Three questions Nizkor's Ken McVay Avoids Like the Plague-- Watch Him Run to the Hills!! S_0206
Fred Rutherford
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461
QUESTION #1: Is the following news article authentic or not?
QUSETION #2: Did the reporter lie or get his information incorrect
when he reported: "Now [Ken McVay's] task has gotten a little easier
with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation
to the Nizkor Project..."?
QUESTION #3: (is below the news article)
<start/quote>
San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.
Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.
The Nizkor project not only provides information on Hitler's
bloody pogroms but is also intended to counter the claims of
"deniers" (as McVay calls them) -- modern-day neo-Nazis and
extremists who use their own web sites to deny that the
extermination of 12 million Jews and others ever took place
during World War II.
"They (deniers) think the Holocaust is a Jewish propaganda thing,"
said McVay this week during a visit to the Jewish Federation of
San Antonio. "I have come to see Holocaust denial as a function
of racism."
McVay and a group of Holocaust experts plan a panel discussion at
7 p.m. Sunday on "Fighting Hate on the Internet" at the
federation office, 8434 Ahern Drive behind North Star Mall.
The grant will allow McVay and his associates to unveil two new,
extremely fast computers at an undisclosed location in San
Antonio -- undisclosed because of threats from extremists, he
said.
These computers will be linked to others in Germany and Canada to
provide easily accessible information about the Holocaust and
hate groups.
The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.
Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.
Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material.
While the task sounds monumental and is expected to take years to
complete, McVay is not daunted.
"Every item that appears on the net takes away another lie"
promoted by neo-Nazis, he said.
The web address for the Nizkor Project is www.nizkor.org.
<end/quote>
The article above can be confirmed at: http://archives1.newsbank.com/
Now click San Antonio-Express News AR=rchives or:
http://archives.newsbank.com/saenews
You will be taken to a page with a very long URL and this is what
I just got:
http://archives9.newsbank.com/cgi-bin/user/home.pl/SAEC?nb_id=N61V4EQBZ2V0dGltZW9mZGF5OjE6MTQ6NjQuMTUyLjI0NS4xNjk
Once there click on the link contained within this passage:
A <search> in S.A. NewsArchives produces a list of story summaries
that include the headline, date, author, and first few sentences of
articles containing your search terms. The headline list is free. You
will be prompted to purchase a subscription to SA NewsArchives (if you
don't already have one) to view the full text of articles.
You will be taken to another page with the search engine and that
page was linked by this link:
http://archives9.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&p_theme=SAEC&p_product=SAEC
Once there set the search engine for:
Search for: Nizkor
Limit Search by Date: All documents
If you all do the above you should get this result:
1 record(s) found (Search results: 1 - 1)
August 3, 1996 San Antonio Express-News
Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten
Thomas Edwards Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn
promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet
so that people will never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany. Now
his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from the
philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an
international computer web site directed by the 55-year-old McVay from
his home in Vancouver Island, Canada. The Nizkor project
[View the full-text article, 526 words]
<end/search>
Notice to lurkers: You will have to order a subscription to be able
to retrieve the whole article but what the excerpts shows proves McVay
lies when he claims: "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort
whatsoever within the United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken
McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me, or
Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection with the San
Antonio Area Foundation."
QUESTION #3: If the news paper article exists and is correct then why
did you claim in the Nizkor archive below: "No one ever gave me $50,000.
That sum was donated to the San Antonio Area Foundation" when a local
San Antonio news paper reported: "Now [Ken McVay's] task has gotten a
little easier with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio Area
Foundation to the Nizkor Project..."
http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
From kmc...@nizkor.org Thu Jun 1 21:09:22 EDT 2000
Article: 747674 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The embezzlement question McVay refuses to answer
Date: 2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <8h716n$2t9h$1...@news.tht.net>
References: <282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>
"Blakely" wrote in message
news:282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge......... <END>
And if that same news paper report is not true as you reply in the post you made
above then why does your very own Nizkor web site carry the same article without
one exception or disclaimer concerning its accuracy? Care to explain the dilemma
and paradox I caught you in Ken McVay? BTW I have this archived as a web page, a
web document and have it snap shot as a JPG plus other people have done the
same! NOW EXPLAIN WHY YOU LIED ABOUT THAT $50,000 which YOUR own web site
reports you received as shown here:
EXACT QUOTE:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.
Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.
