CD from cue list

[rmurphy]

Hello all-

I'm sometimes asked to supply a CD of the audio cues in a Qlab cue list. Any way to pull this off without manually reproducing it in iTunes or Peak?

Ron Murphy

[ra byn taylor]

Unfortunately no. 

What I do (as you have suggested) is catch each cue sequence in real time & then clean up the head & tails. 

Not ideal but there is no simple way to reproduce something as complex as what is possible in Qlab other than in realtime & as audio.

ra byn

[raymond soly]

you could use audio hijack pro http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/, run it in the background (while rehearsing !!) and set it to capture your Qlab sequences directly from your audio device ….. .then burn them to a cd….there is some minimal scripting available in audio hijack….but you could specify a new track to be recorded every time there are xx. seconds of silence for example……you can also record direct to your audio editor of choice and burn directly from the hijack's record bin…..

Ray

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[M. Florian Staab]

If you're running multi-track output from QLab, you can use Soundflower to internally route the QLab outputs to your DAW inputs and then do a straight multi-track record of your QLab show. It still requires some post work to get it to a CD, but then you have a full record of the cues as they happened.

Cheers,

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[Ronald Murphy]

Thank you all for your answers. I did know I could just record it (I have audio hijack), but with >100 sound cues, the post-recording work of splitting them into individual events was daunting. The suggested Apple script that creates a new event on silence is intriguing.

Ron Murphy

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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list
From: st...@mac.com
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:47:44 -0400
To: ql...@googlegroups.com

[El Armstrong]

If you have Amadeus pro, you could also record the show to it and have AP split it to files automatically for you. 

Best,

El

Spel chekt by Aple. 

[Ronald Murphy]

Yes, I see that now. I didn't know it could do that. This could change everything. Thanks. I wonder if Peak does that too, and I again didn't realize it.

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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

From: news...@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:36:29 -0600
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[Willo]

Do you have Audio Hijack Pro? It's not an "Apple script" in AH Pro, it's a selection in your recording preferences. It might be the same in your version.

Go to the Recording tab and you'll see a title "Silence Monitor". It's off by default, but you can select "start new file". Look under "Custom" to choose what level of sound and what duration constitutes a silence gap that warrants a new file. (You could also use it to "remove silence" if that's what you'd prefer.)

Of course, the recording you get will have play durations, fades etc fixed as per how you hit your GO cues on the day, but recorded under show conditions it'll be reasonably close.

Craig

[Jeremy Lee]

How would it possibly know when fades and overlapping cues would happen? For a simple/ one file per cue/ one cue at a time show just bundle it and build a cd from the files in toast or iTunes.

I've simply never seen the need for this. 99% of the SMs in the world have a Mac laptop, and you can condense a multi-out show to work with even the free version of QLab. 

Jeremy Lee

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On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Ronald Murphy <murphy...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks again to all who responded. But because I like to complain, I'm still hoping for that large button labeled "burn all cues to disc as separate events" so I don't have to do this in real time. But that's just me.

Ron

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:02:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

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[Ronald Murphy]

Thanks again to all who responded. But because I like to complain, I'm still hoping for that large button labeled "burn all cues to disc as separate events" so I don't have to do this in real time. But that's just me.

Ron

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:02:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

[Ronald Murphy]

For the typical theater performances I do, most audio cues are stand alone effects or songs that the director needs for rehearsing. A CD of the individual sounds/songs is what he wants.

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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

From: jerem...@jjlee.com
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:52:57 -0400
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[sam kusnetz]

i guess that's the punchline right there. ron, you say you want a burn-cues-to-cd function, jeremy asks about how it would handle fades and overlaps, and your response was "well, that's not a problem in the shows i do."

but for figure 53 to implement such a feature, they would need to consider these questions since every user of qlab has a different situation, a different style of working, and a different ideas of what a cd of their show would look like.

if you need to hear overlaps and fades, audiohijack or soundflower let you record your performance, not just blindly copy the material.

if you just need the tracks from your show, itunes burns CDs very nicely! 

cheerio

sam

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[Jeremy Lee]

That's supremely easy to do with iTunes or Toast (or any number of other CD Burning programs).

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[Ronald Murphy]

I know I can burn CDs in various applications, and I don't want to drag this out any further. But I create a >100 cue cue-list in Qlab, and more often than not the cues are independent with no fades, etc. THEN I want to burn a CD. The director just wants a CD of the cues in the right order so he can work with the actors. So now I have to drag the 100 sound cues into another application in the correct order. I'm just trying to avoid that duplication of effort.

Thanks for all of your thoughts on this.

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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:22:33 -0400
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[Rich Walsh]

That's an incredibly niche requirement…

Why don't you write yourself a script to renumber all the Audio Cues in your workspace consecutively and rename the source files by concatenating the Cue Number with the original filename – and then use your chosen authoring software to burn a CD using those files, which will conveniently now sort in order?

Or, use a shell script to "touch" each file in sequence and then sort by date modified?

Rich

[Jeremy Lee]

Audio Hijack is great, but you don't need any AppleScript to start a new file with it.  Just tell it to make a new file when it hears digital silence- it's built into the record feature in the program.

