Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis
Van Hayden
>Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis
>
>PM told British 'no conspiracy' behind October Crisis: newly
>declassified files
>
>Bruce Wallace
>The Ottawa Citizen
>
>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
Government.
In the same article Quote" In his October 16 letter to Prime
Minister Trudeu asking Ottawa to grant police extraordinary powers,
Qubec Premier Robert Bourassa declared his province was " facing a
concerted effort to intimidate and overthrow the governmnet and the
demcratic institutions of this province through planned and systematic
illegal action including insurrection."" Unquote.
Quote:" Montreal Police Chief Michel St Pierre also wrote Trudeau
arguing that the kidnappings of Cross and Laporte on Oct 10
represented " the lauching by this movement of their seditious
projects and acts leading the the overthrow of the state." Unquote.
This article also stated that Sharp is recorded as saying " the War
Measures Act was clearly to broad in its effect", which is why Ottawa
was then in the process of introducing a less draconian public order
law.... " Unquote
London. By Bruce Wallace - Vancouver Province January 6, 2001 Page A6.
Based on these facts it is very apparent that Trudeu acted as he did
at the urging of both the Quebec Government and the Montreal Police
Chief and the War Measures Act was the only tool that Trudeau had to
grant the requested powers to Quebec and the police.
So I would strongly suggest that you and all the other separatists get
your facts right and consider your very own Provincial Governments
role in this matter and stop blaming the Federal Government who
reacted to a provincial request. So you see once again Rogers getst
caught in his his attempt to revise history by conveniently omitting
basic and important facts. But hey what else is new.
Cheers
Van
Van Hayden
>Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis
Time lines of the crises were:
5 October 1970 - Cross and Laporte kidnapped.
15 October 1970 - Quebec Premier Bourassa wrote Trudeu claiming an
insurrection amonst other things and requested Canadian Armed Forces
to supplement the local police. Montreal Police Chief also writes
Truedeau claiming the same thing.
16 October 1970 - Federal Governmnet proclaims the War Measures Act.
17 October 1970 - Laporte's body found in a car trunk.
Early December 1970 - the Cell holding James Cross was discovered and
his release was negoiated.
December 1970 - The War Measures Act was replaced by the Public Order
( Temporary Measures) act.
Early January 1971 - the second cell responsible fro the kidnapping
and murder of Laporte was located and arrested.
30 April 1971 - The Public Order ( Temporary Measures) Act lapsed.
This confirms the Bruce Wallace articles previously quoted.
Cheers
Van
Clem _
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Van Hayden ,,,,
Thanks for all these words ,,!
so you're just making it clear
these guys were True Patriots
Bourrassa ,,,,, went on the wrong way ...
It's only that much ,,!
old clem_
Manou
van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
> >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>
> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> Government.
Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to accept!
But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
Québécois!
--
Manou
«Je déteste les victimes quand elles aiment leurs maîtres» - Jean-Paul
Sartre
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http://www.deja.com/
Yanik Crepeau
faire injure à son intelligence que de croire que les demandes de la Ville
de Montréal et du Gouvernement du Québec étaient la seule motivation pour
décréter la loi sur les mesures de guerre.
Monsieur Trudeau A UTILISÉ la "crise d'Octobre" pour se faire du capital
politique. Deux ans plus tôt, en juin 1968, vingt-quatre heures avant son
élection, il avait fait de la provocation en allant s'assoir à la tribune
d'honneur durant le défilé de la Saint-Jean Batiste. Les quelques bouteilles
qui ont été lancées sur la tribune officielle lui ont bien servi. On peut
facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé durant
le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents.
Yanik
Don
news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
> > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >
> > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> > Government.
>
> Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
> the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> Québécois!
The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
with your life.
Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies. I won't be checking
back to read it. Of course, I have no doubt at all that you will reply as
you're so full of spite and anger, you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
and blame it on federalist Canada.
HG
> the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> Québécois!
You're pathetic, simply pathetic.
Le_Verseau
du KKK s'amusait royalement au cours du milieu du siècle dernier.