The Nizkor project not only provides information on Hitler's
bloody pogroms but is also intended to counter the claims of
"deniers" (as McVay calls them) -- modern-day neo-Nazis and
extremists who use their own web sites to deny that the
extermination of 12 million Jews and others ever took place
during World War II.
"They (deniers) think the Holocaust is a Jewish propaganda thing,"
said McVay this week during a visit to the Jewish Federation of
San Antonio. "I have come to see Holocaust denial as a function
of racism."
McVay and a group of Holocaust experts plan a panel discussion at
7 p.m. Sunday on "Fighting Hate on the Internet" at the
federation office, 8434 Ahern Drive behind North Star Mall.
The grant will allow McVay and his associates to unveil two new,
extremely fast computers at an undisclosed location in San
Antonio -- undisclosed because of threats from extremists, he
said.
These computers will be linked to others in Germany and Canada to
provide easily accessible information about the Holocaust and
hate groups.
The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.
Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.
Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material.
While the task sounds monumental and is expected to take years to
complete, McVay is not daunted.
"Every item that appears on the net takes away another lie"
promoted by neo-Nazis, he said.
The web address for the Nizkor Project is www.nizkor.org.
Home · Funding · Search · Site Map · What's New? · Make Nizkor your home
page WebPosition Gold
<END>
Your own web site reports (without exception/disclaimer):
San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.
Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada... <END>
YET you also claim (as shown above):
"Blakely" wrote in message
news:282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge.........
<END>
One of your "statements" is true and the other has to be false BUT either way
you are a liar who has been caught!
Anyone who wants to really see McVay for the flim-flam man he is need only read
these archives where I expose his dishonesty with the same type proofs I showed
above.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e235877_3%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Did Ken McVay pay tax on those $50,000+ donations he denies receiving?
Message-ID: <3e235...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2003 00:23:26 GMT
(Excerpt-- Click link to read entire archive)
From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: McVay Confirms Nizkor's ADL Connection: Mossad and ARA Also Allies.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5n6ib9$f3h$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
Date: 1997/06/05
In article <5n400d$s...@crack.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (William "Ian
McKinney Roger Hughes" Scott) wrote:
>McVay admits the ADL collects and disburses the money to Nizkor. Just
The ADL is an American organization. American funds donated to The
Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation, which
has no ties to the ADL. (Sorry, no banana)
<end/quote>
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:
>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.
Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
and mail them to:
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3
In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
and mail them to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this
open, public response will satisfy your query.
By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work... you are still
slandering Germans, and the German military, and I fail to see
how my financing changes that.
The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
[Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn
<end/quote>
If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you claim they were a source of financing?
http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
[Link active for downloading and for verification December 19, 2002.
(I have already downloaded and archived the PDF in case it becomes
unavailable for some reason.)]
Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
Annual Report 2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
San Antonio Area Foundation
Growing to Give, Giving to Grow
Page 3
Fund Types
The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to improving the quality
of life in our community through funding that impacts vital nonprofit
organizations so they can help people in time of need.
Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These funds enable the Area Foundation to respond
flexibly to changing community needs and emergencies.
Decisions on how to most appropriately use these
funds are left to the discretion of the Area Foundation’s
Advisory Committees and Board of Directors. Any size
gift may be given as a discretionary gift.
You’ll find many reasonable options for creating your
own fund in the paragraphs that follow. However,
if you wish to contribute to the work of the Area
Foundation and do not see an option that suits your
plan for giving, we invite you to contribute to an
existing discretionary fund. One of the many advantages
of this type of giving is that there is no minimum
contribution — you may give as little or as much as
you wish, as often as you wish.
[...]
Unrestricted Net Assets
AS OF DECEMBER 31 , 2000
Discretionary (unrestricted) 20 %
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Donor Advised Funds 36 %
Designated Funds 4 %
Field of Interest Funds 23 %
Scholarship Funds 17 %
Page 4
Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alamo Fund
Phoebe P. and John H. Foster Memorial Fund
Nat and Mannie Goldsmith Memorial Trust
Ruth Lang Charitable Fund
[...]
Beulah M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust
Beta and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund
Nizkor Fund
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mary Kay Owens Memorial Fund
Gaynelle and Gene Rankin Endowment Trust
[...]
