Re: [QLab] How to save multi-channel wav in Logic

[Mick Ritchie]

I never use daws to bounce multiple files together - Logic used to do some unpredictable things
reordering files was down to its 5.1 7.1 focus I think. I would render the 8 files to 8 mono's and then use de-interleaver or soundfilesmerger both freebies to create the multichanel file. De interleaver does interleave as well but sound files merger allows drag and drop

Ive found having the monos does make it quick to redo one of the files and join again if need be

mick
On 9 Dec 2012, at 01:14, Jeromy Hopgood wrote:

> Ok, I've been looking this over for a bit now and I'm starting to feel daft. Can someone please illuminate me as to the method of saving a file as a mutichannel wav in Logic? I have bounced some surround files, but I don't feel like this is the easiest method. Ideally, I would loike to have the 8 individual tracks of my Logic file saved as individual channels within the saved file so I can then send them to whichever output channel I like in my sound system. Hope this makes sense.
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[Fergus Mount]

Hi Jeremy, 

I have always found Twisted Wave a very very good wav editor for working with multitrack files. Not free but quite cheap. I agree with Mick about not using the DAW to create the final files. I always bounce out in mono and then use and external program to make the multitrack BWAVs. 

Fergus

[Dave Tosti-Lane]

Yes, I thought to myself, that shouldn't be so hard, but wow, it is tedious, isn't it!
Audacity, on the other hand, makes it very easy. I think Reaper is not so difficult either.
Logic's insistence on using the specific surround formats probably makes sense for their primary audience, not so much for us.

Dave

[Daniel Perelstein]

+1 for multitrack in Reaper.
Dan

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[Jeromy Hopgood]

Thanks for the tips. I felt certain that tthis should be much easier than using multiple applications. Guess that was a bad assumption on my part! =)

[apmcc...@gmail.com]

You can also export all tracks as audio files rather than bounce and then play them as a fire all children simultaneously group cue. This allows you to have as many tracks as you wish and apply volume automation envelopes individually which you can't on a multi track file. Particularly useful if you are creating the content but not able to play it back on the intended system.

[Jeremy Lee]

You can indeed do any kind of volume adjustment/ fade on a multitrack audio file. Dig into the matrix mixer some more...

Jeremy Lee
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On Dec 10, 2012, at 8:02 PM, "apmcc...@googlemail.com" <apmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can also export all tracks as audio files rather than bounce and then play them as a fire all children simultaneously group cue. This allows you to have as many tracks as you wish and apply volume automation envelopes individually which you can't on a multi track file. Particularly useful if you are creating the content but not able to play it back on the intended system.
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[Jeremy Lee]

I use SoundFilesMerger.  Create all your stems (mono/ stereo/ whatever) and drop it in here to make a nice multitrack file...

http://www.e--j.com/?page_id=197

On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Jeromy Hopgood wrote:

Ok, I've been looking this over for a bit now and I'm starting to feel daft. Can someone please illuminate me as to the method of saving a file as a mutichannel wav in Logic? I have bounced some surround files, but I don't feel like this is the easiest method. Ideally, I would loike to have the 8 individual tracks of my Logic file saved as individual channels within the saved file so I can then send them to whichever output channel I like in my sound system. Hope this makes sense.

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[Mark Valenzuela]

I used to use multitrack WAV files in QLab 1, but since 2 has come out, it just seems easier to throw the mono files in QLab, fire them simultaneously, & patch to outs as needed. With guaranteed sync it has seemed to work fine. I'm curious to know why some people prefer multitrack files. Are there advantages to using them other than file syncing and the extra computer resources needed to configure it that way?

[Dan Perelstein]

Mark,

With multitrack files, I can adjust master level easily in one place instead of having to adjust each (also allows me to use absolute fades when appropriate, whereas grouping mono files requires use of relative fades to perform master operations, which of course is better in some contexts than others). 

Speaking of mastering operations -- if I want to change EQ, fx settings, compression, or something else on the master level, I'm making a single adjustment in my DAW, rendering a single file. 

Also, for me, I've got enough files to manage with my frequent versioning without having to keep track of labeling, organizing, etc, multiple tracks individually. That said, for me this works because my primary DAW renders multitracks on its own. Of course, some of the solutions suggested in this thread have similar problems in terms of dealing with large numbers of stems. 

The only time in which I'll use many mono files instead of a multitrack is it I need to be able to easily change timing between cues with flexibility. 

Hope this helps, Mark! Congrats once again on last night's work!

Dan

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[Jeromy Hopgood]

Well, for me, I normally use multiple cues in one grup, as well. I find it more functional to go back through and change individual cues this way without having to rebounce the entire file. Since I am a professor, though, I always try to show my students multiple ways of doing things. I teach Logic and QLab in a Lighting and Sound course. I had mentioned multichannel files and the ability to route out the separate channels to outputs and some students were trying to figure it out in Logic. If I were doing an installation, (or something where there was less collaboration/director input) I might go with the multichannel approach, but it doesn't fit the way I like to work with most theatrical productions.

[Jeremy Lee]

Also, ease of cueing to a certain spot in tech or rehearsal is super useful. Not as easy with groups...

Jeremy Lee

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Mark Valenzuela <markval...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

[Jeremy Lee]

The Guaranteed Sync setting can get you in real trouble. They will stay in sync, but you'll potentially lose the top of audio.

For me, looping/ vamping/ devamping and efficiency of programming and workflow mean I always use multi track files for multi track playback. Easy to see in one mixer window what's going on and what's going where.

But the glory of QLab is that you can do it your way and I can do it mine!

Jeremy Lee

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Mark Valenzuela <markval...@fastmail.fm> wrote: