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Van Hayden

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Jan 6, 2001, 10:31:42 PM1/6/01
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

>Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis

>
>PM told British 'no conspiracy' behind October Crisis: newly
>declassified files
>
>Bruce Wallace
>The Ottawa Citizen
>
>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."


You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
Government.

In the same article Quote" In his October 16 letter to Prime
Minister Trudeu asking Ottawa to grant police extraordinary powers,
Qubec Premier Robert Bourassa declared his province was " facing a
concerted effort to intimidate and overthrow the governmnet and the
demcratic institutions of this province through planned and systematic
illegal action including insurrection."" Unquote.

Quote:" Montreal Police Chief Michel St Pierre also wrote Trudeau
arguing that the kidnappings of Cross and Laporte on Oct 10
represented " the lauching by this movement of their seditious
projects and acts leading the the overthrow of the state." Unquote.

This article also stated that Sharp is recorded as saying " the War
Measures Act was clearly to broad in its effect", which is why Ottawa
was then in the process of introducing a less draconian public order
law.... " Unquote

London. By Bruce Wallace - Vancouver Province January 6, 2001 Page A6.


Based on these facts it is very apparent that Trudeu acted as he did
at the urging of both the Quebec Government and the Montreal Police
Chief and the War Measures Act was the only tool that Trudeau had to
grant the requested powers to Quebec and the police.

So I would strongly suggest that you and all the other separatists get
your facts right and consider your very own Provincial Governments
role in this matter and stop blaming the Federal Government who
reacted to a provincial request. So you see once again Rogers getst
caught in his his attempt to revise history by conveniently omitting
basic and important facts. But hey what else is new.


Cheers
Van

Van Hayden

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Jan 6, 2001, 10:51:06 PM1/6/01
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

>Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis

Time lines of the crises were:

5 October 1970 - Cross and Laporte kidnapped.

15 October 1970 - Quebec Premier Bourassa wrote Trudeu claiming an
insurrection amonst other things and requested Canadian Armed Forces
to supplement the local police. Montreal Police Chief also writes
Truedeau claiming the same thing.

16 October 1970 - Federal Governmnet proclaims the War Measures Act.

17 October 1970 - Laporte's body found in a car trunk.

Early December 1970 - the Cell holding James Cross was discovered and
his release was negoiated.

December 1970 - The War Measures Act was replaced by the Public Order
( Temporary Measures) act.

Early January 1971 - the second cell responsible fro the kidnapping
and murder of Laporte was located and arrested.

30 April 1971 - The Public Order ( Temporary Measures) Act lapsed.

This confirms the Bruce Wallace articles previously quoted.

Cheers
Van

Clem _

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Jan 6, 2001, 11:54:39 PM1/6/01
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Van Hayden ,,,,

Thanks for all these words ,,!
so you're just making it clear
these guys were True Patriots

Bourrassa ,,,,, went on the wrong way ...
It's only that much ,,!

old clem_

Manou

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Jan 7, 2001, 12:05:51 AM1/7/01
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In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:

> >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>
> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> Government.

Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to accept!
But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
Québécois!

--
Manou

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Yanik Crepeau

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Jan 7, 2001, 12:23:12 AM1/7/01
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En fait, M. Trudeau n'a pas fait qu'exagérer la "crise d'Octobre", c'est
faire injure à son intelligence que de croire que les demandes de la Ville
de Montréal et du Gouvernement du Québec étaient la seule motivation pour
décréter la loi sur les mesures de guerre.

Monsieur Trudeau A UTILISÉ la "crise d'Octobre" pour se faire du capital
politique. Deux ans plus tôt, en juin 1968, vingt-quatre heures avant son
élection, il avait fait de la provocation en allant s'assoir à la tribune
d'honneur durant le défilé de la Saint-Jean Batiste. Les quelques bouteilles
qui ont été lancées sur la tribune officielle lui ont bien servi. On peut
facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé durant
le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents.

