Surround Panning

[Bruno Carneiro]

Hi! Ok, so I know there has been some discussion about this topic. But I didn't find the information I want, so here we are.

I'm building two surround projects right now, and while QLab will do any kind of panning that I need, sometimes it gets kind of cumbersome to move things around the 5.1 and 8.1. I'm curious, when you guys need to work intensely with surround panning, how do you do it? Thanks!!

[Daniel Perelstein]

I do it in Reaper (the DAW), using their free plugin ReaSurround, which allows you to work in a 3D n-channel environment. You can either select a standard format (i.e. 5.1, etc), or you can easily build your own using a very intuitive and simple gui (I find this much more useful than the standard formats for my theater systems).

You can then automate position in the environment by clicking and dragging the sound around your space.

Render in multichannel wav, right from Reaper, and import into qlab. Route 1-to-1 at your cross-points, adjust master faders as necessary, and it's done.

I've found it to be surprisingly easy, and surprisingly effective.

Dan

On Saturday, October 1, 2016, Bruno Carneiro <bcun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi! Ok, so I know there has been some discussion about this topic. But I didn't find the information I want, so here we are.

I'm building two surround projects right now, and while QLab will do any kind of panning that I need, sometimes it gets kind of cumbersome to move things around the 5.1 and 8.1. I'm curious, when you guys need to work intensely with surround panning, how do you do it? Thanks!!

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[Bruno Carneiro]

Hey Dan! Thanks a lot for the help, this ReaSurround plugin sounds awesome, plus you've introduced me to Reaper, which is very interesting!

But I have to say, it's still not quite what I was looking for. I wanted to be able to give position (a,b) to a sound, and then just cue it into position (c,d), and have the plugin move the sound between speakers for itself. I was able to do this with one MIDI cue for X, and one for Y. It works and sounds awesome, but it's still a little bit difficult to put together when you have a lot of sources and a lot of movement. Wouldn't it be awesome if we had this in QLab?? ;) 

Bruno

[micpool]

This thread has some information relevant to your application

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/qlab/rLp2roqvL4w/discussion

Basically it describes using LEMUR as a mono,stereo  or quad input to quad output panpot interface, which sets the matrix levels of a cue in QLab.

Last time I tested it there were problems with QLab dealing with the huge amount of OSC data created when using a continuously moving controller

For your application, where you want to have a quad position and crossfade with a fade cue to another panpot position, a variation on this example might achieve what is required. Basically you could modify it to calculate the matrix values for a single quad panpot position and then send that info via OSC to a selected  audio cue (probably initiated by a transfer fader levels button in LEMUR)

You could then create a fade cue, move the quad panpot to the new position and send the new required matrix levels via OSC to the selected fade cue.

Repeat as necessary.

So you would be using a LEMUR program as a programming helper (basically an xy coordinate to fader matrix calculator) , but the actual panning in performance would be handled by a series of QLab fade cues.

You could probably also  do something similar in MAX.

Mic

[Bruno Carneiro]

Awesome, mic! You're amazing. I'm going to start putting together something right now... Would you be able to share those lemur/qlab files? The wetransfer link is expired. Thanks

[micpool]

Here is a new link

https://we.tl/XdrkneGwYO

Best Regards

Mic

[Bruno Carneiro]

It works! Thanks a lot for the help...

https://vimeo.com/186001695

I had zero experience with Max before, so I had to borrow this spatializer project.

It's still very raw, but if you want to check it out it's attached.

Bruno

[Anthony Narciso]

I've asked for a true pan function in the past and was told that it could be a possibility in the future. Personally I would love to have some function where I can plot in speakers and just move a dot across a grid to pan the audio built right into QLab.

[Patrick Andrews]

I also would LOVE this as a feature right in QLab. Have a new iPad to try out this LEMUR stuff when I get a chance. Anything to avoid the pile of individual fade cues to make something move around the room.

[Jimmy Garver]

Yesterday (Nov. 5 2016) I had a chance to play around with a brand new product which - I think - is going to be very very useful to the theatrical sound design community. It's a software + plugin solution that allows you to pan across up to 64 channels of audio very very simply, literally by dragging a dot across a screen, as Anthony Narciso suggested. The plugin sits in a DAW and sends control + audio information to a stand-alone program. I did this all within the Ableton Live environment (at the LOOP conference in Berlin this weekend). Next step for me is to test and see if it will work in collaboration with QLab.

The product/solution is called The Sound OF The Mountain. Check it out here https://mntn.rocks  and please reply to this thread with what you discover!

[Rick Malone]

The URL is incomplete.  If you add .com to it, Firefox will not open due to security issues.   ??????

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[Jimmy Garver]

Hmm. Try just typing mntn into a browser search engine or maybe try this https://mntn.rocks/#introducing  I believe that .rocks is now a domain name (like .com or .org or .net)

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:10:21 AM UTC+1, Soundrick wrote:

The URL is incomplete.  If you add .com to it, Firefox will not open due to security issues.   ??????

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Jimmy Garver <james...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday (Nov. 5 2016) I had a chance to play around with a brand new product which - I think - is going to be very very useful to the theatrical sound design community. It's a software + plugin solution that allows you to pan across up to 64 channels of audio very very simply, literally by dragging a dot across a screen, as Anthony Narciso suggested. The plugin sits in a DAW and sends control + audio information to a stand-alone program. I did this all within the Ableton Live environment (at the LOOP conference in Berlin this weekend). Next step for me is to test and see if it will work in collaboration with QLab.

The product/solution is called The Sound OF The Mountain. Check it out here https://mntn.rocks  and please reply to this thread with what you discover!

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 5:11:46 AM UTC+2, Patrick Andrews wrote:

I also would LOVE this as a feature right in QLab. Have a new iPad to try out this LEMUR stuff when I get a chance. Anything to avoid the pile of individual fade cues to make something move around the room.

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[Rick Malone]

That URL works.  Thank you.

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[Bruno Carneiro]

For future reference, there's a better version of the patcher here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qlab/R5PjmKJQ4hk