[QLab] Question HOW TO Create MIDI COMMAND in Logic Pro

[AFAFR...@aol.com]

Hi List,

 

first of all, you all helped me before so greatly that my Show in Germany was such a success.

I added the TC HELICON VoiceLive2 to my Equipment and played arround a little bit with it

today and was VERY HAPPY when i figured out that QLAB will "steer" the Machine with

MIDI Commands (Control Command)

 

The PERFECT solution now for me would be if i can run my MIDI File with the "lighting"

instructions sent to DMXIS and have a secon one running with my commands to

switch ON/OFF the Reverb, Harmonys etc.

 

In Logic Pro i was able to create a Midi File on Channels 15 to controll Lighting, but seem

to be unable to figure out how to create a "Midi Control Change" File.

 

VoiceLive2 works when i just execute the Midi Commands  with the Setting Control Change,

i just like to have it synced to the Music File.

 

Any Tips, hope i was clear, if not, ask me , Language Barrier in effect ,-))

Marian

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If you already have it all working in Logic, you should be able to monitor
what Logic is sending out, capture that & set it up in Qlab via this app.

http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/

Something to remember is that the MIDI standard is some what loose. Some
designers use Midi note 1 thru 127 while others use 0 thru 126. So maybe
you're just off by one note / command, etc...

Please clarify,

Are you wanting to have Qlab to "PLAY" a midi file along while the music
file or just commands at specific points in the audio cue? For example, a
group that contains the audio file & then X number of midi commands that
all go at once but are spaced via PREWAITs)???

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[AFAFR...@aol.com]

>If you already have it all working in Logic, you should be able to monitor
>what Logic is sending out, capture that & set it up in Qlab via this app.

 

I have it set up so the MIDI Works and is sending MIDI to the Lighting

Software.

 

>Are you wanting to have Qlab to "PLAY" a midi file along while the music

>ile or just commands at specific points in the audio cue? For example, a
>group that contains the audio file & then X number of midi commands that
>all go at once but are spaced via PREWAITs)???

 

Right now i have the AUDIO File and the MIDI File Playing simulanous.

I basically could send the Controll Commands as single commands but

would prefer to add them into a midi Track so it works in tune with the

other two Files.

 

When i do this "manually" i add

MIDI MESSAGE COMMAND with the Value CONTROLL CHANGE
Channel 7
Control 112
Value 64

 

and it works.

So now i am basically looking to have this "command" in a Midi File so

i can change the Settings of the device in SYNC with the Music to add

and change Reverb, Harmonys, effects during the song

[Rich Walsh]

On 7 Jul 2011, at 22:56, AFAFR...@aol.com wrote:

> Right now i have the AUDIO File and the MIDI File Playing simulanous.
> I basically could send the Controll Commands as single commands but
> would prefer to add them into a midi Track so it works in tune with the
> other two Files.
>
> When i do this "manually" i add
> MIDI MESSAGE COMMAND with the Value CONTROLL CHANGE
> Channel 7
> Control 112
> Value 64
>
> and it works.
> So now i am basically looking to have this "command" in a Midi File so
> i can change the Settings of the device in SYNC with the Music to add
> and change Reverb, Harmonys, effects during the song

If you've got the control change messages in a MIDI track in Logic Pro then export that track as a MIDI file and add it to QLab to play at the same time as the audio file. Just right-click a region and choose "Export as MIDI File..."

Rich

[AFAFR...@aol.com]

>If you've got the control change messages in a MIDI track in Logic Pro then export that track as a MIDI file >and add it to QLab to play at the same time as the audio file. Just right-click a region and choose "Export >as MIDI File..."

 

Rich, that's exactly what i want to do (and do with the Lighting) however, i cannot seem to figure out

how to add "Controll Messages" in Logic Pro, i only get the normal notes roll to ad the midi notes.