Yanik


Don

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Jan 7, 2001, 2:23:19 AM1/7/01
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"Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
> > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >
> > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> > Government.
>
> Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
> the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> Québécois!

The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
with your life.

Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies. I won't be checking
back to read it. Of course, I have no doubt at all that you will reply as
you're so full of spite and anger, you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
and blame it on federalist Canada.

HG

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Jan 7, 2001, 5:20:46 AM1/7/01
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> Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
> the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> Québécois!

You're pathetic, simply pathetic.


Le_Verseau

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Jan 7, 2001, 10:59:40 AM1/7/01
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Très juste comme message, par ailleurs, je suis convaincus que les membres
du KKK s'amusait royalement au cours du milieu du siècle dernier.

Le_Verseau
«Dans l'histoire de l'humanité, l'holocauste est l'exemple le plus
monstrueux, unique, de la barbarie d'un état à l'égard d'un peuple dont on a
programmé l'extinction. Cela dit, il n'exclut pas la souffrance horrible de
d'autres peuples victimes de génocide et de cruauté de la part d'États
oppresseurs.»
Yves Michaud

Yanik Crepeau a écrit dans le message ...

Manou

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Jan 7, 2001, 12:48:08 PM1/7/01
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In article <ndX56.2560$O8.2...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
bla bla bla

And you are an idiot.

So!

Manou

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Jan 7, 2001, 12:47:20 PM1/7/01
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In article <HPU56.235204$_5.529...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,

"Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
> >
> > > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> > > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> > > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> > > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> > > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> > >
> > > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> > > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> > > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> > > Government.
> >
> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
> accept!
> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> > Québécois!
>
> The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
> Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important

I know that!

>to get so much attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> with your life.

You owe us BILLIONS of dollars, sweetie... Of COURSE it does not bother you
that MY people had to pay for YOUR peoples's debts!

>
> Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies.

Typical canadian democracy... I will answer when I want and if I want... :-p

> I won't be checking back to read it. Of course, I have no doubt at all that you will reply as
> you're so full of spite and anger,

I am full of passion and love. :-D

> you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
> and blame it on federalist Canada.

That is one of the most stupid thing I heard in here.

CONGRATULATIONS!

:-p

Tata!

Manou

chemo

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Jan 6, 2001, 11:34:58 PM1/6/01
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the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
whats new about boths working together?

forgot to mention it maybe?


"Van Hayden" <van_h...@Xtelus.net> a écrit dans le message news:
3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21...

chemo

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Jan 7, 2001, 11:18:39 PM1/7/01
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You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.


"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> a écrit dans le message news:
ndX56.2560$O8.2...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...

chemo

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Jan 7, 2001, 11:23:19 PM1/7/01
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méchant anglo-typique ce Don, après ça,

ça se demande pourquoi on veut faire du Québec, un pays...

une de ces raisons est le genre de commentaires insipide basé sur une
propagande haineuse envers les "fucking frogs", que je lis jours après jours
sur ce forum et, bien sur, can.politics et leur versions provinciales... Je
veux rien avoir a faire avec cet bande d'auto-suffisants racistes

Vive le Québec Libre! Nous Vaincrons!


Souverainement vôtre,
PatrioteQC

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"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
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HG

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Jan 8, 2001, 4:44:00 AM1/8/01
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> You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.

As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim that
the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.


Manou

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Jan 8, 2001, 9:52:16 AM1/8/01
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In article <MMf66.3171$O8.3...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,

You reduce the problem, you make it look simple and stupid, so it becomes
possible for you to call us pathetic. Poor strategy.

Clem _

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Jan 7, 2001, 10:36:31 PM1/7/01
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>In article <MMf66.3171$O8.3...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
> "HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>> > You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.
>>
>> As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim that
>> the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.
>>
============================================================

No wonder you feel , you are to take care of us
And the question should rather be
Who's pathetic

We don't need , we don't want you
to take care of us

You've been doing it , too long already
No hardfeelings ,,,! Come on ,,!

clem_

Le_Verseau

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Jan 8, 2001, 11:18:14 AM1/8/01
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chemo a écrit dans le message ...

