I am also looking for an icon for Backup/Restore.
As long as I can't find this option I can't restore my VMs and this release is useless for me.
I was able to restore all of my VMs via CLI but after restoring I couldn't start any VM.
Will downgrade to 3.2 and will wait for final release of 4.0 and I hope that this will then be fixed.
I can't start any VM (AppVM & Template VM) even the Template VM that was created freshly with 4.0 installation can't start.
Thanks for all the work on 4.0 BTW. And 3.2. And 3.1 ...
oh ok I see, so a taskbar widget or something to replace the manager. I thought they lost their minds for a second. My immediate thought was what about attaching drives, and seeing if updates available? Joanna addressed all my concerns but I'm gonna have to wait and see what happens with this. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be more confusing then the manager.
Right now my mother and family are able to use qubes no problem with no terminal actions required. none at all. I don't know why that shocks some people when I tell them. I hope that remains the same becvause they wouldn't be using Qubes without it.
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 5:23:20 PM UTC-4, Micah Lee wrote:
> On 07/31/2017 04:43 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
(...), when I boot up, grub
> works, but then as soon as Qubes starts to boot the computer reboots,
> and I end up back in grub.
Having the EXACT same issue with my T430s
On a thinkpad x1, after removing iommu=no-igfx I got to initial-setup-graphical but that is failing on "qubes-prefs default-template fedora-25" with qubesadmin.exc.QubesVMNotFoundError: "No such domain: "fedora-25"'.
I see a qubesd warning a little before:
WARNING: Sum of all thin volume sizes (226.01 Gib) exceeds the size of thin pool qubes_dom0/pool00 and the size of the whole volume group (222.57 GiB)!
FWIW: setup completed successfully after a re-install.
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On 08/02/2017 03:04 AM, cooloutac wrote:
> oh ok I see, so a taskbar widget or something to replace the
> manager. I thought they lost their minds for a second. My
> immediate thought was what about attaching drives, and seeing if
> updates available? Joanna addressed all my concerns but I'm gonna
> have to wait and see what happens with this. Hopefully it doesn't
> turn out to be more confusing then the manager.
It is a miscalculation. How about the words "we must make Qubes user
friendly for all users non IT advanced" and release Qubes without
Maybe, widgets is not a good idea, but Qubes Manager is one of the
important part that make Qubes useful to manage all vms with mouse.
Some UX to old one QM + start menu links to right mouse action and it
will be amazing.
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Obvious bugs during alpha/beta stages aside, I do feel sorrow for the lack of the Qubes VM Manager as well., and some other minor things that may have major user impact for some people.
- VM Backup GUI seems missing. Is this perhaps something still being worked on and is coming later? Seems really odd that it's missing. I am by no means worried about using the terminal, but it's often extra work. Which is really bad when it takes away valuable time, especially when on the move and in a hurry. It is also a disadvantage for people who are visually stronger to gather a mental overview of their system.
- Seems like there is a missing ability to see inactive VM's for the visual users (Just like the 3.2 VM Manager can show inactive VM's). This is really important for some people, while not important for some others. Albeit, perhaps I just missed the feature to turn it on in the widget?
- Not sure of this one, it might just be due to the VM starting bug, but it seems like we can't easily have an overview of used memory/drive space for each VM anymore? If true, this is a big problem for people on limited hardware resources, who need to be mindful of what is currently running in order not to spend it all up. For example (A contrast example), I never worry if I use all memory, it's essentially almost impossible for me to use it all up inside normal use cases. However on my "8GB ram/128GB SDD" laptop/tablet hybrid running Qubes, this is a very, very different story altogether.
Devices are only getting smaller, the inability to upgrade drives or memory in the near future, seems to make smart software more important than ever before. Having good overview of VM resources is imho a really, really good thing.
Especially because not everyone runs around with laptops that have 12-16+ GB memory.
- VM colors? It might be my limited knowledge here, but adding extra colors, even if just a few, shouldn't take long? 5-10 minutes to add? I might just be super naive here. But having said that, even a few extra colors would be really nice. Heck, even light and dark color versions, like for example light/dark variants of (blue,red,purple,green, etc.).
I did not have much time to look around, so perhaps I just missed some of the changes, but this is my first impression nontheless.
Having said that, I'm really, really excited about the increased virtualization security and the AdminVM features. Can't say nothing else but that it's an amazing job you guys did there (and a lot of hard work too, which we end users should appreciate more).
Most of them
rarely touch the Manager.
Qubes is moving towards business users, we already know that much. But are the regular users getting ignored now as a result? or are both still being seen as primary users?
It's clear that Qubes 4 took a lot of hard work, so perhaps there just wasn't enough time to work on everyday touch and feels, like proper GUI and user experience.
But the deep worry that Qubes might or might not be giving up on normal users, is definitely there for me. I have high hopes for Qubes to change the PC/Mobile environment of the future, forcing the hand on any other OS out there. There should be no issues to support both users and businesses.
It's not that I believe this, but the elephant is still in the room. Are users getting ignored now? or was it just because Qubes 4 had so much work that there was little time left for anything else?
If the latter is indeed the case, what is the next everyday user experience development in planning? Gnome 3? Return of GUI tools such as backup? Graphics in VM's for high end graphics? Gaming even? I mean, I do believe if these mentioned issues were fixed, Qubes could draw in quite a lot of new users.
Heck many gamers care about privacy and security too, there is a large user-base there if you manage to make gaming through virtualization work smoothly.
Think about it, how highly connected gamers are through gaming news etc., if gaming worked in Qubes, it'd in my opinion draw a lot of positive attention, and a likely substantial Qubes userbase growth. Getting graphics to work in Qubes is being seen as a low priority, for the life of me, I cannot see why this is the case, with so many potential new Qubes users laying in wait.
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 10:28:45PM
> Start failed: internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain
Make sure you have VT-x and VT-d enabled in BIOS.
Probably yes - without VT-x and VT-d, initial configuration failed.
I have no restarted installation on my Lenovo X200 with VT-x and VT-d enabled but it seems that the installation hangs after booting up.I have removed rhgb quiet and set console=vga to see what is happening. After the first few lines the displays clears and I get a black screen while the drive LED is on (so there seems to be some activity, but nothing happens.I remember that there were some issues with installing Qubes on a X200.