What does a quantt friendly doctor mean?
Take Quant data seriously, but with a critical scientific perspective
Enable health quantting by providing access to greater data sources
(i.e. scripts for medical devices etc.. )
Will to sell time on a Direct model (low cost directly paid for care).
(sometimes they are contractually forbidden)
Willing to give reliable health data resources, and healthcare data
context in a fast and effective way.
What does a doctor friendly quantt mean?
Respectful of time, recognize that often, no one is paying for this.
Recognize that you might need to pay directly to take more of a
doctors time. Recognize that quantting with doctors is a long term
project, this is not a single visit issue. Bring your data and your
conclusions, do not expect the doctor to do initial data analysis,
without the understanding that if you want them to do that work might
Quantting can be empowering and healthy, but it can also be
obsessional and unhealthy. Doctors have an obligation not to enable
obsession or self destruction. Being “quantt friendly” is not a blank
check from your doctor for behaviors they consider unhealthy. Doctors
may be the bearers of bad new about the clinical and scientific
validity of your quantting efforts.
Try to ensure that your data is well-formatted and as objective as possible.
Other good notes that do not fit into these questions:
3 cases of patients bringing data to docs.
hard core quantter - has objectivity need prescriptive power
participate in self-obsessing
quantting as empowerment
How to qualify a doctor who is quantt friendly?
Say "I like to track my own data are you willing to help me with that?"
Say "I like to experiments on myself are you willing to help me?"
Too hard ->
Say "Can you help me sew this back on?"
How do you push a quantt neutral doctor to be a quantt friendly
doctor? Open Question
Fred,Thanks for that - as well as for setting up the group. I missed the original session, but was sad I had after seeing the enthusiastic tweets about it. :)Couple questions for you -
1. What happened during the session that prompted the creation of a mailing list?
2. (Related) What are the aims of this list,
Trying to both get myself up to speed and re-frame my thinking that doctors can be helpful (present MD company excluded!)
Here are the initial definitions that we came up with in our face to face
](eg more a collaborative partnership in which individuals with different but interfacing areas of expertise work together roughly as equals, and less the oldschool 'doctor knows best' / unquestioning compliance model).
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, w.e. b. <phenat...@gmail.com> wrote:](eg more a collaborative partnership in which individuals with different but interfacing areas of expertise work together roughly as equals, and less the oldschool 'doctor knows best' / unquestioning compliance model).
This is the mantra of the epatient movement. This would probably be a good timfor everyone to go explore that community.
I think reading the whitepaper would be esp good...
As we focus on next steps, I do -not- want to focus on empowering patients generally, because that is such a really huge scope and more importantly, there is a huge community focused on this with the e-patients. I already frequently work with them on projects and I hope this will be another one of them.
What I want to keep this group focused on, assuming this makes sense to everyone else, is the Quant-Doctor bridge. The first and most important task here is to get a resource up, that allows quantts to find and potentially suggest quant-friendly doctors. As well as perhaps create a web-page or something like that details and extends the basic lists that we came up with at the conference....
Having said that, this is just -my- focus. I think there is more to be done and I do not want to stunt any growth here. I am just talking strongly about what I see as worth working on, and what I am willing to contribute to.
Also, my understanding is that the QS people are pretty zonked and need a little break after the conference... I know I do.... so this will probably be something I will be returning to in earnest in a few weeks...
A patient coming to doctor with a proactive agenda of any kind marks
The alternative is paternalism in medicine, where all "direction"
regarding health comes from the doctor.
So I do not think it is realistically possible to be a quant patient
without being an e-patient too.
I am not arguing that all e-patients are good patients. A person can
be engaged while still being obsessive and/or delusional...