>méchant anglo-typique ce Don, après ça,
>ça se demande pourquoi on veut faire du Québec, un pays...
>une de ces raisons est le genre de commentaires insipide basé sur une
>propagande haineuse envers les "fucking frogs", que je lis jours après
jours
>sur ce forum et, bien sur, can.politics et leur versions provinciales... Je
>veux rien avoir a faire avec cet bande d'auto-suffisants racistes
>Vive le Québec Libre! Nous Vaincrons!
>Souverainement vôtre,
>PatrioteQC
>
Mais jamais notre Danièlle va dénoncer ça..... sa promiscuité salynienne
est trop évidente......

Le_Verseau
«Dans l'histoire de l'humanité, l'holocauste est l'exemple le plus
monstrueux, unique, de la barbarie d'un état à l'égard d'un peuple dont on a
programmé l'extinction. Cela dit, il n'exclut pas la souffrance horrible de
d'autres peuples victimes de génocide et de cruauté de la part d'États
oppresseurs.»
Yves Michaud

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Clem _

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Jan 7, 2001, 11:33:20 PM1/7/01
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>-
>>----------------------
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
>>Albert Camus
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
=======================================================================

Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!

How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!

clem_

Le_Verseau

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Jan 8, 2001, 1:13:17 PM1/8/01
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Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....

dani...@videotron.ca a écrit dans le message ...
>
> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
>Danièlle
>
>
>


dani...@videotron.ca

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On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:13:17 -0500, "Le_Verseau"
<Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:


>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot


>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....


Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.
Revoici tes mots, ver sot:


|||"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot


|||Mais jamais notre Danièlle va dénoncer ça..... sa promiscuité salynienne
|||est trop évidente......


Et j'ai mis ceci comme réponse à ton message:


|>>dani...@videotron.ca


|>>
|>> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
|>>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
|>>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
|>><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
|>>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
|>>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
|>>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
|>>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
|>>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
|> >Danièlle


Maintenant cette image montrant les hommages que la fille de
Gil Morisset [Gilmo] rendait à Pierre E Trudeau se trouve sur mon site
http://pages.infinit.net/dff/hommage_trudeau.gif


Si montrer que moi j'aime mieux rendre hommage à René
Lévesque.. fait de moi une CONNE comme tu dis.. j'accepte ce
compliment venant de toi, ver sot !


Voici ce qu'est ma vision de MON PAYS.. le QUEBEC !

Fichier sous format FLASH environ 700 Kb
Gens du PAYS de Gilles Vigneault:
http://pages.infinit.net/dff/gens_du_pays_1.html


Quand toi "Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot, tu
seras capable d'affirmer avec ta vraie identité toutes les sottises
que tu viens écrire ici.. peut-être que tu pourras te permettre de
cracher sur mon option POLITIQUE qui est l'indépendance du Québec.
Plus je te regarde aller, toi et la p'tite gang de sots.. je vois que
votre but n'est que de nuire à l'indépendance du Québec ! Lâchez pas..
vous êtes après réussir !


Danièlle

http://pages.infinit.net/dff/course.html


dani...@videotron.ca

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On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:13:17 -0500, "Le_Verseau"
<Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:


>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot


>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....

Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.
Revoici tes mots, ver sot:


|||"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot


|||Mais jamais notre Danièlle va dénoncer ça..... sa promiscuité salynienne
|||est trop évidente......

