Future plans for KDE on Qubes?

[Achim Patzner]

Hi!


After a few months of severe suffering from xfce on a HiDPI display I
gave in and installed @kde-desktop-qubes on my system – and I'm pretty
sure I don't want to see xfce for the next few years. Title bars have a
usable size (something that cannot be configured in xfce without
building your own themes), icon aren't scaled randomly and fonts are
finally looking as they should. And third-party software like Softmaker
Office is finally working as expected. So: Will there be support for KDE
beyond Qubes 3.2 or will I have to plan for carrying a third machine for
my office work space?



Achim

[7v5w7go9ub0o]

+1

Never thought I'd admit it, but KDE (despite its legendary (and today
overstated) bloat and complexity) - actually works rather well.

[Grzesiek Chodzicki]

On my previous machine Qubes with KDE was unusable. Damn thing kept crashing/hanging. It was totally unusable. I switched over to XFCE and the entire system became 3x faster.

[Jeremy Rand]

7v5w7go9ub0o:

Good to see that I'm not the only Qubes user out there who finds KDE to
be more usable than the alternatives. Totally agree -- I really hope
KDE continues to be supported on Qubes for those who prefer it.

Cheers,
-Jeremy

[Achim Patzner]

Am 23.10.2016 um 21:28 schrieb Grzesiek Chodzicki:

> W dniu niedziela, 23 października 2016 11:38:34 UTC+2 użytkownik Achim Patzner napisał:
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>> After a few months of severe suffering from xfce on a HiDPI display I
>> gave in and installed @kde-desktop-qubes on my system – and I'm pretty
>> sure I don't want to see xfce for the next few years.

> On my previous machine Qubes with KDE was unusable. Damn thing kept crashing/hanging. It was totally unusable. I switched over to XFCE and the entire system became 3x faster.

I've been using KDE as long as it was around, starting with FreeBSD and
I never had it crashing on me unless I was using broken hardware. I
can't say much about Qubes yet; I have it on a number of machines for 9
months now but KDE never crashed. And I don't care for the speed – I
need a certain result (i. e. a working environment suited to my needs);
geting nothing done three times as fast doesn't sole my problems (and I
don't believe these numbers anyway as I'm having both on the same machine).


Achim

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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I think we can keep its current state. Shouldn't be a problem for Qubes
4.0 and later. At least until next major incompatible changes in KDE...

- --
Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
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[Chris Laprise]

I also prefer KDE. Also keep in mind these major revisions occur about
once per decade.

Chris

[raah...@gmail.com]

what version of qubes? on 3.1 was stable for me. I haven't used kde on 3.2 which might be the new version of kde which definitely is buggy on other bare metal distros. but I haven't tried it on qubes.

[Zrubi]

On 10/23/2016 11:14 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:

>> Good to see that I'm not the only Qubes user out there who finds KDE to
>> be more usable than the alternatives. Totally agree -- I really hope
>> KDE continues to be supported on Qubes for those who prefer it.

I'm also chosed to use the new version of the "broken" KDE instead of
switching to Xfce.

> I think we can keep its current state. Shouldn't be a problem for Qubes
> 4.0 and later. At least until next major incompatible changes in KDE...

The problem is that the old KDE 4 was mature enough to just leave it as
it was packed by the Fedora 18, 20.
But KDE 5 is heavily developed so not even bugfixes gonne be released to
F23 - we currently using in dom0

So KDE 5 support would means to me:
- keep an up to date Fedora release in dom0
- and/or backport KDE 5 packages to the actual dom0 release - whatever
it is based on.


--
Zrubi

[Achim Patzner]

Am 23.10.2016 um 23:14 schrieb Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> I think we can keep its current state. Shouldn't be a problem for Qubes
> 4.0 and later. At least until next major incompatible changes in KDE...

I'm wondering whether I should try to get one of the discontinued Lenovo
P50 with 3840x2160 dots at 15" just to make someone's eyes bleed
enough... Believe me, even with all available settings it is not usable
with xfce; not everything in a window will be text and not every
application is taking care of adapting to Xft.dpi.


Achim