cancer in rabbits
Wendy
cancer? Peter has cancer and lost his front leg. He is terminal and
has been doing very well since he was diagnosed on April 9. I will be
only a matter of time for him. They told me weeks! He has slowed
down on his eating but is not having a breathing issues. Any thoughts
would be appreciated. Thanks!
hopsiirabbit
Sorry for the delayed reply.
I have a book called Rabbit Health in the 21st Century (2nd Edition)
and the author mentions one of her bunnies with cancer. You can check
it out in Google Books and here's the link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=3Gz-NTF8wdQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=rabbit+health+in+the+21st+century&source=bl&ots=fsWks_20z0&sig=T4jy2J-bcq3vy9-P93WNlycM8HI&hl=en&ei=XsFsTKOCPYGClAeQjb3oAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
(If the link doesn't work, just type in the title of the book and look
for Google Books link)
The author used some alternative medicine to help her bunny.
In any case, it's a good book for house bunny owners.
Peter sounds like he has a loving home :)
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lucky. He's lucky to be found by you :) I know the feeling "to be
able to do something"... It must be hard. *Hugs* You're a very kind
person.
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> Thank you so much! I really do appreciate the info! I will check it out. I just wish I could do something for him. Peter is quite the bunny and still is doing ok. He came from a nearby park that someone had left him there. He was there for a few days before I got him. He must have been very resourceful because he was seen at the park for a few days. There are a lot of wild animals that live down there and he managed to escape them. Peter is truly loved! Thanks again for the info!! Wendy
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Roslyn Lamb
I'm not some sort of nutcase btw and not trying to make money - I don't well it and the formulation is no secret.
If you want to know more, I'm happy to let you know
Ros
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In the meantime, the tonic recipe is below with details of suppliers of the herbs. The prices may be a bit out of date but they should be pretty close still as that was from only a few months ago
I'll hunt down the preparation file and post that next
Obviously for rabbits you don't need to use very much at a time so it works out very cheap
Ros
1 part Chaparral leaf powder (Larrea tridentata)
1 part Graviola powder (Annona muricata)
Andrographis Herb Powder (Chuan Xin Lian)
1lb $16.99
Shipping $6.95 ...
Total $23.94
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http://www.mountainroseherbs.com
Neem leaf powder (Latin Name : Azadirachta indica)
2 lb $19.00 ($9.50 lb)
Shipping $7.04
Total $26.04
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http://www.herbalcom.com
Graviola powder (Annona muricata) Peru
2 lb $18.90 ($9.45 lb)
Chaparral leaf powder (Larrea trindentata) USA
2 lb $11.60 ($5.80 lb)
Total $35.75
Total Order (7 lbs (112 ounces) . makes 112 batches
$85.73
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Subject: Re: cancer in rabbits
Roslyn Lamb
I've abridged the document slightly but left in all that's important.
I do recommend group membership though as there is a lot of good advice to be had
Ros
INSTRUCTIONS FOR TONIC REVISED JULY 2007
The tonic is a mix of chaparral, graviola, neem and andrographis, originally invented by Alpha Omega Labs and sold as Cansema Tonic III. This and their Cansema Black Salvem worked so well that the company was shut down by a legal ‘set up’ designed to make that happen. Details of the situation are available elsewhere.
If you are planning to discuss a pets health or other situation you are using tonic for on the email list, YOU MUST MAKE THE TONIC ACCORDING TO INSTRUCTIONS. IF DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT ALL ABOUT A DOSE USING THE STANDARD CONCENTRATION OF TONIC, THE INFORMATION GIVEN IS CONFUSING AND MEANINGLESS.
Due to a number of list members using tonic making it by brewing an ounce of the herb mix with 4 cups of water for 20 minutes, and getting good effects from it, giving about 4 tablespoons a day instead of one, this method is now an acceptable alternative for making tonic and posting on the list. However for the strongest and most certain effect, especially in when pets are in serious condition, it would be best to use the freeze method as follows:
MAKING TONIC TO THE STANDARD CONCENTRATION
Take an ounce of the herb mix (half of a two ounce package which is usually what is sent) and put it with 4-5 cups of water (32 to 40 oz) in a double boiler. If you don't have a double boiler use whatever you have the idea is to make a strong tea with the least amount of heat. Try and keep it to a very low boil for no more than 20 minutes.