Et j'ai mis ceci comme réponse à ton message:


|>>dani...@videotron.ca
|>>


|>> Dénoncer quoi au juste ? Je dénonce ceux qui s'attaquent à moi
|>>comme toi tu viens d' essayer une fois de plus de le faire ! Depuis le
|>>temps.. tous savent pourquoi ton Maître à penser Gil Morisset [Gilmo]
|>><gil...@my-deja.com>] alias [gi...@francomedia.qc.ca] alias
|>>[gi...@quebec.com] alias [cestp...@hotmail.com] aime s'en prendre
|>>aux SOUVERAINISTES.. facile à comprendre, sa frustration d'avoir une
|>>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de
|>>montrer aussi sur can.politics que V. Kate Morisset. fille de Gilmo
|>>est une fervente admiratrice de Pierre E Trudeau et c'est son droit !
|> >Danièlle

Van Hayden

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On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:34:58 -0500, "chemo" <che...@kekpart.com> wrote:

>the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
>whats new about boths working together?
>
>forgot to mention it maybe?

No not at all. I was talking about the article. Rogers didn't quote
the all the article.

There is no proof that that the provincial Liberals and the feds were
working togeather. Show me the proof.


Cheers
Van

Marc Dufour

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dani...@videotron.ca, le Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:28:08 -0500
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis - hommage_trudeau.gif"
:
--------------------------------------------------------------

>On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:13:17 -0500, "Le_Verseau"
><Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot wrote:
>
>
>>"Le_Verseau" <Le_Ve...@hotmail.com> ver sot

>>Non, c'est toi petite qui est une pauvre petite CONNE....
>
>

> Pourquoi tu coupes le bout du message où sont tes mots à toi
>et ce à quoi je répondais ? Tu devrais regarder TES MOTS où tu t'en
>prends à MOI dans une enfilade où je n'étais même pas présente.

Oh, écoute, Pétassine, tu n'amuse plus qui que ce soit, avec tes giries.

Alors, s.v.p., écrase, tu veux?

-- Marc Dufour ---------- http://www.respublica.fr/lugalle -------- --
Le Canada a deux langues officielles: l'anglais et le français.
Canada has one official language: english.

Van Hayden

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On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:05:51 GMT, Manou <patriot...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
>> >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>>
>> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>> Government.
>
>Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to accept!
> But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
>Québécois!

Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.

Cheers
Van

Marc Dufour

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dani...@videotron.ca, le Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:49:56 -0500

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis - hommage_trudeau.gif"
:
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>FILLE FEDERALISTE l'a rendu FOU ! Merci de me donner l'occasion de

Oh, écrase, tu veux, Pétassine???

Marc Dufour

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van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:31:42 GMT
à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
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>On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

>>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>
>You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>Government.

Big deal! Both Bourassa and Drapeau were liberals, so, therefore, totally
subordinated to the power central in Ottawa...

Van Hayden

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On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:21:36 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

>>In article <HPU56.235204$_5.529...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,
>> "Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
>>> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>>> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
>>> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>
>
>>> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>>> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
>>> accept!
>

>Robert Bourassa was leading a COLLABORATION government.
>He was executing the colonizers' directives as any lackey is expected
>to.

Provide the proof. Also provide the proof that the Montreal Police
Chief was also a lacky while you are at it.


Cheers
Van

Van Hayden

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On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:47:20 GMT, Manou <patriot...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>In article <HPU56.235204$_5.529...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,
> "Don" <mail4...@home.com> wrote:
>> "Manou" <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:938tfc$s07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> > In article <3a57dcb3...@209.53.75.21>,
>> > van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden) wrote:
>> >
>> > > >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>> > > >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>> > > >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>> > > >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>> > > >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>> > >
>> > > You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>> > > Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>> > > order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>> > > Government.
>> >
>> > Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and directed
>> > the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
>> accept!
>> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
>> > Québécois!
>>
>> The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
>> Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important
>
>I know that!

If you know that you are full of bullshit then why do you insist in
coming back for more.


>>to get so much attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
>> with your life.
>
>You owe us BILLIONS of dollars, sweetie... Of COURSE it does not bother you
>that MY people had to pay for YOUR peoples's debts!

We owe you sweet fuck all my fine feather separatist twit. Your people
did not pay our debts because they haven't been paid off yet. Good
greif sometimes your comments are so stupid and ignorant and without
FACT. DO YOU GET IT MANOU . You are all bullshit.