S A N A N T O N I O A R E A F O U N D A T I O N
Post Office Box 120366 I San Antonio, Texas 78212
210-225-2243 I 210-225-1980 Fax
w w w. s a a f d n . o r g
<end/quote>
How about what a local San Antonio news paper published about the
San Antonio Area Foundation handing you a $50,000 check? Are they
lying too or does the actual evidence prove you are a tax cheater?
<start/quote>
San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.
Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada...
<END>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kpbl2v8od8empt5mdkt30k3t8ehs5q3jeh%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor's Ken McVay Caught Lying Big Time About his San Antonio
Connection!
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:17:47 -0600
Message-ID: <kpbl2v8od8empt5md...@4ax.com>
When right minded people have had enough of your lies and your confidence
schemes to build you own nest egg at their expense through exempted donations
they are going to demand you get audited Ken McVay and here is the contact info
for them to do it with:
Auditor General of CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca
For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.
Info on Ken McVay and his web site which is not entitled to receive exempt
donations:
The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461
Tavish
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Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
Where's my $10k, fatboy?
When are you going to file that complaint against ale?
Roger
When are you going to file that complaint against Yale?
Hank Kimball (County Agent)
<faedb490a836266c...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
> in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
>
>Where's my $10k, fatboy?
Been answered:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Stock Reply to Patrick Keenan (Can Apply to Other Pinheads as Well!)
<<Regarding whether I have $10,000 or not and if I have ties to a terrorist
group.>> Message-ID: <r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jan 2004 21:23:00 GMT [Special Note: Some of the loud mouths who like
to call me "Fat" names are now claiming my "CHALLENGE" is WIRE FRAUD which is
not true! I did not make an "OFFER" to the general public. My CHALLENGE was
originally directed toward (and still is) a very small segment of people who
insist on propagating Yale F. Edeiken's lie about what my medical record stated.
Wire fraud is what Yale's wife Wendy engaged in when she offered SHAKLEE vitamin
supplements with a false hope they helped her with her Multiple Sclerosis etc.
which was clearly false advertising to the general public. If the filth who
wants to call me "Fat" names doesn't want to back their smear with $1000.00
then I take it that they don't have confidence in their hero Yale. I, myself, am
not worried about having to pay any of the lying slanderous filth a cent because
I know what my medical record stated and I have copies of it readily at hand! My
opposition is content to hurl insults and dodging the main issue they support a
perjurious liar named Yale F. Edeiken who is the original Fat Slob known as the
"Waddler" at Lehigh County Courthouse; Allentown, PA.]
>When are you going to file that complaint against ale?
I have nothing against ale and I also don't drink it!
Hank Kimball (County Agent)
<1049448530bcf882...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>When are you going to file that complaint against Yale?
What makes you think I haven't already?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <74h7205devqu2630l...@4ax.com>:
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
>> in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
>>Where's my $10k, fatboy?
>
>Been answered:
Nope, just avoidance below.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>Subject: Stock Reply to Patrick Keenan (Can Apply to Other Pinheads as Well!)
><<Regarding whether I have $10,000 or not and if I have ties to a terrorist
>group.>> Message-ID: <r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com>
>Date: 31 Jan 2004 21:23:00 GMT [Special Note: Some of the loud mouths who like
>to call me "Fat" names are now claiming my "CHALLENGE" is WIRE FRAUD which is
>not true! I did not make an "OFFER" to the general public.
You made the offer *here* in this public forum. In what way is that
*not* to the general public?
>My CHALLENGE was
>originally directed toward (and still is) a very small segment of people who
>insist on propagating Yale F. Edeiken's lie about what my medical record stated.
And I have accepted that challenge, contingent on your providing proof
that you even have the $10k.
When can we expect such proof?
>Wire fraud is what Yale's wife Wendy engaged in when she offered SHAKLEE vitamin
>supplements with a false hope they helped her with her Multiple Sclerosis etc.
Your proof that they did *not* help her (the only claim she made?)
>which was clearly false advertising to the general public. If the filth who
>wants to call me "Fat" names doesn't want to back their smear with $1000.00
>then I take it that they don't have confidence in their hero Yale.
Since this $1k was *not* a part of the challenge I accepted, it is
irrelevant.
>I, myself, am
>not worried about having to pay any of the lying slanderous filth a cent because
>I know what my medical record stated and I have copies of it readily at hand!
Then put it in escrow so I know you can't renege, and you will have
the chance to prove me wrong here in this public forum.