Stir occasionally. Cover and let it cool, possibly overnight. Pour off the tea slowly into freezer containers. The tea can be strained through a coffee filter or paper towel to remove all of the powder, which gives it a bitter taste.
The plan is to partially freeze the tea so ice will form around the edges, and leave a concentrated liquid elixir in the center that you pour off as the tonic Freezing in square containers will shorten the process since the ice will freeze faster in the corners and leave the liquid elixir in the center. You can break the surface ice and drain off the elixir in a separate container. It may take several freezing cycles to get the tonic down to the suggested 4-6 ounces.
It is often better to pour off the elixir sooner rather than later, which increases the number of cycles, but this is easier than leaving it longer and finding it has frozen solid. Round freezer containers are a lot more likely to freeze solid. The perfect situation is to pour dark elixir from clear colorless ice. But sometimes the ice is cloudy and brown, and the elixir is lighter colored. We do not know why this happens, but the elixir always seems to works the same.
Some people save the ice and use it in pet water, or drink it themselves and it has helped some conditions such as chronic coughing.
If you muse the tonic mix any other way, such as sprinkling powdered herbs on dog food or drinking it as tea, we can not compare your results with other cases where cancer is concerned, but your results can be kept as anecdotal.
The Cansema Tonic III we are replicating with this recipe was sold in a glass bottle with a dropper, 4 ounces for $61. They said to refrigerate it. It appears to me that the strong standard concentration is self preserving. I often leave tonic un-refrigerated for many months and have not ever found it 'spoiled', moldy or working differently. That is what I do, but it may be a good idea for you to refrigerate it to make sure.
DETERMINING THE RIGHT DOSE FOR YOUR PET
You will have to work it out the dosage for the pet you are treating by watching it's reaction to being given tonic. the pet should feel and function better. if a tumor is present it should stop growing or grow slower or shrink in size, but this may not be easy to judge visibly so the behavior is the best indicator it is working.
We have found that it is best to begin by giving a tablespoon a day for dogs and cats, skunks and rabbits, and a teaspoon a day for rats, sugar gliders. After 3-5 days if you see no results, increase the dose. 99% of pets or people using tonic have significant results, and almost everyone continues it’s use and in time either controls the growth of cancer, or sees tumors shrink and disappear. Tonic’s side effects seem to be the elimination of arthritis, clearing up of respiratory problems, especially in rats, and restoring energy and eliminating ‘foggy thinking’ in humans. It is common for humans and some pets to sleep better and occasionally longer at first, have night blindness clear up, and to heal and remove the pain of old bone injuries.
I do not have a dose per pound chart, do not ask me to guess. it is your job to work this out. you can ask on the list and others may have some suggestions. Many people see significant results in pets given smaller doses, but for serious conditions there may not be time to waste and the larger doses should be given.
Read post archives with a search for your breed or species to find what others did and what success or lack of it they had. The list archives are the full experience we have shared about using tonic.
We have monitored what occurred when several hundred pets and at least 50 people used tonic, including personal experience and what others reported to the email lists.
TEMPORARY HEARING AND SIGHT CHANGES
In high dose long term treatments, especially those where salve is also being used for large well established tumors, pets and people may have temporary hearing problems or reduced eye sight for a time or the duration of the most critical work of the tonic.
So far at least a dozen people and pets have reported these symptoms. So far reducing the tonic has resulted in the sight and hearing returning to normal. But the reduction stops the tonic from working so well to diminish the cancer problems. In most cases keeping the dosage required to effectively diminish cancer is the thing to do. It is possible that in time we find that sight and hearing is permanently affected in some pets or people. But so far it has gone away when the tumor is diminished or defeated. If you find these symptoms, you have to make your choice as to what is most important.
