Joysticks question

[glenn....@gmail.com]

Hi, I use a Zippy arcade joystick attached to my PC with an I-PAC

because I need a joystick in which the shaft doesn't rotate and I could remove to be shortened and machined narrower to fit a wheelchair chair handle.

I really want to attach a joystick to the QuadStick so that I can use the joystick as left or right stick of a Xbox controller.

I've been talking to Andy from Ulimarc.com and he said the Ultrastik 360 shaft rotates so it won't be suitable for me.

If I got something like this https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184919316124?hash=item2b0e0cd69c:g:Gp0AAOSwk8lg4CGH USB encoder would that make my switch joystick USB compatible with the QuadStick?

Thanks Glenn

[Fred Davison]

Have you tried the IPAC with the Quadstick?

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[Glenn Manning]

Thanks Fred, stupid me forgot that the IPAC can emulate a gamepad to.  So would I just set the IPAC software to gamepad mode, set each switch input to P1 RJoy-L, P1 RJoy-R, P1 RJoy-U and P1 RJoy-D and then put this in my config sheet (once I connect the USB cable to the back of the QuadStick):

right_joy_left	normal	usb_1_left
right _joy_right	normal	usb_1_right
right _joy_up	normal	usb_1_up
right _joy_down	normal	usb_1_down

[Fred Davison]

It is worth a try.  I could get an I-PAC if it doesn't just work.  Make sure you are on the latest firmware

[Glenn Manning]

Thanks Fred, I will give it a try and let you know how it goes.  Thanks again for your help.

[Fred Davison]

Here's a config that can help map out the inputs from the device:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FPgkbM7WGs6ffF8BD5W5c2Zobs9mJDha46JzM0ZRnpQ/edit#gid=2012570822

[Glenn Manning]

Thanks, quick question though, what cable do I need to connect the I-PAC to the QuadStick?  At the moment the I-PAC just has the standard USB and none of my carers can get it into the back of the QuadStick?

[Glenn Manning]

Don't worry about that last question, I got one of my carers to take my QuadStick off so I could look at the back and what do you know, the USB cable fits!

[Glenn Manning]

Hi Fred, I don't think it's working correctly or it's not compatible here's what I have done:

* Installed firmware 2328 on the QuadStick

* Set the IPAC software to gamepad mode while attached to the PC and set each switch input to P1 RJoy-L, P1 RJoy-R, P1 RJoy-U and P1 RJoy-D (tested perfectly in joy.cpl)

* Connected IPAC to USB port in the back of the QuadStick

* Copied the config sheet you linked UltraStik Tester to the QuadStick

* Opened notepad

* Switched the QuadStick to the UltraStik Tester config sheet

When I switched to the config sheet a constant stream of the following started:

123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456123456

It kept going until I switched config sheets.

Would you have any suggestions?

Thanks

[Fred Davison]

Those would be the button or switch inputs.  The joystick inputs are on the regular game controller inputs.  Use https://gamepad-tester.com/ for them.

You could delete the kb_xxx rows if you want to concentrate on the joysticks.

[Glenn Manning]

Does it matter that the 123456123456 started without me even touching the joystick?

[Fred Davison]

Those numbers are for the button inputs.  Not the joystick inputs.

kb_1	normal	usb_1_button_1
kb_2	normal	usb_1_button_2
kb_3	normal	usb_1_button_3
kb_4	normal	usb_1_button_4
kb_5	normal	usb_1_button_5

The joysticks are a different set of outputs:

left_joy_left	normal	usb_1_left
left_joy_right	normal	usb_1_right
left_joy_up	normal	usb_1_up
left_joy_down	normal	usb_1_down
right_joy_left	normal	usb_2_left
right_joy_right	normal	usb_2_right
right_joy_up	normal	usb_2_up
right_joy_down	normal	usb_2_down

Make a copy of the config.  Delete all the kb_xxx button rows and load that in.

[Glenn Manning]

Yeah I just wasn't sure why anything would be outputting on those inputs since I have only programmed P1 RJoy-L, P1 RJoy-R, P1 RJoy-U and P1 RJoy-D on the IPAC.

I deleted all the kb_xxx button rows copied the config sheet to my existing XBox 360 emulation spreadsheet I use for Fifa, started https://gamepad-tester.com/ switched to my Fifa spreadsheet and switched the the tester sheet and none of the zippy / IPAC joystick movements are recognised?

[Fred Davison]

It will require writing a special driver for it.   I'll have to get one.

[Glenn Manning]

I don't want to be a pain and that sounds like a lot of work for you guys, given that there's probably not that many people using an IPAC.  I will email Andy from Ultimarc.com and see if it is possible to get an UltraStik 360 with a shaft that won't rotate / spin?

[Fred Davison]

I have not had much time to work on the software lately.    It would be worth doing a driver for the I-PAC because sometimes people want a bunch of digital inputs and they are currently forced to use an UltraStik or an ATEC computer interface.   I'd love to do a driver for the XAC if only for all the switch inputs.

The mechanics of the Ultrastik just won't allow any way to prevent the shaft from rotating.

[Glenn Manning]

They have the U360 Flight Stick that has a shaft with a flange with flats on it that stops it from rotating but unfortunately it is hollow so I wouldn't be able to machine it narrower to fit a winged wheelchair handle on top and the parts aren't interchangeable between the U360 models.  I have just emailed Andy to see if the shaft on the U360FS is removable and if it is something I could remove and copy making a custom solid shaft with a flange with flats on it?

[Glenn Manning]

I've just placed an order for the UltraStik 360FS, hopefully I can have a new custom shaft machined.

[Glenn Manning]

Hi Fred,

I was just wondering if you could tell me how you have the U shaped BodyPoint wheelchair handle attached to the UltraStik you sell on your site?  I have one attached to my Zippy joystick but had to get the handle machined narrower and shortened, then I had to make an aluminium version of the rubber sleeve that originally comes with the BodyPoint otherwise there was too much play using the rubber sleeve.

I only ask because I received my US360 FS version which has a hollow handle so machining it narrower is not an option.  I think trying to shorten the handle to the length I need and then figuring out a way to attach the BodyPoint to the hollow handle will be easier than trying to machine a new solid handle for the  US360 FS.

Thanks for your help.

Glenn

[Fred Davison]

I drill out the hole in the stem of the  bodypoint handle to just under the diameter of the narrow shaft ultrastik then press fit it in place.

[Glenn Manning]

Great, thanks for that.  I think I will end up doing something similar.

I've never used any peripheral devices attached to the QuadStick but I use a button switch attached to the I-PAC, I just took the 3.5mm jack off the end and exposed the wires.  So I don't have to spend another $120AU on a big button switch, would I be ok getting a 3.5mm jack and re-attaching the wires?  Is there a danger in damaging the QuadStick if I don't connect the wires the right way?

[Fred Davison]

That should be fine.

[Glenn Manning]

Great, thanks!

[Sean]

For those "lucky" to have enough use of an arm to control a joystick I have reverted back to the Ultrastick cherry top ball.

In conjunction with a plastic egg cup screwed through the medical wrist support built-in mental support strip.

To get a nice suction grip on the ball I add as necessary sticky pads works really well with no slipping off.

Transformed my FPS fun.

(Picture better than a thousand words)

Cheers Sean aka seanthequad

[Glenn Manning]

That's genius Sean!  This is my setup (picture attached).  I have no feeling in my arms or hands and even though my movement is fairly good in my left arm my strength is pathetic lol.  So the main issue I have is trying to find that perfect tension in the joystick where I can rest my hand on the joystick without it registering any movement but have it loose / weak enough so I can actually move it.  Pulling back on the joystick is virtually impossible for me as I don't get enough grip.

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