Ship Telegram Preamble

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

I was listening to Malin Head Radio tonight and decided to copy the ship that had two pieces of traffic for EJM.

I was really puzzled by the header of the message.  I have never received a message with the COAST STATION given in the preamble except when there was a paid service indicator VIA MALINHEADRDO which I believe was payable at two words charge - but I don't think I ever saw that done even on passenger ships.

If the Master of the ship said "Sparks send this via Portishead Radio or via Tuckerton Radio - I'd just make a note to myself and send it to that station if we were within easy range or tell the old man that he'd have to wait until sunset or after dark if we were quite distant from the station.

But look at these two preambles from two consecutive messages copied by EJM R/O Finbar O'Connor on 31 December 1988 the official closing of EJM.  Of course we know that EJM made a surprise activation on 31 January 1999 - eleven years one month later.

Here are the preambles:

NR1 FM M/V INZHENER KREYLIS/UJGE MALINHEAD RADIO CK 10 31/1500 55 UTC = SU01 =
NR2 FM M/V INZHENER KREYLIS/UJGE MALINHEAD RADIO CK 10 31/1519 55 UTC = SU01 =

What is the 55 after the date time group of 31/1500?  I've never heard that either.

Have any of you guys either put in the station you were sending to in the preamble or copied such at a coast station?

73

DR

David Ring

[jack martini]

DR,

 

At KPH the coast station was inserted in the header by station opr just as the pmble addresses below ie. \

NR1  SS Mariposa/KFCP  SFRADIO/KPH VIA RCA CK 10 FEB 8 1600GMT US03

 

Matdock

Sanfrancisco 

 

etc etc. ...

 

I dunno what that 55 is unless it is the nr of msgs from that ship for the week or month. I remember seeing that as the first txt from some ships.

73

 

DM/Jack Martini ex/opr es mgr/KPH

 

 

 

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[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Hi Jack,

Always nice hearing from you.  At Tuckerton Radio / WSC we'd let the girls in the wire room do that - and when started having quasi-computers around 1978 or so it would be really easy!

I can't believe we used to punch yellow tape and empty chad boxes.

The preamble I copied was sent from the ship - I've never heard that before.

One of the things that was rare was hearing the operator's sine - it was before or after the check or group count of the message I can't remember which.

SVC 1 M/V SINKINGHOPE/WSLO DR 32/28 9 0521Z
MARTINI
KPH
=

DAVID KINTZER FROM RCA NYK COMING TO LUNCH TO DISCUSS NEW DIPOLE ARRAY STOP RGDS = GORDON WHITE

How about on the East Coast?  Anyone at WMH or WCC make a comment?

73
David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA
SOWP, VWOA, OOTC, FISTS, CW-Ops, JARL-A1, A1-OP, ex-FOC 1271 ARRL-LM

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[VA7OTC JD Erskine]

On 08/Feb/11 16:58, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> I was listening to Malin Head Radio tonight and decided to copy the ship
> that had two pieces of traffic for EJM.
>
> I was really puzzled by the header of the message. I have never
> received a message with the COAST STATION given in the preamble except
> when there was a paid service indicator VIA MALINHEADRDO which I believe
> was payable at two words charge - but I don't think I ever saw that done
> even on passenger ships.

snip

> But look at these two preambles from two consecutive messages copied by
> EJM R/O Finbar O'Connor on 31 December 1988 the official closing of
> EJM. Of course we know that EJM made a surprise activation on 31
> January 1999 - eleven years one month later.
>
> Here are the preambles:
>
> NR1 FM M/V INZHENER KREYLIS/UJGE MALINHEAD RADIO CK 10 31/1500 55 UTC =
> SU01 =
> NR2 FM M/V INZHENER KREYLIS/UJGE MALINHEAD RADIO CK 10 31/1519 55 UTC =
> SU01 =

Hullo David,

I'm mildly confused as two sets of msgs/preambles are mentioned. One you
wrote that you listened to and Finbar's.

Given these are the ones Finbar copied it may be that the reason for
this format is that it is not _via_ but _to_ Malin Head Radio
(MALINHEAD). It may be less a preamble and more a message itself, RADIO
CK (?).

