[Q3.2rc1] XFCE bugs with locale, suspend bug and some other
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Eva Star
Jul 4, 2016, 9:45:27 AM7/4/16
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1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
Qubes Manager show icon with the following error:
Error starting vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain
Log file say: libvchen_is_eof
2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
possible to fix this?
https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
3) About issue with losing "System Tools" links at Application menu
you are already noticed?
https://i.imgur.com/rCMiymX.png
It's also not available under right click of the mouse.
4) At the Qubes website I see some bad character. What is it?
https://i.imgur.com/j4bMt05.png
Suggestion:
Qubes Manager UX:
1) Add possibility to sort menu items up and down.
It's useful in big list to keep some most used application at the top.
https://i.imgur.com/gctZoJl.png
2) Related to issue number 1 on this post: It's only show the error
icon per vm and need to hover to get the error message. Why not to add
this errors to the log of VM?
3) As there is a new issue on the tracker from Joanna:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132
It is all fine to simplify&minimalism Qubes Manager and add some panel
addons.
But as the new user of Qubes I can suggest to stay with advanced Qubes
Manager available. As for me, I'm only use start menu because of Qubes
Manager does not have some icon near AppVM name to click on it with
LEFT mouse button like Joanna want and receive list of available
shortcuts to start.
If this will be available on QM then **only one** left mouse click
need to access and start some application.
Compare it with Start menu: (1 click) open menu (2 click) choose VM on
the BIG list with eye research (3 click) launch application.
So, there is TWO additional click with Start menu and some eye
research. While new Qubes Manager can provide as the better UX in
same scenarios. And some users will forget about Start menu at all.
4) Why Qubes Manager written on phyton code? Is it compatibility
issue? Why not to write it on C++ with Gt/Gtk ?
Some additational questions:
Is it "safe" to give "yes to all" permissions to vm with Enigmail(PGP)
to access vaultVM through slip-pgp-key?
Is it possible to use subkeys on Enigmail?
Enigmail does not give to select subkey. Only primary key available
for signing messages.
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1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
Qubes Manager show icon with the following error:
Error starting vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain
Log file say: libvchen_is_eof
2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
possible to fix this?
https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
3) About issue with losing "System Tools" links at Application menu
you are already noticed?
https://i.imgur.com/rCMiymX.png
It's also not available under right click of the mouse.
4) At the Qubes website I see some bad character. What is it?
https://i.imgur.com/j4bMt05.png
Suggestion:
Qubes Manager UX:
1) Add possibility to sort menu items up and down.
It's useful in big list to keep some most used application at the top.
https://i.imgur.com/gctZoJl.png
2) Related to issue number 1 on this post: It's only show the error
icon per vm and need to hover to get the error message. Why not to add
this errors to the log of VM?
3) As there is a new issue on the tracker from Joanna:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132
It is all fine to simplify&minimalism Qubes Manager and add some panel
addons.
But as the new user of Qubes I can suggest to stay with advanced Qubes
Manager available. As for me, I'm only use start menu because of Qubes
Manager does not have some icon near AppVM name to click on it with
LEFT mouse button like Joanna want and receive list of available
shortcuts to start.
If this will be available on QM then **only one** left mouse click
need to access and start some application.
Compare it with Start menu: (1 click) open menu (2 click) choose VM on
the BIG list with eye research (3 click) launch application.
So, there is TWO additional click with Start menu and some eye
research. While new Qubes Manager can provide as the better UX in
same scenarios. And some users will forget about Start menu at all.
4) Why Qubes Manager written on phyton code? Is it compatibility
issue? Why not to write it on C++ with Gt/Gtk ?
Some additational questions:
Is it "safe" to give "yes to all" permissions to vm with Enigmail(PGP)
to access vaultVM through slip-pgp-key?
Is it possible to use subkeys on Enigmail?
Enigmail does not give to select subkey. Only primary key available
for signing messages.
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Eva Star
Jul 4, 2016, 10:19:25 AM7/4/16
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And some other note about Qubes Manager UX and Start menu that is not
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already been discovered:
It's order of VMs at Qubes Manager and at other menus.
It must be somehow coincide. Because of we are get used to one order
at Qubes Manager, then Start Menu give us other sorting, then plugins
at xfce panels will give us the third type of sorting. It's not good
for UX.
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raah...@gmail.com
Jul 4, 2016, 2:09:55 PM7/4/16
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This has been mentioned before and I agree it would be nice to have the start menu have vms in the same order as default qubes manager.