>My
>opposition is content to hurl insults and dodging the main issue they support a
>perjurious liar named Yale F. Edeiken who is the original Fat Slob known as the
>"Waddler" at Lehigh County Courthouse; Allentown, PA.]
No, I am not content with that. I want to prove to the world just how
morbidly obese you are. Deposit the $10k in escrow, and we will
discuss the manner of my providing the proof.
>>When are you going to file that complaint against ale?
>I have nothing against ale and I also don't drink it!
You also have nothing legitimate against *Yale*, and haven't the balls
to put your complaint where your morbidly obese mouth is.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>When are you going to file that complaint against Yale?
>What makes you think I haven't already?
Because I call the Pennsylvania authorities every morning to check.
Are you claiming that you have? With which authority (the BBB doesn't
count: they just laughed as they discussed the matter with Yale...)
Fred Rutherford
<6c70dbf121c6cbef...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Hank Kimball (County Agent) wrote
> in message <u6h720p69j171oai2...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:30 GMT,
>><1049448530bcf882...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>
>>>When are you going to file that complaint against Yale?
>
>>What makes you think I haven't already?
>
>Because I call the Pennsylvania authorities every morning to check.
Looks like someone is getting very nervous to me!
>Are you claiming that you have? With which authority (the BBB doesn't
>count: they just laughed as they discussed the matter with Yale...)
Looks like someone is getting very nervous to me!
Tavish
--Criminal Yale F. Edeiken's deplorable record:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)
Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>
A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)
The Disciplinary Board was content to give Yale F. Edeiken a "private reprimand"
but he continued to act like the psychotic nut case he is and defied them and
refused to appear at his hearing more than once! He was then "forced" to appear
and the "private reprimand" had escalated to "PUBLIC CENSURE" by the highest
court of that bastard's state! Furthermore the Disciplinary Board closed with:
"It is further ORDERED that respondent [Yale F. Edeiken] shall pay costs to the
Disciplinary Board pursuant to Rule 208(g), PaR.D.E." IOW Yale had to pay the
Disciplinary Board to "kick his shyster ass" AFTER the Disciplinary Board of the
Supreme Court of the State of Pennsylvania had to serve numerous notices upon
him and compel him to attend his disciplinary hearing!! Yale also had to pay for
all costs of the investigation too! It's all detailed in that PDF file!! GO
LOOK!!
BTW Yale F. Edeiken had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and
Yale had received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then the bastard got "PUBLIC
CENSURE" in 1998!!! Looks like Yale F. Edeiken is real shining example of the
legal profession doesn't it? Why that shyster still has his law license is a
mystery to me! His assaulting a Deputy Sheriff should have done him in- in 1990!
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s2hq10drpp50ik59v9litpvrdjr1203099%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Edeikook Follies #6 Yale F. Edeiken Goes on a Rampage at His County
Courthouse V2.1 S_0102
Message-ID: <s2hq10drpp50ik59v...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Feb 2004 19:02:18 GMT
Yale is also a perjurer who also makes criminal death threats using subpoenaed
information:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0neq10177ekocu899...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara Salzman Won't Comment on These Forgeries - I Wonder Why!.. V2.0
Message-ID: <0neq10177ekocu899...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Feb 2004 18:21:27 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=gsk76vcng7f0cugmimalglbno6bmgmslhk%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Admits Sending Death Threats Over The Internet is a
Federal Crime (Which He Has Done!)
Message-ID: <gsk76vcng7f0cugmi...@4ax.com>
Fred Rutherford
<e1367e493aefebd3...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Hank Kimball (County Agent) wrote
> in message <74h7205devqu2630l...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:14 GMT,
>><faedb490a836266c...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>
>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>> someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
>>> in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>Where's my $10k, fatboy?
>>
>>Been answered:
>
>Nope, just avoidance below.
NOT TRUE!!
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>>Subject: Stock Reply to Patrick Keenan (Can Apply to Other Pinheads as Well!)
>><<Regarding whether I have $10,000 or not and if I have ties to a terrorist
>>group.>> Message-ID: <r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com>
>>Date: 31 Jan 2004 21:23:00 GMT [Special Note: Some of the loud mouths who like
>>to call me "Fat" names are now claiming my "CHALLENGE" is WIRE FRAUD which is
>>not true! I did not make an "OFFER" to the general public.
>
>You made the offer *here* in this public forum.
I made no OFFER!!
>In what way is that *not* to the general public?
If you knew how to read you would see who it was directed to!
