[R] Gmane-interface
Oliver Bandel
I got a hint to use the gmane-interface...
...nice tool. :)
But the gmane-server which is mentioned ont he healp-pages of
http://www.r-project.org/
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
and the links on that page also,
just only bring me to an gamne-archive, which is outdated.
I post via http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
( http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.lang.r.general )
and it works and is up to date, but the gmane-archive reachabkle via the links
from the r-cran webpages is at least threaa days without update.
So, inserting working links would haelp the users a lot!
Ciao,
Oliver
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David Winsemius
When I look at that page and choose the "all messages with excerpted
text" link, I get what appears reasonably up-to-date entries compared
to what I get in my mail subscription. Have you considered the
possibility that it is not Gmane which is "without update" but rather
your knowledge of how to correctly use your browser that needs
updating? Generally there is some keystroke or button combination
that forces a a browser reloading of a webpage.
Gmane may be a couple of hours behind but not usually several days.
--
David Winsemius.
Oliver Bandel
>
> When I look at that page and choose the "all messages with excerpted
> text" link, I get what appears reasonably up-to-date entries compared
> to what I get in my mail subscription. Have you considered the
> possibility that it is not Gmane which is "without update" but rather
> your knowledge of how to correctly use your browser that needs
> updating?
I used the reload buttonm as well as CTRL-R to look for new data.
I have here the latest date from 2007/09/10 at
http://www.mail-archive.com/r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch/maillist.html
When using the other archive, which was recommended to me, it was
up-to-date (even if slow, because there was mentioned it needs up to 10
minutes for an update).
> Generally there is some keystroke or button combination
> that forces a a browser reloading of a webpage.
[...]
But this does not help.
Peter Dalgaard
> Hello,
>
> I got a hint to use the gmane-interface...
> ...nice tool. :)
>
> But the gmane-server which is mentioned ont he healp-pages of
> http://www.r-project.org/
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
>
> and the links on that page also,
> just only bring me to an gamne-archive, which is outdated.
>
> I post via http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
Er, as far as I can see, that *is* the first link on
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general : "On the web, using
frames and threads."
What gives????
> ( http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.lang.r.general )
> and it works and is up to date, but the gmane-archive reachabkle via the links
> from the r-cran webpages is at least threaa days without update.
>
> So, inserting working links would haelp the users a lot!
>
>
> Ciao,
> Oliver
>
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Oliver Bandel
> Oliver Bandel wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I got a hint to use the gmane-interface...
> > ...nice tool. :)
> >
> > But the gmane-server which is mentioned ont he healp-pages of
> > http://www.r-project.org/
> >
> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
> >
> > and the links on that page also,
> > just only bring me to an gamne-archive, which is outdated.
> >
> > I post via http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general
>
>
> Er, as far as I can see, that *is* the first link on
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general : "On the web, using
> frames and threads."
Ah, OK, found it.
If you look for
"Other mailing list archives for this list:
1. The Mail Archive
2. Original List Archive "
at the end of the page and use the first option, you come to
http://www.mail-archive.com/r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch/
Which is ending at "2007/09/10".
So, when using the first link, the one you mentioned,
then I have the appropriate interface.
If I use the other archive - the one at the end of the page -,
it's about two months late...
David Winsemius
On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Oliver Bandel wrote:
> Zitat von David Winsemius <dwins...@comcast.net>:
>
>>
>> When I look at that page and choose the "all messages with excerpted
>> text" link, I get what appears reasonably up-to-date entries compared
>> to what I get in my mail subscription. Have you considered the
>> possibility that it is not Gmane which is "without update" but rather
>> your knowledge of how to correctly use your browser that needs
>> updating?
>
> I used the reload buttonm as well as CTRL-R to look for new data.
>
> I have here the latest date from 2007/09/10 at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch/maillist.html
>
> When using the other archive, which was recommended to me, it was
> up-to-date (even if slow, because there was mentioned it needs up to
> 10
> minutes for an update).
>
>
>
>> Generally there is some keystroke or button combination
>> that forces a a browser reloading of a webpage.
> [...]
>
> But this does not help.
When I used the URL you offered to the Gmane website, both the RSS
feeds and the web interface links were as current as Gmane ever is.
Furthermore when I also look at the link entitled "Original list
archive", it too is also up-to-date. You seem to have managed to
choose the only link on the entire Gmane r.general page that has an
out-of-date archive. It appears to be a link that is under the control
of neither Gmane nor R-help. What can I say?
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I hit my hand with a hammer.
Doctor: Then don't do that.
--
David Winsemius, MD
Oliver Bandel
[...]
> When I used the URL you offered to the Gmane website, both the RSS
> feeds and the web interface links were as current as Gmane ever is.
> Furthermore when I also look at the link entitled "Original list
> archive", it too is also up-to-date.
[...]
Yes, the original-lists's archive is not only up to date, it's also
quite fast!
> You seem to have managed to
> choose the only link on the entire Gmane r.general page that has an
> out-of-date archive.
OK, so you see it's the link, not me handling my browser wrong...
> It appears to be a link that is under the
> control
> of neither Gmane nor R-help. What can I say?
You could say: it would make sense for the r-cran people to change that
webpage, so that other people will find a link to a working archive.
>
> Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I hit my hand with a hammer.
> Doctor: Then don't do that.
This comparison is nonense.
One should change the link on the webpage, or completely throw it out of
the page.
It seems, at this R-mailing list some poeple are somehow arrogant and
ignorant,
not looking for doing things better.
Ciao,
Oliver
Oliver Bandel
I have written a mail to gmane
so that they can correct their page (eventually throwing out that link).
Btw, the framed version of the link to the gmane-page (from r-cran project pages)
appears like being part of the r-cran-pages; that was the reason, why
I thought the gmane-archive-server was running under control of the
r-cran project. Could be done more clear, IMHO, but let's stop that
discussion now. It was not intended to offend someone, just wanted to make
things more user-friendly.
Ben Bolker
>
> It seems, at this R-mailing list some poeple are somehow arrogant and
> ignorant,
> not looking for doing things better.
>
> Ciao,
> Oliver
>
Perhaps you would be willing (in the spirit of improving
things) to go to
http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.lang.r.general&edit=t
and specify some information so that the Gmane people can
change the link to be correct?
cheers
Ben Bolker
Sebastian P. Luque
Ben Bolker <bol...@ufl.edu> wrote:
[...]
> Perhaps you would be willing (in the spirit of improving things) to
> go to
> http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.lang.r.general&edit=t
> and specify some information so that the Gmane people can change the
> link to be correct?
No, please, many of us are reading/posting via Gmane from proper
newsreaders without any problems at all for years. Before submitting
editing details, please clearly describe the problem at the
gmane.discuss list, set up particularly for these problems. The Gmane
maintainers will try to help. Or just use a proper newsreader and
forget about it. Web interfaces are probably the worst way to read
news, except while on the road...
--
Seb