Le_Verseau
«Dans l'histoire de l'humanité, l'holocauste est l'exemple le plus
monstrueux, unique, de la barbarie d'un état à l'égard d'un peuple dont on a
programmé l'extinction. Cela dit, il n'exclut pas la souffrance horrible de
d'autres peuples victimes de génocide et de cruauté de la part d'États
oppresseurs.»
Yves Michaud
Yanik Crepeau a écrit dans le message ...
Manou
Manou
"Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
> >
> > > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> > > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> > > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> > > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> > > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> > >
> > > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> > > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> > > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> > > Government.
> >
> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
> accept!
> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> > Québécois!
>
> The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
> Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important
I know that!
>to get so much attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> with your life.
You owe us BILLIONS of dollars, sweetie... Of COURSE it does not bother you
that MY people had to pay for YOUR peoples's debts!
>
> Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies.
Typical canadian democracy... I will answer when I want and if I want... :-p
> I won't be checking back to read it. Of course, I have no doubt at all that you will reply as
> you're so full of spite and anger,
I am full of passion and love. :-D
> you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
> and blame it on federalist Canada.
That is one of the most stupid thing I heard in here.
CONGRATULATIONS!
:-p
Tata!
Manou
chemo
whats new about boths working together?
forgot to mention it maybe?
"Van Hayden" <van_h...@Xtelus.net> a écrit dans le message news:
3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21...
chemo
"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> a écrit dans le message news:
ndX56.2560$O8.2...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
chemo
ça se demande pourquoi on veut faire du Québec, un pays...
une de ces raisons est le genre de commentaires insipide basé sur une
propagande haineuse envers les "fucking frogs", que je lis jours après jours
sur ce forum et, bien sur, can.politics et leur versions provinciales... Je
veux rien avoir a faire avec cet bande d'auto-suffisants racistes
Vive le Québec Libre! Nous Vaincrons!
Souverainement vôtre,
PatrioteQC
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"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
Albert Camus
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"Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news:
93aa36$qsf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
HG
As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim that
the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.
Manou
You reduce the problem, you make it look simple and stupid, so it becomes
possible for you to call us pathetic. Poor strategy.
Clem _
>In article <MMf66.3171$O8.3...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
> "HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>> > You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.
>>
>> As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim that
>> the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.
>>
No wonder you feel , you are to take care of us
And the question should rather be
Who's pathetic
We don't need , we don't want you
to take care of us
You've been doing it , too long already
No hardfeelings ,,,! Come on ,,!
clem_
Le_Verseau
>méchant anglo-typique ce Don, après ça,
>ça se demande pourquoi on veut faire du Québec, un pays...
>une de ces raisons est le genre de commentaires insipide basé sur une
>propagande haineuse envers les "fucking frogs", que je lis jours après
jours
>sur ce forum et, bien sur, can.politics et leur versions provinciales... Je
>veux rien avoir a faire avec cet bande d'auto-suffisants racistes
>Vive le Québec Libre! Nous Vaincrons!
>Souverainement vôtre,
>PatrioteQC
>
est trop évidente......
Le_Verseau
«Dans l'histoire de l'humanité, l'holocauste est l'exemple le plus
monstrueux, unique, de la barbarie d'un état à l'égard d'un peuple dont on a
programmé l'extinction. Cela dit, il n'exclut pas la souffrance horrible de
d'autres peuples victimes de génocide et de cruauté de la part d'États
oppresseurs.»
Yves Michaud
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Clem _
>-
>>----------------------
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
>>Albert Camus
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
clem_
Le_Verseau
dani...@videotron.ca a écrit dans le message ...
>
> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
>Danièlle
>
>
>
dani...@videotron.ca
<Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:
>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot
>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....
Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.
Revoici tes mots, ver sot:
|||"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot
|||Mais jamais notre Danièlle va dénoncer ça..... sa promiscuité salynienne
|||est trop évidente......