>>My CHALLENGE was originally directed toward (and still is) a very small segment
>>of people who insist on propagating Yale F. Edeiken's lie about what my medical
>>record stated.
>
>And I have accepted that challenge, contingent on your providing proof
>that you even have the $10k.
>
>When can we expect such proof?
I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT!! THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE LIARS SUCH AS YOU TO
"PROVE" YALE'S LIE IS TRUE WHICH IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S A LIE!!
>>Wire fraud is what Yale's wife Wendy engaged in when she offered SHAKLEE vitamin
>>supplements with a false hope they helped her with her Multiple Sclerosis etc.
>
>Your proof that they did *not* help her (the only claim she made?)
She implied other MS sufferers may get relief!
I.E.
<start/quote>
Edeiken Associates
Wendy & Yale Edeiken
You can change your life because I did!
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future and when friends from college told me about Shaklee, I was desperate
enough to listen even though my doctor said that it would be a waste of money.
With the help of a pharmacist in Shaklee, I began a well-balanced program of
Shaklee supplements, exercise, positive visualization and healthy eating.
I was amazed at the change! I had energy and the desire to take control of my
prognosis. Now, sixteen years later, I have a thriving Shaklee business, I am
teaching four days a week, and I look forward to every new day!
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body needed to begin a life-long quest for health.
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change your physical and financial life.
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If you need advice or nutritional counseling call me at 610-XXX-XXXX!
<end/quote>
She got shut down!
>>which was clearly false advertising to the general public. If the filth who
>>wants to call me "Fat" names doesn't want to back their smear with $1000.00
>>then I take it that they don't have confidence in their hero Yale.
>
>Since this $1k was *not* a part of the challenge I accepted, it is
>irrelevant.
Just another dodge from a devil noted!
>>I, myself, am not worried about having to pay any of the lying slanderous filth a cent because
>>I know what my medical record stated and I have copies of it readily at hand!
>
>Then put it in escrow so I know you can't renege, and you will have
>the chance to prove me wrong here in this public forum.
I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A THING!!! THAT IS THE POINT!! You shit start lies and
then demand the target to provide proof otherwise. The burden of proof is on you
to prove a perjurer told the truth which he didn't.
>>My opposition is content to hurl insults and dodging the main issue they support a
>>perjurious liar named Yale F. Edeiken who is the original Fat Slob known as the
>>"Waddler" at Lehigh County Courthouse; Allentown, PA.]
>
>No, I am not content with that.
I don'[t care what you are content with
>I want to prove to the world just how morbidly obese you are.
DO IT NOW THEN SEEING HOW YOU THINK YOU CAN!!
>Deposit the $10k in escrow, and we will discuss the manner of my providing the proof.
The burden of proof is on you.
>>>When are you going to file that complaint against ale?
>
>>I have nothing against ale and I also don't drink it!
>
>You also have nothing legitimate against *Yale*, and haven't the balls
>to put your complaint where your morbidly obese mouth is.
YOU'RE IN FOR A VERY MAJOR SURPRISE!! YOUR HERO HAS MANY STRIKES AGAINST HIM AND
A VERY DEPLORABLE RECORD!
You tell Tubby Edeiken he better start saving money because he will need it!
Tavish
I.E.
Patrick Keenan
news:djn7201t7f8vtcoe9...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:38 GMT,
> <e1367e493aefebd3...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . >
wrote:
>
> >In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > someone claiming to be Hank Kimball (County Agent) wrote
> > in message <74h7205devqu2630l...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:14 GMT,
> >><faedb490a836266c...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . >
wrote:
> >
> >>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> >>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> >>> someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
> >>> in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>>Where's my $10k, fatboy?
> >>
> >>Been answered:
> >
> >Nope, just avoidance below.
>
> NOT TRUE!!
Yes, it's true. You have yet to confirm that you have the $10,000 to back
up your "challenge".
>
>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r96o10
ptkou9i8eggfom...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> >>Subject: Stock Reply to Patrick Keenan (Can Apply to Other Pinheads as
Well!)
> >><<Regarding whether I have $10,000 or not and if I have ties to a
terrorist
> >>group.>> Message-ID: <r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com>
> >>Date: 31 Jan 2004 21:23:00 GMT [Special Note: Some of the loud mouths
who like
> >>to call me "Fat" names are now claiming my "CHALLENGE" is WIRE FRAUD
which is
> >>not true! I did not make an "OFFER" to the general public.