>> Don't bother with any of your infamous flaming replies.
>
>Typical canadian democracy... I will answer when I want and if I want... :-p

Then expect the same shit back

>> you'd throw your own mother off a bridge
>> and blame it on federalist Canada.
>
>That is one of the most stupid thing I heard in here.


Not any more stupid then some of your remarks. He is just making a
valid comment because the separartits including you blame everything
that is wrong wrong with Quebec on the ROC.

Cheers
Van

Marc Dufour

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==============================================================
Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:33:20 -0500

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

> Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
>
> How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
>
> clem_

(J'ai cru, un moment, voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé à ma
killfile)...

Marc Dufour

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"Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:23:19 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
>Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
>attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
>with your life.

One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your finances,
why don't you kick us out?

And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us from
the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???

Inquiring minds needs to know.

Peter S. Saly

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"Marc Dufour" <lug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> ==============================================================
> Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:33:20 -0500
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
> >
> > How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
> >
> > clem_
>
> (J'ai cru, un moment, voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé
à ma
> killfile)...
>

Pour quelqu'un qui ne rien savoir de moi..
Tu passes beaucoup de ton temps a parler de moi..
Et plus drole encore, tu passes beaucoup de ton temps a me repondre..

Clem _

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Marc Dufour avait écrit ..

>
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations" -
>>Albert Camus
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Clem a répondu ,,

>
>> Ca alors , je ne l'avais pas encore entendu celle-là ,!
>> How righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht ,,,,!
>>
>> clem_
>
Marc Dufour explique

"
>(J'ai cru, un moment,
> voir un message de Peter-le-Sale qui aurait échappé à ma killfile)...
>
>-- Marc Dufour -------
>
================================================================

Clem revient ,,

Marc Dufour , vous n'aviez pas inclus la fameuse phrase
Je l'ai replacée en haut ,, puis la voici encore
Rien de moins , rien de plus ...

clem_


>
-----
>>"Le préalable de l'indépendance est le refus de toutes négociations"

>>Albert Camus
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Merci Marc Dufour ,,,

Clem _

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Jan 8, 2001, 12:10:32 PM1/8/01
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:09 GMT, van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden)
wrote:

====================================================================

Come on Van Hayden

Things got to start somewhere ,,!

They only killed one dirty fed

Was it by mistake ,,,???

Aren't you trying to revise history , yourself ,?

clem_

Clem _

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Jan 8, 2001, 12:21:27 PM1/8/01
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:10 GMT, van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden)
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:47:20 GMT, Manou <patriot...@my-deja.com>

============================================================================

Robert Bourassa a toujours fait , ce que lui disait Ottawa
C'est son bon côté ,, il a ainsi acheté la paix

Il n'a jamais été MON homme ,,, mais il a acheté la paix

Au référendum , lui savait ce qui se passerait avec un OUI
Il était convaincu , qu'Ottawa envahirait le Québec

Arrêterait l' Assemblé Nationale ,, comme traîtres
Lui le savait ,, alors il a fait ce qu'on lui disait

Ce fut ainsi , jusqu'à l'échec de sa vie
Le Canada , et le Québec disent NON

Alors là , il comprend ,, et parle
Pour la première fois , il dit publiquement

Sa fameuse phrase ,, était-ce ,,? --------

Quoi que l'on dise , quoi que l'on fasse
Le Québec est libre de choisir seul son destin
Etc , etc , etc ,,,,,

Venant de cet homme ....
C'était , et c'est encore beaucoup
Lui ,,, ne pouvait faire plus

C'est donc encore , et encore
une chose à revoir ,,,

c;em_

Clem _

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Jan 8, 2001, 12:24:06 PM1/8/01
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:11 GMT, van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden)
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:21:36 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

=============================================================

Van Hayden ,,,

I admit ,, F.L.Q. existed , and were active
On the other hand , you must admit

that all of this CRISIS ,, was nothing
but Ottawa ,, framing Québécois

clem_

Clem _

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Jan 8, 2001, 12:39:20 PM1/8/01
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:01:17 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Pe...@Saly.com>
wrote:

==========================================================

On est pas encore à couper les ponts
Voilà l'explication ,, ça viendra cependant

La plus élémentaire cellule sur terre
--- va vers son bonheur

Pourquoi douterions-nous de vos intentions
vous essayez de vous faire aimer ,,,
comme tout être humain ,!

