REDlistserve] Digest for radical_ecological_democracy@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 4 topics
Charles Fuller III
To: the "Govern as if..."
or
the "Ariel Salleh post"
I call it eurocentric' AND 'ego-centric' ('I am the center of the universe'). Something
that evolved in a smaller part of the world ("The Enlightenment"). Well, one could
say it had roots in Rome/Athens earlier (not even the wider surrounding culture).
Reductionist, isolationist, non-systemic - the mind set was spread through militarism,
domination, territorial gain. Yes there are some useful outcomes (western medicine, the
scientific method) but even the positive outcomes do not prove wholly worthwhile
(capitalism, consumerism, constant growth rather than 'one with'). Today we are
realizing these modalities of living crumble. Avoiding hierarchical social structures,
acting form abundance consciousness, dropping our attributed shame, collaboration not
competition, taking (American Indigenous saying) "Till the 7th Generation" (paraphrase)
outlooks outpace 'science will save us' ideas to allow us to continue living in this paradise.
On Feb 6, 2026, at 6:36 PM, radical_ecolog...@googlegroups.com wrote:
- Governance as if the earth mattered - 2 Updates
mp <m...@aktivix.org>: Feb 06 11:26AM +0100
Fine writing - here for instance:
"----This is primarily because as a formal legal approach, RoN is still
appealing to or giving central importance to the State, an institution
that inescapably separates “humans” from “nature” and “individual” from
“community”. In this framework, a community that involves
more-than-humans is unthinkable. RoN in such a case emerges as an
interface that enables such a system to only partially recognise the
inseparability of humans and rivers, mountains, and the rest of nature,
and the entanglements amongst them..."
--- though, -- it would be nice to go a little further:
It is not "just" an "interface"...
- rights (property, human etc.) and the often associated need for expert
representation in practice - i.e. exercising a given "right" - is also
the way the state and its cosmovision extends into, names, defines,
price stamps, taxes, and thus controls subjects and objects.
With rights come obligations and those obligations rest on subjugation
and obedience vis-a-vis the monopoly of power.
..............
On 05/02/2026 20:01, Ariel Salleh wrote:Ariel Salleh <ariels...@gmail.com>: Feb 06 09:25AM -0300
Yes mp, this is absolutely true.
A 'rights of nature’ approach must rely on the state - which is always a patriarchal institution.
A parallel can be drawn with ‘liberal feminism’ which simply seeks to create equal 'rights for women' alongside men.
And as you say - the above moves still rest on subjugation and obedience vis-a-vis the monopoly of power.
But let’s take this a little further -
Every time we rely on IT as instrument of our political change - such as in this very conversation -
we dig ourselves deeper into the growing powers of the global electronic mega-state.
How will we deal with this very material contradiction?
Ariel
On 6 Feb 2026, at 07:26, mp <m...@aktivix.org> wrote:
Fine writing - here for instance:
"----This is primarily because as a formal legal approach, RoN is still appealing to or giving central importance to the State, an institution that inescapably separates “humans” from “nature” and “individual” from “community”. In this framework, a community that involves more-than-humans is unthinkable. RoN in such a case emerges as an interface that enables such a system to only partially recognise the inseparability of humans and rivers, mountains, and the rest of nature, and the entanglements amongst them..."
--- though, -- it would be nice to go a little further:
It is not "just" an "interface"...
- rights (property, human etc.) and the often associated need for expert representation in practice - i.e. exercising a given "right" - is also the way the state and its cosmovision extends into, names, defines, price stamps, taxes, and thus controls subjects and objects.
With rights come obligations and those obligations rest on subjugation and obedience vis-a-vis the monopoly of power.
..............
On 05/02/2026 20:01, Ariel Salleh wrote:
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