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Iam moving to Belgium for about six years very soon and am looking for information on shooting over there. I woupld like to find an IDPA or IPSC club with regular matches. I am worried that I am not going to be able to shoot anymore. Any info would be a great help. Also posted in IPSC forum.

At the moment there are about 9 (level II) matches planned in Belgium for 2003. I don't know where you will find you're place in Belgium but just passed the Dutch border you will also find some clubs that organize matches.

If you're looking towards the dutch side just visit and look around. If you're still have any questions just send me a private mail or post another message. As far as I know there not much IPDA in the region (Belgium or Netherlands).

Thank you all for the info. I will be in S.H.A.P.E. It is somewhere called Mons. I will be getting there in Feburary but not settled in well fora couple of months. I look forward to meeting all of you at some point down the road.

jamxc, you can shoot ipsc in Belgium. Look at for more info. Unfortunately there's no IDPA in Europe, for as far as I know. Hope this helps. BTW, hope to see you if you ever come to any Dutch matches. Good luck in Belgium.

Mons is close to Liege (Luettich, Luik), and you'll be right in the center of IPSC activity in Belgium. Belgium has a small but very active IPSC community, and you could train/shoot matches every day of the week if you wanted. Plus, you can go to Holland and Germany to shoot IPSC, all w/i a few h drive. Sometimes it's hard to pick which match to shoot.... Contact Yvan Vogels (RD , Kees Guichelaar (RD NL) and Werner Pelzer (responsible for IPSC in the German state of Nordrhein-Westfalen) for details. Tell them Brian Enos sent you (that should impress them...)

I would like to know more about the Vepr 12 competition models/custom shop safety & lack of selector. I have read numerous times for the desire of the cross-bolt safety modification. I would love one as well as it seems more familiar to me than the traditional ak selector or even the modern Bulgarian ak/galil/fal type thumb selector.

But I have uncovered very little evidence & information about this safety mechanism. From the pictures I have found it does not resemble a traditional cross-bolt type safety. I can only really see one button on just the right side. On the left side it looks like just another filled pin hole & it looks like it is blocked by the extended thumb mag release. It almost looks like there is no safety at all.

This is what I/we found during extensive testing on the practice range and during competitions. Taran Butler and I have been working together for quite a few years developing the Saiga 12 for Open Division competition.

Here is our final conclusion: The fastest safety to go from standby position (start) to put the shogun into action is actually the stock Russian Selector Lever/Safety modified like the Krebbs so you have your trigger finger on the ledge ready to go. One could argue that the cross bolt is faster, but it is actually about the same, not enough to offset the value of the selector/safety lever.

Here is what we finally determined we liked even better than a cross bolt safety, a Mossberg type safety, etc when putting the shotgun on safe. One of the biggest issues/concerns in 3 Gun is the transition from the shotgun to either the pistol or the rifle. Numerous times the Benellis, Remington and other shotguns with the crossbolt type safety have been knocked off safe or bumped into the fire position when the shotgun was dumped in a barrel or laid on a table. More times from the barrel. Irregardless this will result in a DQ and you are going home. I know people will say that you should clear the shotgun before you dump it, but that is bullshit. If you are going for the gold, you don't have time to clear the shotgun. You want to THROW that mother in the dump barrel and get the fuck out of there.

Here is the way to put the safety on with the Russian Selector when you have to transition to another firearm. Holding the shotgun grip in the right hand, reach over the top of the shotgun and grab it by the left hand with the fingers on the safety/selector side of the receiver and the thumb on the left side of the receiver (over the dustcover), pull up on the selector lever. Let go of the right hand, and while you are starting to dump the shotgun into the barrel, use your now free right hand and either start to draw your pistol or reach for your rifle while dumping the shotgun only with your left hand into the barrel or onto a table.

Thank you Jack for all the information you provided as well as the picture.

For a short time I was considering a thumb type safety but after realizing what had to be done & how it actually operates I realized that for me it would be more of a hindrance & possible safety risk as well. I also mentioned the cross-bolt safety that everyone has been waiting for in another thread on another forum. But I could not find any detailed information on it or any close-up pictures on how it operates.

True the speed mag release is very neat but both versions appear to almost block the left side of the safety.

I also agree the Krebs selector is great & also really like the Vepr-12's extended selector. Hmmm a extended Krebs type selector that you could somehow operate with your finger and/or knuckle...

And Jack I really admire your products & have your grip on my Saiga 12.

For a short time I was considering a thumb type safety but after realizing what had to be done & how it actually operates I realized that for me it would be more of a hindrance & possible safety risk as well. I also mentioned the cross-bolt safety that everyone has been waiting for in another thread on another forum. But I could not find any detailed information on it or any close-up pictures on how it operates.

It is really no big deal to rivet or weld a tab or two exactly where you want it. The V12 safeties which have a tab connected to the axle on the left side of the reciever are less simple, but the common type is pretty straight forward if you want one. In my opinion, the standard vepr safety is good, but that with a krebs style tab would be better.

Cross bolt safety for V12/S12 became very popular in Russia, when in 2009 Vsevolod Ilyn asked Molot to modify his Standard Vepr-12 VPO-205 for his own needs and made Custom version of Vepr-12 for IPSC. He's not only suggested to modify FSB with a new construction for easy cleaning, mount bolt carrier buffer with spring, metal mag well, thumb mag release button, rails instead of rear sight, but also asked Molot to replace AK-type Safety for Cross Bolt type. Later Molot started to product Vepr-12 model (based on Ilyns CE V12), known as VPO-206 IPSC (official name of the model).

The pic of Ilyn and the first VPO-206 converted from VPO-205.

Damn, that Cerakote finish has held up beautifully on Kay's Shotgun. That gun has literary thousands of rounds through it, been around the world a couple of times and gets the crap beat out of it in competition, because we don't baby them and it still looks like new!!!

Hello,

Have you had success with Geltrex for culturing and differentiating iPSC? There is massive backorder with matrigel and I would like to use Geltrex for my work. Any input is much appreciated.

Thanks!!

Hi - as a related question, I wanted to know if people had any issues with using Geltrex during the initial thawing of any of vials received from Corriell? Do you get good survival and growth if this is the first matrix the cells get seeded on?

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