> >
> >You made the offer *here* in this public forum.
>
> I made no OFFER!!
Yes, you did, and you restate it in just a few lines.
And note that it doesn't matter how few people you've targeted.
>
> >In what way is that *not* to the general public?
>
> If you knew how to read you would see who it was directed to!
Which is irrelevant.
> >>My CHALLENGE was originally directed toward (and still is) a very small
segment
> >>of people who insist on propagating Yale F. Edeiken's lie about what my
medical
> >>record stated.
As they say... so what?
> >
> >And I have accepted that challenge, contingent on your providing proof
> >that you even have the $10k.
> >
> >When can we expect such proof?
>
> I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT!!
Actually, that's not entirely correct.
> THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE LIARS SUCH AS YOU TO
> "PROVE" YALE'S LIE IS TRUE WHICH IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S A LIE!!
Speaking of liars... First, there's this small issue of whether the $10,000
you've offered is there or not.
>
> >>Wire fraud is what Yale's wife Wendy engaged in when she offered SHAKLEE
vitamin
> >>supplements with a false hope they helped her with her Multiple
Sclerosis etc.
> >
> >Your proof that they did *not* help her (the only claim she made?)
>
> She implied other MS sufferers may get relief!
Incidentally, current studies show that healthier lifestyles and in
particular Vitamin D can in fact help with MS.
http://www.direct-ms.org/vitamind.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/01/13/vitaminD.ms.reut/
<snip>
> >
> >Since this $1k was *not* a part of the challenge I accepted, it is
> >irrelevant.
>
> Just another dodge from a devil noted!
Says the guy who will not verify that his "challenge" is legitimate.
> >>I, myself, am not worried about having to pay any of the lying
slanderous filth a cent because
> >>I know what my medical record stated and I have copies of it readily at
hand!
> >
> >Then put it in escrow so I know you can't renege, and you will have
> >the chance to prove me wrong here in this public forum.
>
> I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A THING!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!
You've made an offer of $10,000 Challenge. Do you have the money or not?
> You shit start lies
Like that you actually have a legitimate challenge?
> and
> then demand the target to provide proof otherwise. The burden of proof is
on you
> to prove a perjurer told the truth which he didn't.
No, the current question is whether your "$10,000 Challenge" is legitimate
or not.
> >>My opposition is content to hurl insults and dodging the main issue they
support a
> >>perjurious liar named Yale F. Edeiken who is the original Fat Slob known
as the
> >>"Waddler" at Lehigh County Courthouse; Allentown, PA.]
> >
> >No, I am not content with that.
>
> I don'[t care what you are content with
Then why did you write the lines above?
>
> >I want to prove to the world just how morbidly obese you are.
>
> DO IT NOW THEN SEEING HOW YOU THINK YOU CAN!!
But you just said you didn't care. Could you make up your mind?
> >Deposit the $10k in escrow, and we will discuss the manner of my
providing the proof.
>
> The burden of proof is on you.
The only one who can prove that you have the money is *you*, and so that
burden is on you.
Is your "$10,000 Challenge" legitimate or fraudlulent?
Your challenge has been accepted. Why are you not proceeding?
This is a simple question.
-pk
<snip>
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Hank Kimball (County Agent) wrote
>> in message <u6h720p69j171oai2...@4ax.com>:
>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:30 GMT,
>>><1049448530bcf882...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>>>>When are you going to file that complaint against Yale?
>>>What makes you think I haven't already?
>>Because I call the Pennsylvania authorities every morning to check.
>Looks like someone is getting very nervous to me!
Looks like someone is never going to grow a pair and make good on zir
threats.
>>Are you claiming that you have? With which authority (the BBB doesn't
>>count: they just laughed as they discussed the matter with Yale...)
>Looks like someone is getting very nervous to me!
Yep -- you've been avoiding depositing my $10k in escrow, indicating
that you are very nervous about the fact that I can show you to be
morbidly obese.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Hank Kimball (County Agent) wrote
>> in message <74h7205devqu2630l...@4ax.com>:
>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:03:14 GMT,
>>><faedb490a836266c...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>>> someone claiming to be Fred Rutherford wrote
>>>> in message <uf9720lm6i47nklo5...@4ax.com>:
>>>>Where's my $10k, fatboy?
>>>Been answered:
>>Nope, just avoidance below.
>NOT TRUE!!
