Will KDE be deprecated? Migration for in-place upgrades?

[Patrick Schleizer]

I understand, the port to GNOME did not work out yet, and that now the
decision has been made to make Qubes R3.2 based on LXDE.

Sources:
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1806
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2119

Therefore my question, will KDE be deprecated? Or will it still be
somewhat supported?

Will in-place R3.2 upgrades migrate Qubes KDE users to LXDE or will that
be a manual process?

Cheers,
Patrick

[raah...@gmail.com]

lxde? its super lightweight and a full desktop. I've always prefered it for my laptops, but unfortunately I don't think its maintained anymore. Its my understanding the devs have now moved to lxqt which is pretty much as bloated as xfce. I think maybe just Sticking with xfce might be a better idea.

I completely understand wanting to get rid of KDE at this point. because the newer KDE versions are so buggy. I also don't like the direction its gone with removing options that past versions had, or how its become less easily customizeable as well. So I wasn't too upset at qubes not updating to the latest version so quick. I'm glad qubes came to this decisions because even though I have always preferred KDE, the new versions are worrysome. I also was never a fan of gnome at all. gnome-flashback was only thing I liked since it wasn't bloated and mysterious. But XFCE is definitely the way to go now imo.

[Alex]

On 07/01/2016 06:49 PM, raah...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> But XFCE is definitely the way to go now imo.

+1

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Alex

[Patrick Schleizer]

XFCE. Not LXDE.

(Sorry, I messed that up!)

Patrick Schleizer:

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 03:43:00PM +0000, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> I understand, the port to GNOME did not work out yet, and that now the
> decision has been made to make Qubes R3.2 based on LXDE.
>
> Sources:
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1806
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2119
>
> Therefore my question, will KDE be deprecated? Or will it still be
> somewhat supported?

It will still be available in repositories, but but will not be included
in installation image and Xfce will be the default environment for new
installations.

> Will in-place R3.2 upgrades migrate Qubes KDE users to LXDE or will that
> be a manual process?

Upgrade will keep the user choice. With an exception that KDE5 has
renamed it session name (`kde-plasma` -> `plasma`), so on first login
after upgrade it needs to be choosen again. This is covered in upgrade
instruction:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r3.2/

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[Eva Star]

Sorry for my stupid question, but 

ksnapshot tool is the part of KDE?

Will this tool be available at the system when KDE will be removed by default?

I'm almost done the script that upload automatically screenshots from this tool to imgurl hosting via appvm. And I need to know need to continue do it and it  share for all... or we will be go from ksnapshot very soon?

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 05:09:31PM -0700, Eva Star wrote:
> Sorry for my stupid question, but
> ksnapshot tool is the part of KDE?

Yes.

> Will this tool be available at the system when KDE will be removed by
> default?

Your guess is right - when KDE is not installed, there is also no
ksnapshot tool. But there are others, for example there is
xfce4-screenshooter, which support mostly the same features.

> I'm almost done the script that upload automatically screenshots from this
> tool to imgurl hosting via appvm. And I need to know need to continue do it
> and it share for all... or we will be go from ksnapshot very soon?

If you have taken approach of hooking it up using desktop file with
appropriate MimeType, it should just work. Take a look here:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1324#issuecomment-155655636
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/953#issuecomment-219299573

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
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[Eva Star]

> Will this tool be available at the system when KDE will be removed by
> default?

Your guess is right - when KDE is not installed, there is also no
ksnapshot tool. But there are others, for example there is
xfce4-screenshooter, which support mostly the same features.

Now, it's bash script. I do all the jobs with kdialog to select target vm, then I upload image to this vm from dom0 and additional temp script which do the job of uploading image file to the imgurl server, then open gedit to show the results at appvm: image link&delete link. Also it's possible to copy url automatically to the appvm clipboard.

There are a log of problems:

1) kdialog always swearing about "Qclipboard  event" (maybe because of I'm at XFCE). Anyway, I do not like kdialog . :( 

2) ksnapshot used only because of it have "region selection" tool. I use D-bus to control ksnapshot and extract any screenshots from it.

There is very fine&little alternative without dependencies called scrot tool. 

Scrot is okey, but it does not have interface to give user approach to select some region. I need some tool to select region and get two (x,y) coordinates to capture the area of the screen and to forget about ksnapshot.

As for me, seems it's easier and better to scripts&utils like kdialog and rewrite all on clean c++ with some libs to do jobs. But I only know how to write console apps. I never do something for GUI especially on linux. Seems it's the place for Qt:

1) region selector to receive two XY coordinates tool (Qt).

2) alternative confirmation dialog by Qt

3) maybe some lib that already can capture screenshots to move from commands at shell. 

 

 

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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xfce4-screenshoter also support selecting screen region. But I doubt it
support such detailed API as ksnapshot. It does support some command
line options:

$ xfce4-screenshooter -h
Usage:
xfce4-screenshooter [OPTION...]

Help Options:
-h, --help Show help options
--help-all Show all help options
--help-gtk Show GTK+ Options

Application Options:
-c, --clipboard Copy the screenshot to the clipboard
-d, --delay Delay in seconds before taking the screenshot
-f, --fullscreen Take a screenshot of the entire screen
-m, --mouse Display the mouse on the screenshot
-o, --open Application to open the screenshot
-r, --region Select a region to be captured by clicking a
point of the screen without releasing the mouse button, dragging your
mouse to the other corner of the region, and releasing the mouse button.
-s, --save Directory where the screenshot will be saved
-u, --upload Host the screenshot on ZimageZ, a free online
image hosting service
-i, --imgur Host the screenshot on Imgur, a free online
image hosting service
-V, --version Version information
-w, --window Take a screenshot of the active window
--display=DISPLAY X display to use

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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[Achim Patzner]

Am 01.07.2016 um 19:53 schrieb Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 03:43:00PM +0000, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> > Therefore my question, will KDE be deprecated? Or will it still be
> > somewhat supported?
>
> It will still be available in repositories, but but will not be included
> in installation image and Xfce will be the default environment for new
> installations.

And you have tested it on a HiDPI display, I suppose?


Achim