[QLab] Surround sound options?

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funkyape

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Mar 1, 2010, 11:39:50 AM3/1/10
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Equipment using - Art Tubefire8 firewire audio interface, macbook pro
- currently free QLab version (waiting license for pro bundle).

I've read the posts on here and still have a few questions with
surround sound - I haven't seen answered? From what I understand my
options are:


1. Create a surround sound file from Logic Pro (or similar) -
importing this and triggering this from within Qlab - with and this is
the bit I'm still unsure about - the audio output automatically of the
surround file mapped to the first 6 faders (if 5.1 file)? Is this
correct?

or

2. Bounce multiple files for each 'pair' of speakers (obviously not
true surround) from Logic Pro and run these together in Qlab. (I can
except slight timing drift as not critical).

My preference is option 2 - due to not using strict 5.1 speaker setup
- instead having something like quadraphonic but with 6 speakers and
subs?!

The thing I dont understand is this...

(apologies I'm running the free version - awaiting pro license which
may solve this?) - If I use option 2, and run multiple audio cues
together - am I right in thinking that I can still allocate different
sound cues to different hardware audio outputs? If so, is this done
in the inspector (with the waveform) pull-down list or in the 'levels'
tab in the inspector? Would this be with the mixer faders or with a
matrix mix?

One final thing - I have an 8 channel interface setup (I realise this
wont work with free version as its limited to stereo) - but in the
'audio setup' - to get the 8 channel output, do I need to patch
devices 1-8 to the 'Art firetube8' or are these a 'level above' and
classed as 8 different hardware devices? (i.e. only plug device 1 into
interface and within that device are the 8 channels 'hidden'?)

Thanks for your help - hope that all makes sense?! Enjoying the QLab
expereince...
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Steven Devino

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Mar 1, 2010, 12:48:32 PM3/1/10
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On Mar 1, at  Mar 1, 2010 11:39 AM, funkyape wrote:

1.  Create a surround sound file from Logic Pro (or similar)  -
importing this and triggering this from within Qlab - with and this is
the bit I'm still unsure about - the audio output automatically of the
surround file mapped to the first 6 faders (if 5.1 file)? Is this
correct?

Yes. But see below.

(apologies I'm running the free version - awaiting pro license which
may solve this?) - If I use option 2, and run multiple audio cues
together - am I right in thinking that I can still allocate different
sound cues to different hardware audio outputs?  If so, is this done
in the inspector (with the waveform) pull-down list or in the 'levels'
tab in the inspector?  Would this be with the mixer faders or with a
matrix mix?

One final thing - I have an 8 channel interface setup (I realise this
wont work with free version as its limited to stereo) - but in the
'audio setup' - to get the 8 channel output, do I need to patch
devices 1-8 to the 'Art firetube8' or are these a 'level above' and
classed as 8 different hardware devices?

No. When you get your pro license you will see that the matrix allows routing of any channel to any output. So a mono file would be a 1x8 a stereo would be a 2x8 a 6 channel file will be 6x8. Its up to you to dial in the routing you want on a cue by cue basis to each output.

I personally found that its easier for me to design from the speaker back to the source. I decide what I want in each speaker and set up the sources to provide it via the matrix. So I might have some sources go to more than one speaker and others go only to a particular one.  i.e. you can get a kind of "quad" effect from a stereo source by sending stereo Left to front Left and rear Right, then Stereo Right the opposite way. Then you can blend some right and left where needed as well.

Make sense? It will when you get your license.

Steve


Sean Dougall

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Mar 1, 2010, 1:29:39 PM3/1/10
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As Steve said, it'll probably make more sense when you have the
license, but you may also want to check out the tutorial on signal
flow (http://figure53.com/qlab/tutorials/2-1.php). If I understand
your question right, all 8 channels will show up as one device, so you
just need one patch into that device, and you'll be routing the
individual channels in the Levels tab of the inspector.

Sean


On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:39 AM, funkyape wrote:

> One final thing - I have an 8 channel interface setup (I realise this
> wont work with free version as its limited to stereo) - but in the
> 'audio setup' - to get the 8 channel output, do I need to patch
> devices 1-8 to the 'Art firetube8' or are these a 'level above' and
> classed as 8 different hardware devices? (i.e. only plug device 1 into
> interface and within that device are the 8 channels 'hidden'?)

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funkyape

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Mar 2, 2010, 9:57:44 AM3/2/10
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> No. When you get your pro license you will see that the matrix allows routing of any channel to any output. So a mono file would be a 1x8 a stereo would be a 2x8 a 6 channel file will be 6x8. Its up to you to dial in the routing you want on a cue by cue basis to each output.
>
> I personally found that its easier for me to design from the speaker back to the source. I decide what I want in each speaker and set up the sources to provide it via the matrix. So I might have some sources go to more than one speaker and others go only to a particular one.  i.e. you can get a kind of "quad" effect from a stereo source by sending stereo Left to front Left and rear Right, then Stereo Right the opposite way. Then you can blend some right and left where needed as well.
>

Steve

Many thanks for your help. I wondered whether the 'pro license' would
alleviate my concerns and it it seems it will do what I want to
achieve. Many thanks for putting my mind at rest! I concur with
designing from the speaker back to source - this is the way I work -
albeit not on Qlab yet...?! Thanks again.

Brian

funkyape

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Mar 2, 2010, 10:00:41 AM3/2/10
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On Mar 1, 6:29 pm, Sean Dougall <s...@figure53.com> wrote:
> As Steve said, it'll probably make more sense when you have the  
> license, but you may also want to check out the tutorial on signal  
> flow (http://figure53.com/qlab/tutorials/2-1.php). If I understand  
> your question right, all 8 channels will show up as one device, so you  
> just need one patch into that device, and you'll be routing the  
> individual channels in the Levels tab of the inspector.
>

Sean, thanks for your help. That does make sense - thanks for
clearing up the individual channel routing question.

Brian

raymond soly

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Mar 2, 2010, 10:17:34 AM3/2/10
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why not rent a pro audio for a day?....$3.

Ray

Jon Hughes

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May 30, 2015, 10:17:19 AM5/30/15
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I've sorted out a really effective way of using Qlab and surround sound - with Reaper and Soundflower.

see here:


if that link doesn't work then just put 'Qlab, Reaper, Soundflower and ambisonic Bformat cues' into Google...
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