 

[Rich Walsh]

I don't really use Logic Pro myself, but you need to look at "Hyper Draw" and/or the "Event List" (cmd-0). If you create an empty MIDI region it's quite easy to figure out how to add control change messages to it in the Event List. Once you get some in there you can reveal the Hyper Draw display with the button that looks like horizontal faders in the Piano Roll and then just drag them around like automation nodes. The popup menu allows you to choose which CC you are looking at.

[Andy Dolph]

I would sugest doing the control messages with timed qlab cues rather then doing them in logic - I think you're going to find it MUCH easier and less time consuming.

a tip on how to structure it in qlab:

create a group cue set to fire all children simultaneously, put all of your control change cues in it, and then use  the prewait times to control when they go - by doing it that way each cue's prewait is timed from when the group cue fires (and therefore is independent of all the other cues in the group...)

so if the first thing in your group cue is the audio file with a prewait of 0

then you just enter a prewait for each control change cue  which is essentially how long into the music track you want that control change to fire.

does that make sense?

Andy

[Jeremy Lee]

Or, if it's working in Logic, can you not save the MIDI as an SMF and play it back directly in QLab?

Jeremy Lee
- A thumb is a terrible speller. Please forgive my trespasses.

[AFAFR...@aol.com]

I would sugest doing the control messages with timed qlab cues rather then doing them in logic - I think you're going to find it MUCH easier and less time consuming.

a tip on how to structure it in qlab:

Thanks Andy, i did that with lighting before i figured out the Logic Pro Way, since the changes are

frequent and need to be in sync with the song i would rather have it in a Midi File that's just plays

along with the song.

 

I got some other good tips, i will be out trying them out.

thanks so far - didn't think it was that different with Controll Commands then with Midi Notes

[AFAFR...@aol.com]

that's my Problem, the normal MIDI Notes work perfect, just unable to figure out how to send

Controll commands

[AFAFR...@aol.com]

>I don't really use Logic Pro myself, but you need to look at "Hyper Draw" and/or the "Event List" (cmd-0). If >you create an empty MIDI region it's quite easy to figure out how to add control change messages to it in >the Event List. Once you get some in there you can reveal the Hyper Draw display with the button that >looks like horizontal faders in the Piano Roll and then just drag them around like automation nodes. The >popup menu allows you to choose which CC you are looking at.

Hi Rich,

i am almost giving up ,-)  spent three hours with Logic Pro, could not figure it out.

Can anyone here who is good with Logic Pro maybe create a MIDI File for me

in which there is a Controll Command on Channel 7  with the Value of 116

 

Maybe i am just off by something small and can recreate it then ?

 

would be so cool if someone has an idea

 

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Probably best posted to the Logic User Group...

http://www.logicprohelp.com

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On Fri, July 8, 2011 4:27 pm, AFAFR...@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> i am almost giving up ,-) spent three hours with Logic Pro, could not
> figure it out.
> Can anyone here who is good with Logic Pro maybe create a MIDI File for
> me
> in which there is a Controll Command on Channel 7 with the Value of 116
>
> Maybe i am just off by something small and can recreate it then ?
>
> would be so cool if someone has an idea

[Rich Walsh]

On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:27, AFAFR...@aol.com wrote:

> i am almost giving up ,-) spent three hours with Logic Pro, could not figure it out.
> Can anyone here who is good with Logic Pro maybe create a MIDI File for me
> in which there is a Controll Command on Channel 7 with the Value of 116

Make a Logic Pro file. Make a MIDI track. Right-click an empty section of the track, "Create empty MIDI region". Click on new region, press cmd-0, click "Create", click "Controller". Adjust values as needed. Close the Event List window. Click "Piano Roll". Click the "Hyper Draw" button under the vertical piano keyboard (it looks like 3 tadpoles swimming west). Use the pencil to draw more events, and the pop up menu above the "Hyper Draw" button to choose which Control Change you are looking at.

I'll send you the Logic Pro file, but I've made it for CC112 @ 64 on channel 7 (as per your earlier email) as there aren't enough parameters in your request above.

Rich