Weird icon in Applications, behavior of the deleted VMs

scurge1tl

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Yesterday I was experimenting with monero gui. I just unpacked the
monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.14.0.0.tar.bz2 (the hash and PGP verifications
were ok) in the AppVM named monero-on based on whonix-ws-14 and played
with it for some time. Than I deleted the AppVM and shut down the laptop
.

Today, when I click on the Q icon Applications, I see a weird icon in
the list between domain: and service: named "monero-on-vm", with a
weird icon which looks like a box with trash or what. Options
available are:

monero-on: Chat support
monero-on: Dolphin

None is working when clicked. I thought the Q button Applications is
under control of dom0 and there is no way how the
monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.14.0.0.tar.bz2 would influence dom0 this way.

I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes, and watching
the boot process, I can still see Qubes is trying to boot AppVMs which
are for months deleted, with "Failed to start" the VM. How do I delete
it permanently?

Can you advice me how to work it out, and put a bit light into the matte
r?

Thank you!

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Andrew David Wong

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May 30, 2019, 10:20:59 PM5/30/19

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On 30/05/2019 7.43 AM, scurge1tl wrote:
> Yesterday I was experimenting with monero gui. I just unpacked the
> monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.14.0.0.tar.bz2 (the hash and PGP verifications
> were ok) in the AppVM named monero-on based on whonix-ws-14 and played
> with it for some time. Than I deleted the AppVM and shut down the laptop
> .
>
> Today, when I click on the Q icon Applications, I see a weird icon in
> the list between domain: and service: named "monero-on-vm", with a
> weird icon which looks like a box with trash or what. Options
> available are:
>
> monero-on: Chat support
> monero-on: Dolphin
>
> None is working when clicked. I thought the Q button Applications is
> under control of dom0 and there is no way how the
> monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.14.0.0.tar.bz2 would influence dom0 this way.
>

This usually indicates that the VM has been deleted, and the leftover
Application Menu shortcut was not cleaned up correctly. It's a box of
trash because the original, correct icon is no longer available.

You can clean up the shortcuts manually using the information documented
here:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts/#behind-the-scenes

> I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes, and
> watching the boot process, I can still see Qubes is trying to boot
> AppVMs which are for months deleted, with "Failed to start" the VM.
> How do I delete it permanently?
>

I haven't heard of this problem before. Please consider reporting this
bug if it hasn't been reported yet:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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scurge1tl

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May 31, 2019, 3:58:53 AM5/31/19

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If
>
I understand it properly, I should go in dom0 to
/etc/qubes-rpc/qubes.GetAppMenus and delete the entry manually. The
issue is that in my /etc/qubes-rpc/ there is no qubes.GetAppMenus file.

Also in dom0 the /usr/libexec I dont see any qubes-appmenus to get to
qubes-receive-appmenus. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Could you be
more specific with precise commands to follow?

>
>> I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes, and
>> watching the boot process, I can still see Qubes is trying to
>> boot AppVMs which are for months deleted, with "Failed to start"
>> the VM. How do I delete it permanently?
>
>
> I haven't heard of this problem before. Please consider reporting
> this bug if it hasn't been reported yet:
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/

I will report it.

>
>
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Andrew David Wong

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May 31, 2019, 9:32:30 PM5/31/19

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No, that's the RPC policy directory. Don't delete anything in that
directory unless you know what you're doing. Modifying the contents of
that directory can have significant security implications. You can
read more about RPC policies here:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/rpc-policy/

> Also in dom0 the /usr/libexec I dont see any qubes-appmenus to get
> to qubes-receive-appmenus. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Could
> you be more specific with precise commands to follow?
>

I just submitted a PR to add this section in an attempt to answer your
question:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/825/files

Does it help?

For reference, this came from my discussion with Marek on:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4711

>>> I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes, and
>>> watching the boot process, I can still see Qubes is trying to
>>> boot AppVMs which are for months deleted, with "Failed to
>>> start" the VM. How do I delete it permanently?
>
>
>> I haven't heard of this problem before. Please consider
>> reporting this bug if it hasn't been reported yet:
>
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/
>
> I will report it.
>

Thanks!

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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scurge1tl

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$ qvm-appmenus --update --force monero-on
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/qvm-appmenus", line 9, in <module>
load_entry_point('qubesdesktop==4.0.17', 'console_scripts',
'qvm-appmenus')()
File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubesappmenus/__init__.py",
line 612, in main
vm = args.app.domains[vm]
File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubesadmin/app.py", line 87,
in __getitem__
raise KeyError(item)
KeyError: 'monero-on'

Now I didn't try yet to execute $ rm -i
~/.local/share/applications/my-old-vm-* just in case you would like me
to try some other tests when issue is alive, to see thats going on.

Also if you tell me how to log the boot sequence, where my long time
deleted VMs are appearing and trying to boot, I will send it to you.

>
> Does it help?
>
> For reference, this came from my discussion with Marek on:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4711
>
>>>> I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes, and
>>>> watching the boot process, I can still see Qubes is trying
>>>> to boot AppVMs which are for months deleted, with "Failed to
>>>> start" the VM. How do I delete it permanently?
>
>
>>> I haven't heard of this problem before. Please consider
>>> reporting this bug if it hasn't been reported yet:
>
>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/
>
>> I will report it.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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Andrew David Wong

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On 01/06/2019 4.07 AM, scurge1tl wrote:
>> On 31/05/2019 2.58 AM, scurge1tl wrote:
>>

>> [...]

>>
>> I just submitted a PR to add this section in an attempt to
>> answer your question:
>
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/825/files

For reference, this has been merged as is now live here:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts/#fixing-shortcuts

>
> $ qvm-appmenus --update --force monero-on Traceback (most recent
> call last): File "/usr/bin/qvm-appmenus", line 9, in <module>
> load_entry_point('qubesdesktop==4.0.17', 'console_scripts',
> 'qvm-appmenus')() File
> "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubesappmenus/__init__.py", line
> 612, in main vm = args.app.domains[vm] File
> "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubesadmin/app.py", line 87, in
> __getitem__ raise KeyError(item) KeyError: 'monero-on'
>
> Now I didn't try yet to execute $ rm -i
> ~/.local/share/applications/my-old-vm-* just in case you would like
> me to try some other tests when issue is alive, to see thats going
> on.
>

Please file a bug report for this. There should be no traceback.

Thank you!

> Also if you tell me how to log the boot sequence, where my long
> time deleted VMs are appearing and trying to boot, I will send it
> to you.
>

I'm afraid I don't know how to do that. Perhaps one of the more
knowledgeable folks around here will be able to help with this part.

>
>> Does it help?
>
>> For reference, this came from my discussion with Marek on:
>
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4711
>
>>>>> I don't know if it is related, but when booting to Qubes,
>>>>> and watching the boot process, I can still see Qubes is
>>>>> trying to boot AppVMs which are for months deleted, with
>>>>> "Failed to start" the VM. How do I delete it permanently?
>
>>>> I haven't heard of this problem before. Please consider
>>>> reporting this bug if it hasn't been reported yet:
>
>>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/
>
>>> I will report it.
>
>> Thanks!

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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