[Interest] Very old wait cursor on Mac OSX
Tony Rietwyk
Using Qt 4.8.1 commercial, on Mac OSX 10.7.3.
I'm setting the wait cursor during long running database operations using
QApplication::setOverrideCursor( QCursor(Qt::WaitCursor) )
On Windows 7, it shows the correct spinning blue circle. On OSX, it shows
the a cursor with four quadrants - 2 white and 2 black, which is very old,
and not anti-aliased, so it looks really ugly. I expect to see the spinning
rainbow cursor, or possibly the circle of short lines that appears when
logging in.
Note: We also use the Firebird database client via QSqlIbase driver, which
shows the old wristwatch cursor - though I suspect that is the Firebird code
itself.
Hopefully, someone can advise a Mac specific call that will workaround the
problem, eg, to load the spinning rainbow cursor, so we don't have to build
Qt ourselves.
Thanks!
Tony.
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Konstantin Tokarev
02.04.2012, 11:50, "Tony Rietwyk" <to...@rightsoft.com.au>:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Using Qt 4.8.1 commercial, on Mac OSX 10.7.3.
>
> I'm setting the wait cursor during long running database operations using
>
> QApplication::setOverrideCursor( QCursor(Qt::WaitCursor) )
>
> On Windows 7, it shows the correct spinning blue circle. On OSX, it shows
> the a cursor with four quadrants - 2 white and 2 black, which is very old,
> and not anti-aliased, so it looks really ugly.
It isn't ugly, it's oldschool :)
BTW, according to [1] "most folks using Mac OS X consider the beach ball a sign of a hung/broken application"
[1] http://lists.apple.com/archives/cocoa-dev/2004/Feb/msg01184.html
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Dair Grant
On 2 Apr 2012, at 08:50, Tony Rietwyk wrote:
> On Windows 7, it shows the correct spinning blue circle. On OSX, it shows
> the a cursor with four quadrants - 2 white and 2 black, which is very old,
> and not anti-aliased, so it looks really ugly. I expect to see the spinning
> rainbow cursor, or possibly the circle of short lines that appears when
> logging in.
Unfortunately Cocoa doesn't provide a built-in "wait" cursor; however the spinning B&W quadrant is the historical "I'm busy" cursor so is arguably the correct one to use.
Mac OS X's Java implementation has an updated version of that cursor but unfortunately it's not available to non-Java apps:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/raza/2721851036/>
The spinning rainbow cursor is an indication that the app has stopped responding to events, which is a separate situation from "I'm busy working on something". If the app has stopped responding to events, users will assume it's OK to force quit it (and clicking the app icon in the Dock at that point will show "Force Quit" rather than "Quit").
The spinning bars activity indicator is not meant as a cursor - that's intended to be shown in a window.
Adobe did actually use the activity indicator as a cursor at one point, however a lot of people find it confusing (it would be like changing the cursor to a progress bar):
<http://reliablybroken.com/b/2010/05/death-or-beachball/>
The lack of a wait cursor in Cocoa is really down to how Apple want cursors to be used. Ideally the app should always show an arrow/non-wait cursor, should display progress using an activity indicator/progress bar, and always respond to the user's input.
If you're in a task which just can't be stopped, the user needs to see a window-modal sheet or app-modal dialog explaining what's going on (ideally with a Cancel button to let them interrupt it, and a progress bar/activity indicator to show them something's happening).
-dair
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Konstantin Tokarev
02.04.2012, 12:21, "Dair Grant" <da...@refnum.com>:
> On 2 Apr 2012, at 08:50, Tony Rietwyk wrote:
>
>> О©╫On Windows 7, it shows the correct spinning blue circle. О©╫On OSX, it shows
>> О©╫the a cursor with four quadrants - 2 white and 2 black, which is very old,
>> О©╫and not anti-aliased, so it looks really ugly. О©╫I expect to see the spinning
>> О©╫rainbow cursor, or possibly the circle of short lines that appears when
>> О©╫logging in.
>
> Unfortunately Cocoa doesn't provide a built-in "wait" cursor; however the spinning B&W quadrant is the historical "I'm busy" cursor so is arguably the correct one to use.
>
> Mac OS X's Java implementation has an updated version of that cursor but unfortunately it's not available to non-Java apps:
>
> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫<http://www.flickr.com/photos/raza/2721851036/>
BTW, similar cursor is present in WebKit's "Resources" directory (see attachement).
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Konstantin
Tony Rietwyk
Thanks-you for your very thorough explanation.
Using an animated strip graphic similar to what MS Outlook 2010 does seems
to be a good solution for my app.
Tony.