Video Cues and No Pro Video Licence

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C

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Feb 15, 2012, 1:36:00 PM2/15/12
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I'm working on a production at the moment and part of it requires 2
video cues as well as a few audio cues. I read on figure53 website
that "A Pro Video license is required to reactivate Video Cues that
have been saved to disk"

Just so I understand this correctly, am I correct in saying that I can
play video cues using QLab but I just can't save the project with the
video cues included? Therefore I can save the show to disk, open QLab,
load the project, and re-import the 2 video cues before each rehearsal/
performance.

At the risk of being called a cheap skate, I really can't afford a Pro
Video Licence and I can't justify it for 2 cues. I'm aware about the
ability to rent licenses but again for the amount of rehearsals and
shows we have, we just don't have the budget. We're an amature drama
group.

Thanks

Christopher Ashworth

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Feb 15, 2012, 1:40:34 PM2/15/12
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On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:36 PM, C wrote:
>
> Just so I understand this correctly, am I correct in saying that I can
> play video cues using QLab but I just can't save the project with the
> video cues included? Therefore I can save the show to disk, open QLab,
> load the project, and re-import the 2 video cues before each rehearsal/
> performance.

That is correct.

Best,
Chris

C

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Feb 15, 2012, 2:18:03 PM2/15/12
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Charles Coes

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Feb 15, 2012, 2:30:06 PM2/15/12
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You can rent it for just that production!
Chris et all have written fabulous software for us, and it is their livelihood. If they can afford a projector, they can afford $3/day for their projection cues.

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sam kusnetz

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Feb 15, 2012, 9:04:45 PM2/15/12
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> At the risk of being called a cheap skate, I really can't afford a Pro
> Video Licence and I can't justify it for 2 cues. I'm aware about the
> ability to rent licenses but again for the amount of rehearsals and
> shows we have, we just don't have the budget. We're an amature drama
> group.

i'm sorry to say this, but if you can't afford even to rent the video license at three dollars a day, then you really can't afford video.

you're running the same software that drives broadway, the west end, regional theater, and the olympics, and you're running it on a computer that costs anywhere from $500 to $3500, and you're running it through a projector which i would imagine costs anywhere from $500 to $2000.

at three dollars per day, the video license costs less than what *each* of you company members likely spends on coffee. it's cheaper than lunch. for an eight show week, it's around the same price as a roll of gaff tape per week.

chris, sean, and the rest of the figure 53 team have gone out of their way to make this affordable and easy for theaters in exactly your situation, and i think it's our responsibility to try to get through to producers who won't put up the cash.

cheerio
sam
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Andy Dolph

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Feb 15, 2012, 9:55:36 PM2/15/12
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM, sam kusnetz <s...@notquite.net> wrote:

chris, sean, and the rest of the figure 53 team have gone out of their way to make this affordable and easy for theaters in exactly your situation, and i think it's our responsibility to try to get through to producers who won't put up the cash.

amen 

ra byn (robin)

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Feb 16, 2012, 12:56:32 AM2/16/12
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Figure 53 has chosen to allow the use of video without any license (very
smart). They have allowed a user who is willing to go to the trouble of
manually reloading cues as many times as they like to have video as many
times as they like. Why the need for further conversation?

Figure 53 could of made it where you can't do any video without a license
of some sort but they chose not to. How about letting the non pro user who
is willing to suffer manually doing things over & over enjoy their Qlab
experience without the guilt trip.

Where the poster made their mistake was assuming that this list is a safe
place to ask such an honest & innocent question. It should be such a place
in my view.

To the original poster, "when you are ready & have the budget for a pro
license, Qlab will take care of you. In the meantime, enjoy QLab!

ra byn

C

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Feb 16, 2012, 5:57:06 AM2/16/12
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Jesus, this isn't the response I expected, but lesson learnt. In my
defence, this group is an amateur drama group. We already
spend a significant amount of our own cash on insurance, and
performance rights. There is no budget for tech at all. The laptop is
my own
and I use it for my own job separately. We have about 4 tech
rehearsals and 15 non consecutive performances so even though it may
not seem like a lot
the group just won't pay for it. We're not using a projector, the
community hall have an LCD tv that we're using. And it's literally 2
video cues that are 30seconds long each.
And finally, if the day ever does come when I'm working on a
professional production where there is a budget for things like this I
know exactly what software I'll be turning to.
All because I can use QLab for free at the moment and I really like
and trust it. If I had to pay for it I wouldn't be so used to it. So
give me a break.

Paul Gotch

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Feb 16, 2012, 6:17:54 AM2/16/12
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 02:57:06AM -0800, C wrote:
> All because I can use QLab for free at the moment and I really like
> and trust it. If I had to pay for it I wouldn't be so used to it. So
> give me a break.

Please remember that many people on this list make their living from
professional sound design. I think the main point is that any group be
it professional or amateur must recognise the true cost of what they
are doing and technical budget is just as important as other costs such
as rights and should be considered at the initial planning phases of a
show. This is the same line of reasoning that leads to doing charity
events at cost but not for free.

I know from my own experience that unless the group is presented with
the actual cost of what they want then an expectation is set that the
same level of technical service will be provided for free the next
time.

Constructively if you have access to a Windows PC then you could play
your video back using http://www.screenmonkey.co.uk and then you won't
have to re-create the queues in Qlab for each show.

Also technically your characterisation of the way video Qs work is
slightly wrong. The Qs are saved to disk but they can't be reloaded
without a video license.

The quote the producers

"The two cardinal rules of producing. One: Never put your own money in
the show. "

"And two?"

"Never put your own money in the show!"

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C

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Feb 16, 2012, 6:31:54 AM2/16/12
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Point taken, I completely understand what you're saying, and I agree.
But personally I feel like I've already put enough of my own money
into the show. I completely respect and appreciate the work
that has gone into QLab, it's an absolute workhorse when it comes to
live theatre. And as I said when the time comes when I do have a
budget I'll be spending it on QLab. It is unfortunate that producers
expect so much for free but I don't think I can change this teams mind
at this stage. I'm just trying to do my job.

On Feb 16, 11:17 am, Paul Gotch <paulg+q...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 02:57:06AM -0800, C wrote:
> > All because I can use QLab for free at the moment and I really like
> > and trust it. If I had to pay for it I wouldn't be so used to it. So
> > give me a break.
>
> Please remember that many people on this list make their living from
> professional sound design. I think the main point is that any group be
> it professional or amateur must recognise the true cost of what they
> are doing and technical budget is just as important as other costs such
> as rights and should be considered at the initial planning phases of a
> show. This is the same line of reasoning that leads to doing charity
> events at cost but not for free.
>
> I know from my own experience that unless the group is presented with
> the actual cost of what they want then an expectation is set that the
> same level of technical service will be provided for free the next
> time.
>
> Constructively if you have access to a Windows PC then you could play
> your video back usinghttp://www.screenmonkey.co.ukand then you won't
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