Rainbow and The Poor People's Campaign: A case for Solar?
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Philip Rhoads
Jun 1, 2018, 7:15:25 PM6/1/18
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Friends, as I reflect on our outpouring of support for sending money to the PPC, I decided to test my current obsession with climate change and see if there is any hierarchy in the goals of PPC in relation to us at Rainbow. I have chosen to rate each of the five main goals of the PPC in a very simplistic way:
- Can we at Rainbow directly take action to accomplish the goal ourselves, or
- Must we at Rainbow merely take indirect action by working with others to achieve long-term change?
I admit up front, that I am obsessed with idea of Rainbow transitioning away from fossil fuels and to sustainable energy usage. Partly this is because my daughter, Heather, in Seattle, has made sustainable energy and economic development her career choice, and partly because my home is not well situated for optimal wind or solar conversion, and partly because the personal consumption of energy by each of us is comparably much less than our church building’s consumption.
So, here I have attached below my thoughts about PPC and Rainbow. Your thoughtful comments would be greatly appreciated.
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Philip
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Dakotahgeo 44
Jun 1, 2018, 10:55:41 PM6/1/18
to Phil and marsha Rhoads
Well, well done piece of articulate work, Phil! Especially in the use of solar panels! We need to visit soon on this!. Than you for your call also! George Melby
"When we lose one blessing, another is often most unexpectedly given in its place."—C.S. Lewis
“The darker the night,
the brighter the stars,
The deeper the grief,
the closer is God!”
~Fyodor Dostoyevsky~
Music and Jesus is my escape,
from the BS in life.
Holding on is believing that
there's a past;
letting
go is knowing that there's a future."
~Daphne
Rose Kingma~
"When we lose one blessing, another is often most unexpectedly given in its place."—C.S. Lewis
“The darker the night,
the brighter the stars,
The deeper the grief,
the closer is God!”
~Fyodor Dostoyevsky~
Music and Jesus is my escape,
from the BS in life.
Holding on is believing that there's a past;
letting go is knowing that there's a future."
~Daphne Rose Kingma~
"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win."
~Mahatma Gandhi~
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Subject: Rainbow and The Poor People's Campaign: A case for Solar?
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Leroy Seat
Jun 2, 2018, 11:15:06 AM6/2/18
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Phil, thanks for calling this important matter to our attention again. The recent overwhelming support for the Poor People's Campai8gn doesn't mean we can't also think about what we can do to combat global warming. Now through September there will be special emphasis at RMC on the issue white privilege, and that, like the PPC, is an important topic. But perhaps after September we can begin working toward getting more discussion about, and perhaps even some action on, the climate issue. -- Leroy
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john mueller
Jun 2, 2018, 7:35:04 PM6/2/18
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On this topic I disagree with Phil, and agree somewhat with Leroy. My understanding of the history when Rainbow joined into the Sharing Community shows a much more active church body in this neighborhood. We still maintain the park, host the summer education program and the daycare, but the needs are as much now as they were then, if not more. How many of our members know more than two neighbors? How many of our members have visited in the nearby Baptist church, whose children are often in the park on Sundays? I believe that church building was the home of one of the groups that formed the Sharing Community. Are we "resting on our laurels"? At the end of the day (choose which one) do we go home and retreat or do we engage the needs of others?
Regarding Solar, the orientation of the church roof along with shading from the trees makes solar electric a very poor fit. We would do much better to heed the recommendations of the InfraRed scan done on the church about 3-4 years ago, in which specific locations with poor or missing insulation were identified. We need to do a good audit of the HVAC system also. A major expense is the humidification and it is likely that a better approach could be found.
--John Mueller
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On Sat, 6/2/18, Leroy Seat <lks...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Rainbow and The Poor People's Campaign: A case for Solar?
To: "P&J Committee" <rainbow-pe...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 2, 2018, 9:38 AM
Phil, thanks for
calling this important matter to our attention again. The
recent overwhelming support for the Poor People's
Campai8gn doesn't mean we can't also think about
what we can do to combat global warming. Now through
September there will be special emphasis at RMC on the issue
white privilege, and that, like the PPC, is an important
topic. But perhaps after September we can begin working
toward getting more discussion about, and perhaps even some
action on, the climate issue. -- Leroy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:15
PM, Philip Rhoads <phil....@gmail.com>
wrote:
Friends, as I reflect on our
outpouring of support for sending money to the PPC, I
decided to test my current obsession with climate change and
see if there is any hierarchy in the goals of PPC in
relation to us at Rainbow. I have chosen to rate each of the
five main goals of the PPC in a very simplistic
way:
Can
we at Rainbow directly take action to accomplish the goal
ourselves, orMust we at Rainbow merely take
To post to this group, send email to rainbow-pe...@googlegroups.com.
Regarding Solar, the orientation of the church roof along with shading from the trees makes solar electric a very poor fit. We would do much better to heed the recommendations of the InfraRed scan done on the church about 3-4 years ago, in which specific locations with poor or missing insulation were identified. We need to do a good audit of the HVAC system also. A major expense is the humidification and it is likely that a better approach could be found.
--John Mueller
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On Sat, 6/2/18, Leroy Seat <lks...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Rainbow and The Poor People's Campaign: A case for Solar?
To: "P&J Committee" <rainbow-pe...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 2, 2018, 9:38 AM
Phil, thanks for
calling this important matter to our attention again. The
recent overwhelming support for the Poor People's
Campai8gn doesn't mean we can't also think about
what we can do to combat global warming. Now through
September there will be special emphasis at RMC on the issue
white privilege, and that, like the PPC, is an important
topic. But perhaps after September we can begin working
toward getting more discussion about, and perhaps even some
action on, the climate issue. -- Leroy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:15
PM, Philip Rhoads <phil....@gmail.com>
wrote:
Friends, as I reflect on our
outpouring of support for sending money to the PPC, I
decided to test my current obsession with climate change and
see if there is any hierarchy in the goals of PPC in
relation to us at Rainbow. I have chosen to rate each of the
five main goals of the PPC in a very simplistic
way:
Can
we at Rainbow directly take action to accomplish the goal
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Leroy Seat, Ph.D
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429-5205
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Website: http://www.4-lministries.net/
Twitter: @LKSeat
Leroy Seat, Ph.D
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Liberty, MO 64068-3209
Tel.: (816)
429-5205
Blog: http://TheViewFromThisSeat.blogspot.com
E-mail: LKS...@gmail.com
Website: http://www.4-lministries.net/
Twitter: @LKSeat
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