add an
aluminum suspension seat post. There are also more conventional racks
that you use with clamps to the seat post and the chain stays. These
can carry more weight including panniers if you need them. 600k's can
really split the group. Some may ride through the night while others
will stop and sleep. Obviously if you stop and sleep, you will likely
need to carry more stuff - unless your ride organizer offers a bag drop.
If you don't have that service it may be difficult for you to carry all
the things that can make your ride more comfortable - like an extra pair
of shorts or 2).
For lights, I am not sure what you have now, you may be able to get by
with what you got. Again the longer rides is where it makes a bigger
difference. Depending on how fast you go and how long you will be in
the dark may determine your needs. the faster you go, the brighter light
needed. Cateye EL 500's offer replaceable batteries that can be used
all night - huge advantage with these is that you can stop at any store
and pick up AA batteries. Downside - the amount of light is poor. I
used 2 of them with an LED for all night rides and still the light was
relatively poor. If you are committed and sure that this is what you
want to do, the way to go is with Hub generated lights. Better,
brighter light & no batteries needed. Downside - huge cost. Still
for shorter brevets where I won't spend too much time in the dark - I
love HID's. Super bright, but only up to 4+ hours with a single
battery. I have heard of riders doing PBP with these and having a spouse
support them with fresh batteries along the way. Considering cost of
these batteries and the relatively slow speed of the longer brevets, I
don't that is the way to go. Also, I'd feel like I cheated as I got
"support".
As you can tell the options are endless. Traveling light has it's
advantages, but with experience you may find that it is better to be
prepared. Having the right clothes, nutrition, tools, etc. will only
increase your chances of successfully and comfortably completing all of
rides.
Paul
Apopka, FL
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To: ran...@topica.com
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Not only am I new to this list, but I'm not a randonneur-yet-but I'm
very interested. I'm joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
1. What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber
road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum
urban bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I'm thinking of
buying a touring bike, but to be honest, I'm not into the whole loaded
down pannier-thing.
2. I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do
you carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry
it-panniers, trunk rack? I'm kind of a minimalist, I like traveling
light, but is that possible?
3. What do you recommend for a lighting system?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Lloyd in Florida (riding all year long)
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I've got nothing against fully-loaded touring (in fact, heading out for
a weekend bike-packing trip tomorrow), but Randonneuring is not that.
There's no need to carry a tent, sleeping bag, pillow, etc. so you
usually will not see folks carrying more than 1 pannier on a brevet
(Though I think Joel Metz did PBP-2003 on his messengering 3-speed and
did carry at least a bivvy-bag if not a tent).
You'll see all manner of bies on brevets--ride whatever you're
comfortable for 400+ miles on. Lights: Schmidt hubs inspire a religious
devotion. I use a Union BottomBracket generator and have no complaints.
Bags: I've tried a Carradice bug, but prefer a single pannier (yes,
with a rack, no the imbalance doesn't create a noticable problem.)
Carry at least: a few tubes, patch-kit, tire-boot, pump, basic tools, a
hand-held (or helmet-mounted) light for reading maps or doing repairs at
night, rain-gear, wallet, chain-tool, spoke-wrench, rim--tape, zip-ties,
reflective sash, extra glasses.
Oh yeah, and a corkscrew.
Lloyd Lemons wrote:
> Not only am I new to this list, but I'm not a randonneur-yet-but I'm
> very
> interested. I'm joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
-Adrian Hands http://cycling.ahands.org/
Raleigh NC USA
Citeren PAUL HARRIS <pha...@narisk.com>:
> I would use your Carbon Fiber road bike. You will appreciate the light
> weight and speed you will be able to maintain due to the weight and
> aerodynamics (especially on the 200 & 300k). You can add aero bars or
> a different stem to rise your handlebar height which may make things
> easier on your back & wrists as the rides get longer.
Adding an aero bar is a not a good idea if you wish to do PBP. Due to current
traffic rules in France aero bars are not permitted during PBP. So it's wise
to train without them.
Ivo
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This year I rode a 200, 300, 400 and 600K on a CF Trek5000. Between
my Camelbak and Carridace Barley bag, I was able to carry everything
I needed for each ride. I suggest you use the bike that you are most
comfortable on.