STOOL CHANGES
Within a few days of giving a larger dose of tonic such as a tablespoon a day for a cat or small dog, there will be, and should be stool changes.
The stool changes are a sign that the dosage is large enough to affect cancers. From experience in humans, I have come to believe that if you do not see stool changes, you are not doing as much as you could to get rid of the cancer. But all of us have limits to how much time we can walk the pet yard or examine the litter box, so pet stool changes often are not well documented.
A general pattern is 3 days of 'stuffy' near constipation, followed by lumpy stool that appears to be clay coated. Then there may be a day of loose smelly stool. Treating a pet with additional remedies for these changes is frankly stupid, since you are told here to expect them, they will pass as predicted, and do not want to add things that may interfere with the tonic working against the serious
problem you are using it for.
COUGHING
Often pets (or people) with a long standing tumor will have periods of coughing that last up to a week and happen periodically. There is reason to believe that tumors spread to the lungs first, and the tonic may loosen lung congestion in pets that did not seem to have it before.
YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT THE HERX REACTION WHEN USING TONIC
The side effect called Herxheimer is common to all successful remedies. It is when the remedy works so well that there is a kill off of cancer or other bad stuff, and the debris of the dying cells puts a burden on the organs and can cause organ failure. I took extremely high amounts of tonic to find out what level brought herx symptoms. I never got them but after 2 years I had a strong feeling it was time to reduce the dose.
If you are the first person to give tonic to a new species, you must remember that you have decided to try something that is experimental, and that doing so is how we learn how it works for a new application. So far no species has failed to benefit from taking tonic.
Most people come to the list because they have found no hope for a pet from any other place. so far tonic has not done harm to any animal or person who took it, and it is likely it will have value for your pet, but there are no guarantees.
One benefit of the email lists is that you can post and ask several hundred people if they have any experience with what you are facing, there may be someone who does but did not report it to the list, thinking it was not that important that anyone else know what they learned.
Please do not post me personally with questions about this process. the purpose of the list is to share information so we all learn. I spend hours a day on the list and to answer your inquiries privately means no one else gets value from your experience or my time, and I would have to repeat the same information many times instead of doing it once. some people have odd reasons they do not want to post to the list, but providing tonic mix and salve at around my cost is my contribution so that we can all work together to learn from our experience, and the information gained from your participation in doing that is my only profit.
Occasionally I work with someone privately trying a new way to use tonic or some other related treatment, and when I have some conclusions I announce them to the list. But it is up to me to initiate private posts. if you want to get tonic mix or slave, post your address to me privately.
GENERAL EFFECTS OF TONIC
a smaller dose will help many symptoms of aging such as arthritis and respiratory problems, and will give pets who are going to die extra months functioning near normal without discomfort. Smaller doses may prevent the regrowth of a tumor that has been removed by salve or surgery or other methods. Smaller doses may stop a dog from developing post vaccination tumors known to affect the breed-or it may not-no one had reported to the list about doing this.
But smaller dosages will not cure a tumor that has regrown or bring an old near death pet back to being a puppy or kitten.
if a pet who has a family history of cancer, is given small of weekly doses from the time it is mature, it is very likely that it will not get cancer as long as the dosages continue.
Larger doses are likely to diminish size of, stop regrowth of, or sometimes kill, cancers.
With certain procedures and additional things done at particular times, tonic will get rid of some cancers and do much to improve others. If you are posting the progress of your case to the list, we will know when it is good to do the additional things, and advise you what they are.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO NOT DO
Almost everyone wants to help their pet by giving a lot of supplements .
I can not stress strongly enough that supplements are almost certain to stop tonic from working. Every time that a pet given tonic shows no progress, we find that the owner is giving supplements. The things that do the most harm are essiac herbs, noni, and Artemesia (called ‘arte’ or wormwood).
Many supplements are not specifically known to interfere with tonic but giving supplements generally prevents progress, so certainly that the chance of improvement is reduced x the number of them given, even when we have reason to think some of them do not interfere with tonic.
