Can you teach ChatGPT to program in Shen? - an open invitation to Shenturions

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

I recently tried teaching Shen to ChatGPT 4.0 when I noticed that it 

(a) Was aware of Shen but ...

(b) Gave totally erroneous answers to simple questions.

So I set out to teach it.  My initial impression was positive.  ChatGPT did indeed learn quite quickly and there is a transcript of the exchange at https://shenlanguage.org/gpl.txt.

I wondered how ChatGPT discriminates between good and  bad teaching.  How does it know that I am not teaching it rubbish?   Well it turns out that isn't a problem because ChatGPT doesn't remember what you teach it! 

This rather dashed my hopes of creating ChatGPT as an online tutor in Shen.  But I hit on a solution.  Make the transcript of our exchange available for ChatGPT to read.  Then theoretically, it could pick up where it left off.   So I did and its now an open experiment

for everybody to try.

As you see the prompt I begin with is

I want you to read this transcript of a ChatGPT session on programming in Shen - https://shenlanguage.org/gpl.txt

Have a go and see where you get.  Any useful transcript of your interaction posted here as an attachment will be appended to the https://shenlanguage.org/gpl.txt text and hopefully we as a community can educate ChatGPT.  

We'll find out something about ChatGPT.    Either it will learn well and we'll have a fantastic resource for helping people learn Shen.  Or it will not learn well, in which case we'll have something to write about to the guys in OpenAI.  

Mark

[Boring Coder]

You can create a custom gpt  : https://chatgpt.com/gpts

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

There's a lot of info on that page.  Which app on there is pertinent here?

Mark

[Bruno Deferrari]

I think he means the "create" button at the top-right corner. You can create your own custom ChatGPT chats with extra context. In this case you would teach it Shen, then save it as a new ShenGPT chat that already knows more about Shen.

You will give it the instructions on the left-side, and the chat where you can test the results will be on the right side.

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BD

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

This is what I get if I click on the create button.

https://chatgpt.com/gpts#pricing

That just offers premium versions of the same technology.    Basically ChatGPT4o  

but not for a limited session.   Or have I missed something somewhere?

M.

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

I'm asking this question of ChatGPT now.

  How can I produce a tailored version of ChatGPT with special knowledge?  

https://chatgpt.com/share/22d00568-6f37-4fe7-b3f2-be947f6af7c1

M.

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

You'll see the reply is not specific; it doesn't say download this or use that.

M.

[Bruno Deferrari]

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 6:35 PM dr.mt...@gmail.com <dr.mt...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is what I get if I click on the create button.

https://chatgpt.com/gpts#pricing

That just offers premium versions of the same technology.    Basically ChatGPT4o  

but not for a limited session.   Or have I missed something somewhere?

M.

Being able to create custom GPT chats is one of the features of the plus plan (at least for now):

https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/

 

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BD

[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

Right.  We could not as a group, teach ChatGPT that way, 

because we would have to pay $30 per month per user in a group

of 549 members.   I wanted something which we could all

contribute to  and use as a group.  So we need to converge on the free version.

There has to be some centralisation to ensure that that training 

data was sound.   But by working as a group we can make the

task lighter.

Mark

[Dave C]

We might have more luck fine-tuning one of the open models on Shen, if access and quality are both concerns.

Aeonik

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[dr.mt...@gmail.com]

The conversation with ChatGPT on training is on https://chatgpt.com/share/22d00568-6f37-4fe7-b3f2-be947f6af7c1

M.

[Bruno Deferrari]

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 7:36 PM dr.mt...@gmail.com <dr.mt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Right.  We could not as a group, teach ChatGPT that way, 

because we would have to pay $30 per month per user in a group

of 549 members.   I wanted something which we could all

contribute to  and use as a group.  So we need to converge on the free version.

There has to be some centralisation to ensure that that training 

data was sound.   But by working as a group we can make the

task lighter.

I don't think you can train it from multiple accounts anyway. Each user would be creating a different version.

The way it would work is that a single user will create a new Shen GPT chat, traint it and publish it so that other users can use it. But the training can only come from a single user.

 

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BD

[Boring Coder]

I am not sure, but I think it can be achieved using the api, by creating an app that multiple users will use. but it won't be free.

Also you can try the playground, it is a good way to experiment with. 

https://platform.openai.com/playground/

Overview - OpenAI API

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning

Also similar from google 

https://aistudio.google.com/