On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Lloyd Lemons wrote:
> Not only am I new to this list, but I’m not a randonneur—yet—but
> I’m very interested. I’m joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
>
> What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber
> road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum
> urban bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I’m thinking of
> buying a touring bike, but to be honest, I’m not into the whole
> loaded down pannier-thing.
> I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do you
> carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry it
> —panniers, trunk rack? I’m kind of a minimalist, I like traveling
> light, but is that possible?
> What do you recommend for a lighting system?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>
> Lloyd in Florida (riding all year long)
>
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On 9/21/06, Tom Marchand <m0rc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> This year I rode a 200, 300, 400 and 600K on a CF Trek5000. Between my
> Camelbak and Carridace Barley bag, I was able to carry everything I needed
> for each ride. I suggest you use the bike that you are most comfortable on.
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Lloyd Lemons wrote:
>
> Not only am I new to this list, but I'm not a randonneur遥et傭ut I'm very
> interested. I'm joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
>
> 1. What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber
> road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum urban
> bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I'm thinking of buying a
> touring bike, but to be honest, I'm not into the whole loaded down
> pannier-thing.
> 2. I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do
> you carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry
> it用anniers, trunk rack? I'm kind of a minimalist, I like traveling light,
> but is that possible?
> 3. What do you recommend for a lighting system?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>
>
> * Lloyd in Florida (riding all year long)*
>
>
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Albert wrote:
> I rode the series on a Cannondale r3000 with a carbon fork. On some
> rides I had a rear rack(it hooks into the rear wheel skewer as I
> have no braze-ons either) and bag, on others I had a camelback.
> I echo Tom's comments, pick the most reliable bike that you are most
> comfortable on. Also, observe what works for the other riders, there
> are many ways to solve the problems we face.
>
> Albert
>
>
> On 9/21/06, *Tom Marchand* <m0rc...@comcast.net
> <mailto:m0rc...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> This year I rode a 200, 300, 400 and 600K on a CF Trek5000.
> Between my Camelbak and Carridace Barley bag, I was able to carry
> everything I needed for each ride. I suggest you use the bike
> that you are most comfortable on.
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Lloyd Lemons wrote:
>
>> Not only am I new to this list, but I'm not a
>> randonneur--yet--but I'm very interested. I'm joining RUSA, but I
>> have a few questions.
>>
>> 1. What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon
>> fiber road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also
>> have an aluminum urban bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with
>> 700x28 tires. I'm thinking of buying a touring bike, but to
>> be honest, I'm not into the whole loaded down pannier-thing.
>> 2. I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much
>> stuff do you carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride,
>> and how do you carry it--panniers, trunk rack? I'm kind of
>> a minimalist, I like traveling light, but is that possible?
>> 3. What do you recommend for a lighting system?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ** Lloyd in Florida (riding all year long)**
>>
>>
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Lloyd Lemons <ldle...@comcast.net> wrote:
Not only am I new to this list, but I’m not a randonneur—yet—but I’m very interested. I’m joining RUSA, but I have a few questions.
What kind of bike do you folks recommend? I have a carbon fiber road bike that lacks any type of braze-ons. I also have an aluminum urban bike (Cannondale Bad Boy) with 700x28 tires. I’m thinking of buying a touring bike, but to be honest, I’m not into the whole loaded down pannier-thing.
I understand the self-supporting feature, but how much stuff do you carry with you for say a 600K or 1000K ride, and how do you carry it—panniers, trunk rack? I’m kind of a minimalist, I like traveling light, but is that possible?
What do you recommend for a lighting system?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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I did the whole rando brevet series, including the cascade 1200k, on a
Litespeed Ultimate. All my stuff fit into a Carradice Cadet bag, plus I
also use a bento box for snacks and a camelbak for extra fluids. I use
the sks race blade clip on fenders when it's wet. I like these since you
can still wipe your tires off if you run over somthing suspect. Try that
with full fenders! For night, I like the Princeton tec 8-led Corona as
my main light and their Eos headlamp as the back up. It's really quite
bright, and I've ridden side-by-side with the Schmidt hubpowered E-6
lights and mine is just as good at a fraction of the cost. You can buy a
lot of batteries for $600! I did the 1200k using only one set of very
light lithium batteries for the night riding. So, just about any bike
can work. Just be sure your hands, feet, and seat are all comfortable.
Good luck!