I see no place below where you say where my $10k is, blubberbury...
>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>>>Subject: Stock Reply to Patrick Keenan (Can Apply to Other Pinheads as Well!)
>>><<Regarding whether I have $10,000 or not and if I have ties to a terrorist
>>>group.>> Message-ID: <r96o10ptkou9i8egg...@4ax.com>
>>>Date: 31 Jan 2004 21:23:00 GMT [Special Note: Some of the loud mouths who like
>>>to call me "Fat" names are now claiming my "CHALLENGE" is WIRE FRAUD which is
>>>not true! I did not make an "OFFER" to the general public.
>>You made the offer *here* in this public forum.
>I made no OFFER!!
Every time you repost the challenge, you use the word "offer."
Are you really that dense?
>>In what way is that *not* to the general public?
>If you knew how to read you would see who it was directed to!
And I have accepted that challenge.
Where's the $10k?
>>>My CHALLENGE was originally directed toward (and still is) a very small segment
>>>of people who insist on propagating Yale F. Edeiken's lie about what my medical
>>>record stated.
>>And I have accepted that challenge, contingent on your providing proof
>>that you even have the $10k.
>>
>>When can we expect such proof?
>I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT!! THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE LIARS SUCH AS YOU TO
>"PROVE" YALE'S LIE IS TRUE WHICH IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S A LIE!!
Oh, but I can -- have you got the $10k for me when I do, or not?
>>>Wire fraud is what Yale's wife Wendy engaged in when she offered SHAKLEE vitamin
>>>supplements with a false hope they helped her with her Multiple Sclerosis etc.
>>Your proof that they did *not* help her (the only claim she made?)
>She implied other MS sufferers may get relief!
Her only claim was that they helped her. Have you proof that they
didn't?
Beer commercials imply that you could get a date with a super model,
too -- and we all know how very unlikely that is...
>She got shut down!
Funny that she is still a valued and content member of the Shaklee
team, despite your lies to the contrary.
>>>which was clearly false advertising to the general public. If the filth who
>>>wants to call me "Fat" names doesn't want to back their smear with $1000.00
>>>then I take it that they don't have confidence in their hero Yale.
>>Since this $1k was *not* a part of the challenge I accepted, it is
>>irrelevant.
>Just another dodge from a devil noted!
Do you now claim that your challenge has *always* included paying you
*anything*, fatboy?
You're the one dodging the question of my $10k.
>>>I, myself, am not worried about having to pay any of the lying slanderous filth a cent because
>>>I know what my medical record stated and I have copies of it readily at hand!
>>Then put it in escrow so I know you can't renege, and you will have
>>the chance to prove me wrong here in this public forum.
>I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A THING!!! THAT IS THE POINT!! You shit start lies and
>then demand the target to provide proof otherwise. The burden of proof is on you
>to prove a perjurer told the truth which he didn't.
You *do* have to prove that you have the $10k, if you don't want to
continually be reminded that *you* ran from your very own challenge,
fatboy.
>>>My opposition is content to hurl insults and dodging the main issue they support a
>>>perjurious liar named Yale F. Edeiken who is the original Fat Slob known as the
>>>"Waddler" at Lehigh County Courthouse; Allentown, PA.]
>>No, I am not content with that.
>I don'[t care what you are content with
Then stop telling lies: I have accepted your challenge. Have you the
$10k or not?
>>I want to prove to the world just how morbidly obese you are.
>DO IT NOW THEN SEEING HOW YOU THINK YOU CAN!!
As soon as you prove you're not going to renege on the $10k you
offered.
>>Deposit the $10k in escrow, and we will discuss the manner of my providing the proof.
>The burden of proof is on you.
And I will meet it, as soon as you show that you haven't been lying
about paying me $10k when I do.
>>>>When are you going to file that complaint against ale?
>>>I have nothing against ale and I also don't drink it!
>>You also have nothing legitimate against *Yale*, and haven't the balls
>>to put your complaint where your morbidly obese mouth is.
>YOU'RE IN FOR A VERY MAJOR SURPRISE!! YOUR HERO HAS MANY STRIKES AGAINST HIM AND
>A VERY DEPLORABLE RECORD!
>
>You tell Tubby Edeiken he better start saving money because he will need it!
Yeah, yeah, yeah -- you won't have the balls to follow thru on this
threat, anymore than you have the $10k to back your fraudulent
challenge.