This is because the benefit of the supplements go to the tumor and feed it rather than the animal, so the tumor is able to resist the effects of the things that would otherwise kill or shrink it.
This is also true when giving routine enemas. People who insist on giving things that we have seen interfere with tonic, almost always have pets die.
People who give supplements that do not interfere with tonic, will see slower progress in results. The more supplements given the slower the progress.
Please do not ask me 'what about...' or 'how come you do not like...'. I DO NOT REPORT WHAT I LIKE OR WHAT I READ ABOUT. I REPORT WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN ACTUAL CASES.
if you decide to use supplements of any kind, make it clear on the list what you are giving , and report what results you get. but do not use supplements and lie about it. We learn about which supplements are bad and which are neutral by following the cases where they are used against my advise. When people follow my advise in this we learn nothing new, but see some miraculous cures.
Every single time a pet given tonic is not progressing as we expect, we find that a problem supplement is being given.
ORAL NEOPHASENE
Many people come to the list already deciding to use oral Neophasene. This is not the same, or anything like, tonic and has no record showing it is of genuine value to use against cancer. In fact, every manufacturer I know of who logically decided that it was a good idea to offer an oral bloodroot product to be taken internally, discontinue the product after less than a year of seeing how hard it is on the pets to take. I have worked with people who used internal bloodroot formulas and suffered long term gastric discomfort and diarrhea, and whose tumors showed no benefit from using the product even after years. Changing to tonic eliminated their discomfort and cancers began to diminish quickly.
A search of list archives show that some larger dogs have gotten used to oral Neophasene, but there is no evidence that it benefited the curing of their cancer. Some pets who could not tolerate it changed to tonic and improved soon afterwards, and in time were cancer free.
LIST ETIQUETTE
There are some people who want to challenge the rule that we do not discuss things that we do not know wok well to eliminate cancer. Some people who resent this, or think that I am ‘against’ the supplements they believe in, want to debate these things on the list. Often they want to go by rules other lists allow such as anyone can say anything anytime. While we do not forbid any topic, we discourage discussing things that are not relevant to the goals of the list for very long. And if a person wants to discuss some supplement or study they need to search the list archives to find out if we have discussed it before, perhaps a dozen times, so we do not have to repeat the whole process to satisfy one new member.
I have often been told that I am not nice or irritate people or that reminding them of the purpose of the list hurts their feelings.
I agree that I am not nice and irritate people. I have no strong motivation to change and there is no benefit to the list to hear what additional people do not like me. Until polite cures cancer, we may as well focus on the issues concerning the pets health. You do not have to invite me to your tea parties.
if you follow the guidelines formed from what experience has shown us usually works, your pet will probably get better or even get back to normal health. that can make grumpy seem tolerable.
WHEN NEW PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED AND PANIC STRICKEN
We try to be gentle with them, but we still are not able to repeat everything we have learned in 5 years in posts to save them the bother of reading the documents that are sent to them when they join the list. And it often seems they do not read or pay attention to what they claim to have read, and continue to ask the same questions and if we post the answers they do not read those and ask again.
This is generally what makes me grumpy, especially knowing that all the work I have done in answering their questions and analyzing the photos they post, was never even read.
I had hoped that others would see what I look for in wounds to determine what will work best to get rid of the cancer and heal the pet, and could help others to see the same things if I were not there to do it. Unfortunately other people have not done this, so for now it may be a good idea to not make me grumpy and wear out my brain so I can not think, by asking things that you should have read in the text files sent to you.
PEOPLE WITH HEAD AND NECK TUMORS
We have seen many times that people with head or neck tumors get to be a particular kind of crazy, and often rant on the list in ways that are disruptive and damage the ability of the list to function. What is worse they almost always, when they are one treatment from removing the tumor completely, decide not to do it, thereby causing them to go through it all again when their tumor regrows from the root.
While we try to be tolerant of these people, they generally wear us out or get everyone on the list fighting until we can no longer endure it. We must choose between working with them and shooting ourselves in the head, or banning them from the list and being around to give help to others who need it for their pets.