Et j'ai mis ceci comme réponse à ton message:
|>>
|>> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
|>>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
|>>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
|>><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
|>>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
|>>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
|>>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
|>>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
|>>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
|> >Danièlle
Maintenant cette image montrant les hommages que la fille de
Gil Morisset [Gilmo] rendait à Pierre E Trudeau se trouve sur mon site
http://pages.infinit.net/dff/hommage_trudeau.gif
Si montrer que moi j'aime mieux rendre hommage à René
Lévesque.. fait de moi une CONNE comme tu dis.. j'accepte ce
compliment venant de toi, ver sot !
Voici ce qu'est ma vision de MON PAYS.. le QUEBEC !
Fichier sous format FLASH environ 700 Kb
Gens du PAYS de Gilles Vigneault:
http://pages.infinit.net/dff/gens_du_pays_1.html
Quand toi "Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot, tu
seras capable d'affirmer avec ta vraie identité toutes les sottises
que tu viens écrire ici.. peut-être que tu pourras te permettre de
cracher sur mon option POLITIQUE qui est l'indépendance du Québec.
Plus je te regarde aller, toi et la p'tite gang de sots.. je vois que
votre but n'est que de nuire à l'indépendance du Québec ! Lâchez pas..
vous êtes après réussir !
Danièlle
http://pages.infinit.net/dff/course.html
dani...@videotron.ca
<Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:
>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot
>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....
Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.
Revoici tes mots, ver sot:
|||"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot
|||Mais jamais notre Danièlle va dénoncer ça..... sa promiscuité salynienne
|||est trop évidente......
Et j'ai mis ceci comme réponse à ton message:
|>>dani...@videotron.ca
|>>
|>> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
|>>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
|>>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
|>><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
|>>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
|>>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
|>>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
|>>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
|>>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
|> >Danièlle
Van Hayden
>the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
>whats new about boths working together?
>
>forgot to mention it maybe?
No not at all. I was talking about the article. Rogers didn't quote
the all the article.
There is no proof that that the provincial Liberals and the feds were
working togeather. Show me the proof.
Cheers
Van
Marc Dufour
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dani...@videotron.ca, le Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:28:08 -0500
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis - hommage_trudeau.gif"
:
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>On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:13:17 -0500, "Le_Verseau"
><Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:
>
>
>>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot
>>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....
>
>
> Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
>et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
>prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.
Oh, écoute, Pétassine, tu n'amuse plus qui que ce soit, avec tes giries.
Alors, s.v.p., écrase, tu veux?
-- Marc Dufour ---------- http://www.respublica.fr/lugalle -------- --
Le Canada a deux langues officielles: l'anglais et le français.
Canada has one official language: english.
Van Hayden
wrote:
>In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
>> >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>>
>> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>> Government.
>
>Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
>Québécois!
Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.
Cheers
Van
Marc Dufour
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dani...@videotron.ca, le Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:49:56 -0500
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis - hommage_trudeau.gif"
:
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>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
Oh, écrase, tu veux, Pétassine???
Marc Dufour
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van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:31:42 GMT
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
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>On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:
>>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>
>You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>Government.
Big deal! Both Bourassa and Drapeau were liberals, so, therefore, totally
subordinated to the power central in Ottawa...
Van Hayden
>>In article <HPU56.235204$_5.529...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,
>> "Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
>>> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>>> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
>>> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
>
>>> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>>> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
>>> accept!
>
>Robert Bourassa was leading a COLLABORATION government.
>He was executing the colonizers' directives as any lackey is expected
>to.
Provide the proof. Also provide the proof that the Montreal Police
Chief was also a lacky while you are at it.
Cheers
Van
Van Hayden
wrote:
>In article <HPU56.235204$_5.529...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,
> "Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
>> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
>> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>> >
>> > > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>> > > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>> > > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>> > > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>> > > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>> > >
>> > > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>> > > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>> > > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>> > > Government.
>> >
>> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
>> accept!
>> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
>> > Québécois!
>>
>> The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
>> Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important
>
>I know that!
If you know that you are full of bullshit then why do you insist in
coming back for more.
>>to get so much attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
>> with your life.
>
>You owe us BILLIONS of dollars, sweetie... Of COURSE it does not bother you
>that MY people had to pay for YOUR peoples's debts!
We owe you sweet fuck all my fine feather separatist twit. Your people
did not pay our debts because they haven't been paid off yet. Good
greif sometimes your comments are so stupid and ignorant and without
FACT. DO YOU GET IT MANOU . You are all bullshit.
>> Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies.
>
>Typical canadian democracy... I will answer when I want and if I want... :-p
Then expect the same shit back
>> you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
>> and blame it on federalist Canada.
>
>That is one of the most stupid thing I heard in here.
Not any more stupid then some of your remarks. He is just making a
valid comment because the separartits including you blame everything
that is wrong wrong with Quebec on the ROC.
Cheers
Van
Marc Dufour
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Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:33:20 -0500
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
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> Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
>
> How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
>
> clem_
(J'ai cru, un moment, voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé à ma
killfile)...
Marc Dufour
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"Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:23:19 GMT
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
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>The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
>Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
>attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
>with your life.
One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your finances,
why don't you kick us out?
And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us from
the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
Inquiring minds needs to know.
Peter S. Saly
"Marc Dufour" <lug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tr2l5tgqpm11crbpc...@4ax.com...
>
> ==============================================================
> Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:33:20 -0500
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
> >
> > How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
> >
> > clem_
>
> (J'ai cru, un moment, voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé
à ma
> killfile)...
>
Pour quelqu'un qui ne rien savoir de moi..
Tu passes beaucoup de ton temps a parler de moi..
Et plus drole encore, tu passes beaucoup de ton temps a me repondre..
Clem _
Marc Dufour avait écrit ..
>
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
>>Albert Camus
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
>> How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
>>
>> clem_
>
"
>(J'ai cru, un moment,
> voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé à ma killfile)...
>
>-- Marc Dufour -------
>
Clem revient ,,
Marc Dufour , vous n'aviez pas inclus la fameuse phrase
Je l'ai replacée en haut ,, puis la voici encore
Rien de moins , rien de plus ...
clem_
>
-----
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations"
>>Albert Camus
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Merci Marc Dufour ,,,
Clem _
wrote:
====================================================================
Come on Van Hayden
Things got to start somewhere ,,!
They only killed one dirty fed
Was it by mistake ,,,???
Aren't you trying to revise history , yourself ,?
clem_
Clem _
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:47:20 GMT, Manou <patriot...@my-deja.com>
============================================================================
Robert Bourassa a toujours fait , ce que lui disait Ottawa
C'est son bon côté ,, il a ainsi acheté la paix
Il n'a jamais été MON homme ,,, mais il a acheté la paix
Au référendum , lui savait ce qui se passerait avec un OUI
Il était convaincu , qu'Ottawa envahirait le Québec
Arrêterait l' Assemblé Nationale ,, comme traîtres
Lui le savait ,, alors il a fait ce qu'on lui disait
Ce fut ainsi , jusqu'à l'échec de sa vie
Le Canada , et le Québec disent NON
Alors là , il comprend ,, et parle
Pour la première fois , il dit publiquement
Sa fameuse phrase ,, était-ce ,,? --------
Quoi que l'on dise , quoi que l'on fasse
Le Québec est libre de choisir seul son destin
Etc , etc , etc ,,,,,
Venant de cet homme ....
C'était , et c'est encore beaucoup
Lui ,,, ne pouvait faire plus
C'est donc encore , et encore
une chose à revoir ,,,
c;em_
Clem _
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:21:36 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:
=============================================================
Van Hayden ,,,
I admit ,, F.L.Q. existed , and were active
On the other hand , you must admit
that all of this CRISIS ,, was nothing
but Ottawa ,, framing Québécois
clem_
Clem _
wrote:
==========================================================
On est pas encore à couper les ponts
Voilà l'explication ,, ça viendra cependant
La plus élémentaire cellule sur terre
--- va vers son bonheur
Pourquoi douterions-nous de vos intentions
vous essayez de vous faire aimer ,,,
comme tout être humain ,!
Seulement ,,,
Vous vous prenez pas de la bonne façon
Regardez ,, moi je ne vous dis pas de bêtises
Rappelez-vous votre jeunesse ,,,,
Vous n'aviez pas juste le mal dans la tête
du moins ,, je l'espère ,,,!
Si vous le vouliez , vous pourriez être meilleur
Allez ,,, faites un effort
clem_
HG
> >Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so
much
> >attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> >with your life.
>
> One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
> within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your
finances,
> why don't you kick us out?
Since when do countries kick out "insignificant" or "burdensome" regions?
> And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us
from
> the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
>
> Inquiring minds needs to know.
No one hates anyone here. Firstly, you don't represent the people of
Quebec - secondly, you should learn to take criticism without getting overly
emotional and calling it hate.
HG
>
> ==============================================================
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:31:42 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:
>
> >>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> >>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >
> >You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> >Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> >order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> >Government.
>
> Big deal! Both Bourassa and Drapeau were liberals, so, therefore, totally
> subordinated to the power central in Ottawa...
Very very lame response.
HG
> In article <MMf66.3171$O8.3...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
> "HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote:
> > > You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.
> >
> > As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim
that
> > the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.
> >
>
> You reduce the problem, you make it look simple and stupid, so it becomes
> possible for you to call us pathetic. Poor strategy.
Reduce what problem? You stated that federalists walk hand in hand and want
to screw Quebec - if you truly believe that federalists want to screw
Quebec, then, yes, you are pathetic.
HG
Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net> wrote in message
news:nusj5tonrgco495ic...@4ax.com...
Killing a federalist is okay... a new addition to the list of Quebec
Separatist bigots on Usenet:
1. Rodgers
2. Dufour
3. Clem
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
D:
==>>The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
==>>Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
==>>attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
==>>with your life.
==>One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
==>within canada?
Because you folks represent English Canada's only reliable source of
poutine.
==> If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your finances,
==>why don't you kick us out?
Because English-Canadians know well that although they may have a
stranglehold on Canada's political and economic power, Quebec is the
repository of the nation's soul.
Without Quebec, Canada is just a tedious collection of bankers with
crypto-Scottish accents and long-term memberships in Club Med.
==>And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us from
==>the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
You are wrong, mon ami. Anglo Canadians don't hate you. They are,
however, jealous as hell of you because they suspect -- rightly, I
reckon -- that Quebecois have far more fun than they do.
That's why Quebecers, if they're still pissed off over that business
on the Plains of Abraham, shouldn't separate, they should stick around
and continue to rub their Anglo brothers' noses in it for as long as
possible.
--
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon
the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible
worlds, if there were no religion in it!'"
-John Adams.
"Amen."
- Ivan Gowch <go...@hotmail.com>
Don
> "Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:23:19 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
> >Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so
much
> >attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> >with your life.
>
> One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
> within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your
finances,
> why don't you kick us out?
>
> And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us
from
> the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
>
> Inquiring minds needs to know.
A Vulcan you would never make. Your logic is unfounded. Nowhere did I say
that I hate Quebecers or want Quebec out. My comments were directed at one
single individual. Where is it written that I must like or agree with
everyone?
Some inquiring minds only hear what they want to.
Don
> >> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >>
> >> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> >> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> >> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> >> Government.
> >
> >Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and
directed
> >the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> >Québécois!
>
> Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
> bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
> Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
> boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.
As long as French Seperatists are doing the killing, Manou is all for it.
Peter S. Saly
Apparently, according to clem it's perfectly OK to kill "a dirty fed"..
That's so typical..
According to the SS, it was OK to kill a "dirty jew" or a "dirty gypsy"..
According to the Serbs, it was OK to kill "a dirty croat" or "a dirty
Albanian"..
According to the Khmer Rouge, it was OK to kill "a dirty intellectual"..
