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When modern-day European and Asian emigrants headed to North America, so did the evil-eye tradition. For many, it was an effort to adapt to a new and strange homeland; the rituals associated with the evil eye, some scholars believe, were less about reprieve and more about preserving culture for newcomers in their Anglo-saturated homes.
Duration is arguably different. If the witch is willing to stagger himself he can keep the evil eye going forever. On the other hand, taking the Memorable trait makes it easy to get shaken stuck for three rounds. That covers a huge chunk of the average fight.
Round 1: Evil Eye someone's saving throws. If they fail, it's a long duration debuff. If they pass, they still have the debuff, meaning it doesn't actually matter how high their saves are. This is an excellent debuff that enables both your spells and everyone else's in the party to work better.
Round 2: If they passed the save against Evil Eye, Cackle to maintain it for another round with a move action. Either way, use Misfortune on them, which they are less likely to pass due to Evil Eye's influence.
I'll point out real quick - that % is wrong. It's way more than a 10% drop in their accuracy.If a foe hits 50% of the time, giving them a -2 drops it to 40%, giving them a 20% accuracy penalty, plus the penalty to saves.
But yes, generally it's not worth using without some ability to make it more efficient. Though there are exceptions, such as against a flying foe when you have crappy ranged attacks (and others in your party at good at it).
But yes, as TriOmegaZero points out, it's the cackle which makes Evil Eye a solid option, making it basically work 100% of the time for the rest of the fight. The 10% value is correct. When they roll, there is a 10% chance that your contribution was relavent. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Charon's Little Helper Jun 28, 2016, 11:23 am QuidEst wrote:The 10% value is correct. When they roll, there is a 10% chance that your contribution was relavent. Okay - then when you swing your sword you're only about a 50% contributor. (depending upon your accuracy, their AC, and their DR) From the context, it seemed to mean as a comparison to other uses of your time.It also goes up over 10% if roll more than 1 die the next turn on attack rolls and/or saves.
If a foe hits 50% of the time, giving them a -2 drops it to 40%, giving them a 20% accuracy penalty, plus the penalty to saves.Quid Est is correct. It would take away 20% of their hits, yes, but you're ignoring all of the times when they would miss anyway and you wasted your action for nothing.In other words, after using evil eye, there are three possibilities:
40% chance: they roll high enough to hit you, evil eye or no
10% chance: they miss because of the evil eye
50% chance: they roll low enough to miss you, evil eye or no
mourge40k wrote:Round 2: If they passed the save against Evil Eye, Cackle to maintain it for another round with a move action. Either way, use Misfortune on them, which they are less likely to pass due to Evil Eye's influence.
Round 3: Cackle if necessary. Hit the incredibly debuffed opponent with Slumber if they're still standing.Honestly, I have never understood this sort of strategy. Using misfortune for the sole purpose of weakening an opponent for a later slumber hex makes no sense, because the misfortune has exactly the same chance of success as a slumber would. It would be much more effective to just slumber them immediately: if your misfortune succeeds, yeah, they're weakened, but if your slumber succeeds then they're out of the fight. On a success you're choosing between the effects misfortune and slumber, and on a failure it doesn't matter which you used. Assuming no immunities or the like, why on earth wouldn't you just use the hex that is clearly more powerful?
For saves I agree with you, but the enemy full-attacking won't change the probabilities in a meaningful way. Yes, each attack has a chance to miss because of the evil eye, but each miss then negates a proportionally smaller amount of their damage potential. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Berinor Jun 28, 2016, 11:52 am 1 person marked this as a favorite. Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber Avoron - it makes it so they need to save 2 out of 3 in order to avoid slumber instead of 1 out of 1. Those odds will be worse in most cases. Of course, the advantage is mitigated by allowing them another round of actions before you put them down, but from a gameplay perspective (rather than tactical optimization) I'd call that a win since it gives the GM more time to enjoy running their monster.
Yes, it improves your chances of eventually succeeding on a slumber hex by a small amount. Specifically, it increases the target's chance of eventually failing their save by p(fail)[p(succeed) - p(succeed)2]. In the best possible circumstance, that changes a 50% chance of your hex working to a 67.5% chance. And as your hexes become more effective, the influence of misfortune becomes smaller and smaller. It really, really isn't worth taking a hex and wasting an entire turn just for the sake of pulling off that "1-2-3 combo" that seems to be held in inexplicably high regard.And now you're just getting silly. If a combat ends quickly, that just means you can move on to other fun and interesting things. And if you seriously don't want to take away the GM's fun by killing their monster too soon, then I would suggest doing something other than targeting them with hexes for three rounds straight. Something like casting a spell. Witches still have spells, right?
Slumber and Misfortune might whiff, and when it does, the creature is immune to those hexes for 24 hours. Non-cantrip spells are obviously a limited resource. In mid-late game (levels 8+), when the resource pool of spells becomes a lot bigger for a Witch is also when Evil Eye gets better, so Evil Eye is still a valid option during some battles. Evil eye is not a limited resource. No matter how often an opponent saves, a Witch can always keep spamming Evil Eye. The comparison point of Evil Eye should not be limited-use non-hex resources like spells. There are two comparison points of Evil Eye:
1) Hexes: Comparing different options during Level up.
2) Non-limited resources such as Cantrips and the Intimidate skill: Comparing different infinite-use actions during Combat.
Edit for clarification: I'm in no way saying that Evil Eye is the best action possible during Combat. There are so many Combat situations where Evil Eye is simply not good enough. Those situations are when a Witch should start using limited-resources such as spells. Evil Eye lets a Witch choose a 'good enough' option during combat without using limited-resources.
Yes, it improves your chances of eventually succeeding on a slumber hex by a small amount. Specifically, it increases the target's chance of eventually failing their save by p(fail)[p(succeed) - p(succeed)2]. In the best possible circumstance, that changes a 50% chance of your hex working to a 67.5% chance. And as your hexes become more effective, the influence of misfortune becomes smaller and smaller. It really, really isn't worth taking a hex and wasting an entire turn just for the sake of pulling off that "1-2-3 combo" that seems to be held in inexplicably high regard.
And now you're just getting silly. If a combat ends quickly, that just means you can move on to other fun and interesting things. And if you seriously don't want to take away the GM's fun by killing their monster too soon, then I would suggest doing something other than targeting them with hexes for three rounds straight. Something like casting a spell. Witches still have spells, right? I was offering an explanation that it's not exactly the same because your earlier post didn't seem to take that nuance into consideration. Whether going from 1/2 to 2/3 is worth the extra rounds and using up another hex selection is a judgment call.And trimming a 10 round combat to a 5 round one is probably a case of moving on to other fun and interesting things. Going from 1 round to 3 rounds is letting this fun and interesting thing develop rather than being ended just as it begins. If the player enjoys throwing out hexes and saving spells, more power to him/her. If the GM spends a long time putting the NPC together in case of a successful slumber hex, it can feel like a waste if they get knocked unconscious before their turn comes up in initiative.
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