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[Jeremy Lee]

Don't forget that a CD can only contain up to 99 tracks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio

On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Ronald Murphy <murphy...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I know I can burn CDs in various applications, and I don't want to drag this out any further. But I create a >100 cue cue-list in Qlab, and more often than not the cues are independent with no fades, etc. THEN I want to burn a CD. The director just wants a CD of the cues in the right order so he can work with the actors. So now I have to drag the 100 sound cues into another application in the correct order. I'm just trying to avoid that duplication of effort.

Thanks for all of your thoughts on this.

[Ronald Murphy]

All these are great suggestions, and when I teach myself how to write scripts, I'll adopt one. I feel the need to point out I was never complaining but only wanting to know if there was a Qlab way. Thanks to all again!

Ron

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From: rich...@mac.com

Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:05:10 +0100
To: ql...@googlegroups.com

[Andy Leviss]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Ronald Murphy
<murphy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I know I can burn CDs in various applications, and I don't want to drag this
> out any further. But I create a >100 cue cue-list in Qlab, and more often
> than not the cues are independent with no fades, etc. THEN I want to burn a
> CD. The director just wants a CD of the cues in the right order so he can
> work with the actors. So now I have to drag the 100 sound cues into another
> application in the correct order. I'm just trying to avoid that duplication
> of effort.

With the caveat, as Jeremy pointed out, that there's a track count
limit to CD's, it's not hard to script using iTunes, and that'd be the
way to do it, since yours is quite a fringe case and not likely to be
added to QLab anytime soon. This solves your problem pretty easily
right away.

If you don't already have a script cue list in your workspace, make a
second cue list, put a script cue in it, set a hotkey trigger for that
script cue, and then paste this into it:

--PASTE FROM HERE
tell front workspace to set CueList to q name of current cue list

tell application "iTunes"
if exists (some user playlist whose name is CueList) then
set my_opts to (display dialog "This Playlist exists already: " &
CueList buttons {"Cancel", "Replace"} default button 2 with icon 0)

if button returned of my_opts is "Replace" then
try
delete user playlist CueList
end try
else
error number -128 --bail out of script
end if
end if

make new user playlist with properties {name:CueList}
end tell

set mySel to cues of front workspace
repeat with myCue in mySel
if q type of myCue is "Audio" then
set theFile to file target of myCue
tell application "iTunes"
add theFile to playlist CueList
end tell
end if
end repeat

tell application "iTunes"
activate
set view of front browser window to user playlist CueList
tell application "System Events"
try
tell process "iTunes"
click menu item "Burn Playlist to Disc" of menu 1 of menu bar item
"File" of menu bar 1
repeat until exists window "Burn Settings"
delay 0.5
end repeat
click radio button "Audio CD" of window "Burn Settings"
click button "Burn" of window "Burn Settings"
end tell
end try
end tell
end tell
--PASTE TO HERE

Now, select the cue list you want to burn. Hit the hotkey for that
script, and it will create a new playlist in iTunes with the same name
as the cue list, add all the tracks to the cue list in order, and then
burn the CD.

This will only work if you have "Enable access for assistive devices"
turned on in your system preferences, since iTunes won't let you
directly script burning a CD. There is only very minimal error
checking; if it finds a playlist with a name matching your cue list
already, it'll warn you and let you either replace that cue list, or
cancel.

HTH,
Andy

[Ronald Murphy]

Andy-

Thank you for the script! I've never used AppleScript, but I have some programming experience in other languages, so I can see what the script is doing. Of course I'm unfamiliar with the syntax, so if you don't mind some debugging, I get an error (Expected expression but found end of line) when attempting to compile (see attached). I googled this error but found nothing helpful. Any thoughts? Is this some character-return issue?

Thanks again,

Ron

> From: an...@ducksecho.com
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:38:08 -0400
> Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

[Matt Parker]

Get rid of the carriage returns on in these two lines and hit compile script

1st line to fix

set my_opts to (display dialog "This Playlist exists already: " & CueList buttons {"Cancel", "Replace"} default button 2 with icon 0)

2nd line to fix 

click menu item "Burn Playlist to Disc" of menu 1 of menu bar item "File" of menu bar 1

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[Jeremy Lee]

In this line:

Delete the carriage return after the ampersand.  That's likely an email formatting error...

<qlab script.pdf>

[Ronald Murphy]

GOOD LORD! It worked. Thanks to you all. I have my CD. (Or will. There's a new playlist in iTunes!)

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Subject: Re: [QLab] CD from cue list

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:04:02 +0000

[Richard B. Ingraham]

I’ve found this thread interesting, but one of the first things that popped into my head was why not just use the free version of QLab in the rehearsal hall?  That is what I have done for a few theatres that like to have full cue sequences available in the rehearsal hall.  Yeah sure there are features missing in the free version (duh!  It’s free)  but it’s usually plenty powerful enough for a rehearsal.  Most don’t need more than a stereo out for that.

 

It also has the added benefit that when you’re building a new show you can try timings out in the rehearsal hall.  Then take that Workspace file over to the theatre and use it either as a template to start building a show from or at least copy and paste particular cues from one show file to another.  Very handy.

 

Yes you will need a Mac in the rehearsal hall.  But it doesn’t need to be all that powerful of a machine for this purpose.

 

Just a suggestion.

 

 

Richard B. Ingraham

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www.rbicompaudio.20m.com

 

 

[Ronald Murphy]

Yes. Good idea.

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Subject: RE: [QLab] CD from cue list
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:22:44 -0400