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Jul 4, 2016, 7:40:29 PM7/4/16
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On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 04:45:23PM +0300, Eva Star wrote:
>
> 1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
>
> Qubes Manager show icon with the following error:
> Error starting vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain
> Log file say: libvchen_is_eof
>
>
> 2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
> possible to fix this?
> https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
This is expected. By default only ASCII is allowed.
>
> 1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
>
> Qubes Manager show icon with the following error:
> Error starting vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain
> Log file say: libvchen_is_eof
>
>
> 2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
> possible to fix this?
> https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1059
> 3) About issue with losing "System Tools" links at Application menu
> you are already noticed?
> https://i.imgur.com/rCMiymX.png
> It's also not available under right click of the mouse.
Probably some missing font...
> Suggestion:
> Qubes Manager UX:
>
> 1) Add possibility to sort menu items up and down.
> It's useful in big list to keep some most used application at the top.
> https://i.imgur.com/gctZoJl.png
I'm afraid it isn't possible (it's always sorted by name).
> 2) Related to issue number 1 on this post: It's only show the error
> icon per vm and need to hover to get the error message. Why not to add
> this errors to the log of VM?
should contains some more information - can you check what exactly?
> 3) As there is a new issue on the tracker from Joanna:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132
>
> It is all fine to simplify&minimalism Qubes Manager and add some panel
> addons.
> But as the new user of Qubes I can suggest to stay with advanced Qubes
> Manager available. As for me, I'm only use start menu because of Qubes
> Manager does not have some icon near AppVM name to click on it with
> LEFT mouse button like Joanna want and receive list of available
> shortcuts to start.
>
> If this will be available on QM then **only one** left mouse click
> need to access and start some application.
>
> Compare it with Start menu: (1 click) open menu (2 click) choose VM on
> the BIG list with eye research (3 click) launch application.
>
> So, there is TWO additional click with Start menu and some eye
> research. While new Qubes Manager can provide as the better UX in
> same scenarios. And some users will forget about Start menu at all.
maintain and we want to rewrite it. This may mean we'll not have
resources to add also this feature.
> 4) Why Qubes Manager written on phyton code? Is it compatibility
> issue? Why not to write it on C++ with Gt/Gtk ?
to worry about hard to debug memory related errors (corruptions,
use-after-free, overflows etc).
Current manager uses Qt4 (PyQt4), but the plan for the new one is to use
(Py)GTK.
> Some additational questions:
>
> Is it "safe" to give "yes to all" permissions to vm with Enigmail(PGP)
> to access vaultVM through slip-pgp-key?
> Is it possible to use subkeys on Enigmail?
> Enigmail does not give to select subkey. Only primary key available
> for signing messages.
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/split-gpg/#tocAnchor-1-1-6
PS I see you make heavy use of your new screenshooting tool :)
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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Andrew David Wong
Jul 4, 2016, 11:01:16 PM7/4/16
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(Please don't make duplicate -- or partially duplicate -- threads.)
On 2016-07-04 06:45, Eva Star wrote:
>
> 1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
>
> Qubes Manager show icon with the following error: Error starting
> vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain Log
> file say: libvchen_is_eof
>
(Replied on duplicate thread:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/8MDPxl41jRw/p-IKs9gXBAAJ)
>
> 2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
> possible to fix this? https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
> 3) About issue with losing "System Tools" links at Application menu
> you are already noticed? https://i.imgur.com/rCMiymX.png It's also
> not available under right click of the mouse.
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
It's a heart icon. You probably have some kind of browser extension
that's blocking it.
>
> Suggestion: Qubes Manager UX:
>
> 1) Add possibility to sort menu items up and down. It's useful in
> big list to keep some most used application at the top.
> https://i.imgur.com/gctZoJl.png
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
> 2) Related to issue number 1 on this post: It's only show the error
> icon per vm and need to hover to get the error message. Why not to
> add this errors to the log of VM?
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
> 3) As there is a new issue on the tracker from Joanna:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132
>
> It is all fine to simplify&minimalism Qubes Manager and add some
> panel addons. But as the new user of Qubes I can suggest to stay
> with advanced Qubes Manager available. As for me, I'm only use
> start menu because of Qubes Manager does not have some icon near
> AppVM name to click on it with LEFT mouse button like Joanna want
> and receive list of available shortcuts to start.
>
> If this will be available on QM then **only one** left mouse click
> need to access and start some application.
>
> Compare it with Start menu: (1 click) open menu (2 click) choose
> VM on the BIG list with eye research (3 click) launch application.
>
> So, there is TWO additional click with Start menu and some eye
> research. While new Qubes Manager can provide as the better UX in
> same scenarios. And some users will forget about Start menu at
> all.
>
> 4) Why Qubes Manager written on phyton code? Is it compatibility
> issue? Why not to write it on C++ with Gt/Gtk ?
>
>
> Some additational questions:
>
> Is it "safe" to give "yes to all" permissions to vm with
> Enigmail(PGP) to access vaultVM through slip-pgp-key?
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
> Is it possible to use subkeys on Enigmail? Enigmail does not give
> to select subkey. Only primary key available for signing messages.
>
(Replied on duplicate thread.)
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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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(Please don't make duplicate -- or partially duplicate -- threads.)
On 2016-07-04 06:45, Eva Star wrote:
>
> 1) Failed to start any VM after suspend (tested on xfce)
>
> Qubes Manager show icon with the following error: Error starting
> vm internal error: libxenlight failed to create new domain Log
> file say: libvchen_is_eof
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/8MDPxl41jRw/p-IKs9gXBAAJ)
>
> 2) Some characters does not show on title of XFCE windows. Is it
> possible to fix this? https://i.imgur.com/xqLqHGD.png
>
> 3) About issue with losing "System Tools" links at Application menu
> you are already noticed? https://i.imgur.com/rCMiymX.png It's also
> not available under right click of the mouse.
>
It's a heart icon. You probably have some kind of browser extension
that's blocking it.
>
> Suggestion: Qubes Manager UX:
>
> 1) Add possibility to sort menu items up and down. It's useful in
> big list to keep some most used application at the top.
> https://i.imgur.com/gctZoJl.png
>
> 2) Related to issue number 1 on this post: It's only show the error
> icon per vm and need to hover to get the error message. Why not to
> add this errors to the log of VM?
>
> 3) As there is a new issue on the tracker from Joanna:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132
>
> It is all fine to simplify&minimalism Qubes Manager and add some
> panel addons. But as the new user of Qubes I can suggest to stay
> with advanced Qubes Manager available. As for me, I'm only use
> start menu because of Qubes Manager does not have some icon near
> AppVM name to click on it with LEFT mouse button like Joanna want
> and receive list of available shortcuts to start.
>
> If this will be available on QM then **only one** left mouse click
> need to access and start some application.
>
> Compare it with Start menu: (1 click) open menu (2 click) choose
> VM on the BIG list with eye research (3 click) launch application.
>
> So, there is TWO additional click with Start menu and some eye
> research. While new Qubes Manager can provide as the better UX in
> same scenarios. And some users will forget about Start menu at
> all.
>
> 4) Why Qubes Manager written on phyton code? Is it compatibility
> issue? Why not to write it on C++ with Gt/Gtk ?
>
>
> Some additational questions:
>
> Is it "safe" to give "yes to all" permissions to vm with
> Enigmail(PGP) to access vaultVM through slip-pgp-key?
>
> Is it possible to use subkeys on Enigmail? Enigmail does not give
> to select subkey. Only primary key available for signing messages.
>
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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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Andrew David Wong
Jul 4, 2016, 11:01:22 PM7/4/16
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On 2016-07-04 07:19, Eva Star wrote:
> And some other note about Qubes Manager UX and Start menu that is
> not already been discovered:
>
> It's order of VMs at Qubes Manager and at other menus.
>
> It must be somehow coincide. Because of we are get used to one
> order at Qubes Manager, then Start Menu give us other sorting,
> then plugins at xfce panels will give us the third type of sorting.
> It's not good for UX.
>
Agreed. Related issue:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1022
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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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On 2016-07-04 07:19, Eva Star wrote:
> And some other note about Qubes Manager UX and Start menu that is
> not already been discovered:
>
> It's order of VMs at Qubes Manager and at other menus.
>
> It must be somehow coincide. Because of we are get used to one
> order at Qubes Manager, then Start Menu give us other sorting,
> then plugins at xfce panels will give us the third type of sorting.
> It's not good for UX.
>
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1022
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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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Eva Star
Jul 5, 2016, 2:36:58 AM7/5/16
to qubes-users, eva...@openmailbox.org
(Please don't make duplicate -- or partially duplicate -- threads.)
Sorry, the parallel thread arose. because of SPAM filter. I thought that first one was deleted or never received by google groups, therefor I send another one.
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