DIETARY CHANGES
No cases ever showed improvement by changing the diet, and diets from BARF raw feeding to brown bag generic kibble do not show any difference in what dogs get cancer. Pets on the brown bag often are cured faster. Sorry if you do not like that this is so.
The only things that have made a genuine difference in the health of a pet with cancer are adding raw turkey burger sold in frozen tubes, REAL butter , and good quality pink sea salt. Gray 'Celtic' salt may do, but the feedback I get seems to favor salt from underground ancient mines such as the cheaper Redmond's Real Salt.
People who raw fed the BARF diet are sometimes astounded when their pets get tumors, thinking they had a formula that guaranteed perfect health.
There is no 100% guarantee to prevent cancer, and deciding that you did something wrong and changing the diet has not shown to be of value to the pets health. In fact it may do harm by adding variables that change the nutrition of the tumor and make it more difficult to deal with.
Buying organic, certified, or blessed food has never resulted in the pet doing better, and often such diet changes slow down progress. If spending money prevented cancer, old rescued animals getting the least expensive kibble would not be cured easier than the pets of people spending thousands on the best food and supplements and on every known remedy.
But the old rescues do get cured easier, and pets on the best organic raw meat diet improve given cheap raw turkey burger from frozen tubes.
It would be good to accept what you see has a record of working, without needing someone to think up a reason why, that satisfies your logical or intellectual needs.
OTHER USES FOR TONIC (comments from older text versions)
Most Dogs with signs of illness or aging perk up after a week and you know they feel better. If a condition is beyond curing, the tonic usually makes the pet feel better and function close to normally and will increase the life span to several times the predicted time until death. when Death comes, it is quick and without great discomfort.
Dogs who are about 5 can be given a few drops a week as a preventative and seem to avoid getting the conditions that come with aging. Dogs cured of cancers using salve or tonic are less likely to experience a regrowth than pets treated by surgery or other traditional treatments, but should get a preventative dosage perhaps for life.
Keep a journal of when you began the tonic and how much you give. Note when the dog seems happy and energetic, and when it seems depressed. Understand that sometimes feeling down is a side effect of a cancer being affected. It may take time and patience to learn what is a healing pattern and what is not.
Pictures, weight and measurements taken at the beginning will make it easier to judge what progress is made as time goes by. Pictures with a seamstress tape measure next to the wound will be good later to show size, and the progression of shrinking over pictures taken at different times.
When you are seeing steady progress do not change or add anything. If you lose the effects that cause progress, they are usually impossible to get back by stopping what you added, or adding back what you stopped.
Many conditions unrelated to cancer have improved from tonic use. Rats given tonic for tumors have had long lasting respiratory problems disappear. Thyroid problems have improved.
Energy and appetite have returned to old dogs who now no longer sleep all day. Skin problems may disappear.
We don't know what the tonic is doing to help so many conditions, and it may not do the same things for every pet, but it is so usual for things to improve that it is reasonable to try tonic first for difficult conditions that have not been helped by other treatments. We had one case where the tonic made a pet bloat and dosage had to be reduced dramatically. No other side effects have been noted. It is likely that the bloat was caused by the body chemistry caused by the tumor, and not directly by the tonic.
Testimonials for the Alpha Omega Tonic III may be seen as the archived pages linked to www.altcancer.com. The email list blacksalveand...@yahoogroups.com has text files and the archives can be read to show the progress many pets have had using tonic and salve for tumors in rats, cats, dogs and an occasional horse.
The tonic and salve are not available commercially anywhere now, so I have worked out the recipes to make them available to people who need them.
BEWARE !!!
Websites such as 'rising sun' and 'centerforce' claim to sell Alpha Omega 'Cansema' products but deliver something different that in my opinion is designed to be ineffective. Read labels of what you receive and compare them to the ingredient lists of what you thought you were getting. And make sure that whatever you use has a record of actually benefiting pets, and not just of scientific publications of lab studies inferring that it will be effective. The results of such studies rarely equate to anything that will help an actual pet get better.
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