Of potential interest, the call sign of UJGE appears to have been
reassigned, or perhaps retired. At
http://www.itu.int/online/mms/mars/ship_search.sh I did a search for
Inzhener Kreylis with no results (nor for Inzenieris Kreilis which
turned up as a possible newer name for it at some point). Shortening the
search term to the first of the names returned 14 hits from Eastern
Europe. UJGE in the call sign field doesn't return anything.

Similar results at
http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/VesselArchive/All/All.html?search=INZHENER

That enthusiast site also lists UJGE against Strella Eternaq, though
this doesn't seem to turn up on it's own anywhere.
http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Ships/Strella-Eternaq-531969348.html

Ships Old and New http://www.shipsoldandnew.fotopic.net/
which hurt my eyes in both Firefox & Opera, however behaved a bit better
in the latter, doesn't return anything itself, however a page/file at
it's site was turned up in a search on http://duckduckgo.com/

http://www.shipsoldandnew.fotopic.net/descfile.php?id=1354408

This would appear to have been a directory matching image files with
Latin text data. Here is where a renaming appeared to be of
Inzhener Kreylis to Inzenieris Kreilis. Similar implication at
http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/inzeneris_kreylis_1975.htm

Ah, "scrapped Aliaga 2002".

73, John

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Hello and good morning John,

No, it's isn't the address - those were the preambles of the messages.

The messages themselves are still protected by the secrecy provisions of International law so are not disclosed.

Curious, curious, curious.  Perhaps he knew he was going to be the last message ever handled by EJM and is enjoying this mystery.

It has been eleven years now since most of the beautiful music has been gone on 500 kHz - except for Asia - both near and far East.

At least if there is going to be "smoke free" zones in the Egypt protests, the middle east could at least come out with some music from SUP, and others once more again on this anniversary.

73

DR

[jack martini]

DR,

 

Right you are. Should hv designated that the tlx oprs punched in the cs and via rca when we copied qtcs on msg blanks. Later, when the MIC20s and/or the messaging computers were installed, eliminating the need for manual repunching,  an F function key inserted that info. As a side note, the tlx opr/clerks then became Marine Telex Oprs who manned the sitor and ATOR circuits until the station closed.

 

73

DM

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From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1...@arrl.net>

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Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 9:26:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Radio Officers, &c] Ship Telegram Preamble

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Hello Jack,

Thanks for the answer.  This list was created so that we could help preserve our history.  The message archive is public so people can search for answers, while the group membership is restricted to those who could provide such history.

I'm sure that this is before your time, or perhaps even incorrect, but I remember at one time looking at the FCC records for KPH and seeing an additional MF frequency being assigned:

Look at KPH here:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseFreqSum.jsp?licKey=1969007

126.15 kHz
143.00
147.85

426 kHz
455 kHz
460 kHz

500 kHz

I remember hearing someone tell me that 455 kHz was used for RCA to RCA coast station use.

Can you tell us anything about the 3 MHz assignments and the 455 kHz assignment and use and perhaps the last use year of 143 kHz band?

I'd like to find the range of 143 as it was a good frequency.

73

[jack martini]

DR,

Remember something about using 455kHZ, but don't remember 3 megs or 143kHz.  Came to KPH in Dec. of 1961 after spending 2 years at RCA CRO in SFO. We were using 2045 and 4247 at that time.  Asking Ray Smith about the other freqs. RC came to KPH in 1959, and stood many watches with Arnold Hansen, Bill Meloney, and Earle Foster (ex-KJEH) who all  helped reopen the station in 1946 working for Frank Geisel. He may have picked up freq info from them. Reverting.

73

dm

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Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 4:15:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Radio Officers, &c] Ship Telegram Preamble

[Ron Farris]

At WCC,  we  (the R/O)  typed in "CHATHAMRADIO VIARCA"  between the QRA and CK  as we were copying the qtc.  The wire dept would not add it in
if the R/O didn't have it typed on the message blank.  Like KPH, once we got the data terminals, it was inserted with an "F" key.
 
 

73's RF


 

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