According to the Tutsi, it was OK to kill " a dirty Hutu".
According to the Hutus, it was OK to kill " a dirty Tutsi"
And we are not going to get into what was OK to kill under the communists in
Russia, China, Korea, and many other
And now clem comes with another variant of this barbaric justification
About the killing of Pierre Laporte by the FLQ,
Peter S. Saly
TIens...
Mainteannt les separa-tatas comme clem vont essayer de nous faire croire que
la FLQ etait une branche du federal...
Pfffft..
PAs surpris que ce pauvre con imagnine que 1999= 2000 et que le 2ieme
millenaire s'est termine le 31 Decembre 1999...
Mais c'est vrai qu'il existe du monde assez stupide pour avaler n'importe
quelles betises...
Le_Verseau
comprenait le sens de ma réplique. Je vais être plus explicite. Il avait
écrit :
>Yanik Crepeau a écrit dans le message ...
>>En fait, M. Trudeau n'a pas fait qu'exagérer la "crise d'Octobre", c'est
>>faire injure à son intelligence que de croire que les demandes de la Ville
>>de Montréal et du Gouvernement du Québec étaient la seule motivation pour
>>décréter la loi sur les mesures de guerre.
>>Monsieur Trudeau A UTILISÉ la "crise d'Octobre" pour se faire du capital
>>politique. Deux ans plus tôt, en juin 1968, vingt-quatre heures avant son
>>élection, il avait fait de la provocation en allant s'assoir à la tribune
>>d'honneur durant le défilé de la Saint-Jean Batiste. Les quelques
>bouteilles
>>qui ont été lancées sur la tribune officielle lui ont bien servi. On peut
>>facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé
durant
>>le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
>>Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
>>Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents.
>>Yanik
Et j'avais répondu :
>Très juste comme message, par ailleurs, je suis convaincus que les membres
>du KKK s'amusait royalement au cours du milieu du siècle dernier.
>
Je pense tout de même que c'est pas difficile à comprendre. Tu écris : "On
peut
facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé durant
le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents"
Pour ma part, je suis tout à fait en accord avec cette affirmation, et je
crois que c'est le cas de tous les despotes et Polpot du monde, de tous les
racistes et en fait de tous les criminels qui s'amuse du sort de leurs
victimes. J'ai pris l'exemple du KKK qui devait s'amuser au milieu du siècle
dernier au dépend des noirs qu'ils suppliciaient, je vais terminer en te
laissant une copie d'un document qui fait parti des archives nationales du
Canada et ça se passe au moment de la déportation des Acadiens :
Lettre du capitaine Alexander Murray au colonel John Winslow,
Fort Edouard, 8 septembre 1755.
"Cher monsieur, - J'accuse réception de votre lettre, et je dois vous dire
que je suis content d'apprendre que tout va bien à la Grand-Prée et que
les pauvres diables sont si résignés. Ceux d'ici (Piziquid, aujourd'hui
Windsor) ont montré plus de patience que j'en attendais de gens dans leur
situation et je suis grandement surpris de constater l'indifférence des
femmes qui sont réellement ou paraissent indifférentes à leur sort.
Quand je pense à ceux d'Annapolis, je me réjouis de les avoir sommés de
venir au rendez-vous. Je crains qu'il y ait des pertes de vie avant que
nous ayons terminé le rassemblement; vous savez que nos soldats les
détestent et qu'ils profiteront de tout prétexte pour les tuer…
Je suis des plus heureux d'apprendre que votre camp est en sûreté et puisse
servir (comme dit le Français) de bonne prison pour les habitants. J'ai
hâte de voir ces pauvres infortunés embarqués et notre tâche terminée;
alors je m'accorderai le plaisir de vous faire une visite et nous boirons à
leur bon voyage.
Peter S. Saly
"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
news:aPA66.3545$O8.5...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Isn't it interesting how people like manou have to believe that they are
hated...
It appears that that is the only way they can justify their extreme
positions..
To put themselves as victims....