Seulement ,,,
Vous vous prenez pas de la bonne façon

Regardez ,, moi je ne vous dis pas de bêtises
Rappelez-vous votre jeunesse ,,,,
Vous n'aviez pas juste le mal dans la tête
du moins ,, je l'espère ,,,!

Si vous le vouliez , vous pourriez être meilleur
Allez ,,, faites un effort

clem_

HG

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Jan 9, 2001, 4:40:18 AM1/9/01
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> >The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
> >Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so
much
> >attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> >with your life.
>
> One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
> within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your
finances,
> why don't you kick us out?

Since when do countries kick out "insignificant" or "burdensome" regions?

> And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us
from
> the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
>
> Inquiring minds needs to know.

No one hates anyone here. Firstly, you don't represent the people of
Quebec - secondly, you should learn to take criticism without getting overly
emotional and calling it hate.


HG

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Jan 9, 2001, 4:44:00 AM1/9/01
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Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> ==============================================================
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:31:42 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:
>
> >>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> >>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >
> >You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> >Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> >order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> >Government.
>
> Big deal! Both Bourassa and Drapeau were liberals, so, therefore, totally
> subordinated to the power central in Ottawa...

Very very lame response.


HG

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Jan 9, 2001, 4:42:57 AM1/9/01
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Manou <patriot...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <MMf66.3171$O8.3...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,
> "HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote:
> > > You're ignorant, simply a foolish ignorant.
> >
> > As long as you people continue to feel sorry for yourselves and claim
that
> > the rest of Canada is out to get you, I will call you pathetic.
> >
>
> You reduce the problem, you make it look simple and stupid, so it becomes
> possible for you to call us pathetic. Poor strategy.

Reduce what problem? You stated that federalists walk hand in hand and want
to screw Quebec - if you truly believe that federalists want to screw
Quebec, then, yes, you are pathetic.


HG

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Clem _ <clem.l...@3web.net> wrote in message
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Killing a federalist is okay... a new addition to the list of Quebec
Separatist bigots on Usenet:

1. Rodgers
2. Dufour
3. Clem


Ivan Gowch

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Jan 9, 2001, 5:21:43 AM1/9/01
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:00:58 GMT, Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

D:
==>>The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
==>>Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so much
==>>attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
==>>with your life.

==>One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
==>within canada?

Because you folks represent English Canada's only reliable source of
poutine.

==> If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your finances,
==>why don't you kick us out?

Because English-Canadians know well that although they may have a
stranglehold on Canada's political and economic power, Quebec is the
repository of the nation's soul.

Without Quebec, Canada is just a tedious collection of bankers with
crypto-Scottish accents and long-term memberships in Club Med.

==>And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us from
==>the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???

You are wrong, mon ami. Anglo Canadians don't hate you. They are,
however, jealous as hell of you because they suspect -- rightly, I
reckon -- that Quebecois have far more fun than they do.

That's why Quebecers, if they're still pissed off over that business
on the Plains of Abraham, shouldn't separate, they should stick around
and continue to rub their Anglo brothers' noses in it for as long as
possible.

--

"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon
the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible
worlds, if there were no religion in it!'"
-John Adams.

"Amen."
- Ivan Gowch <go...@hotmail.com>

Don

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==============================================================
> "Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:23:19 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >The only bullshit are your constant posts on how everyone is screwing
> >Quebec. Sorry sweetie but Quebec just isn't that important to get so
much
> >attention and screwing. I suggest you get over your obsession and get on
> >with your life.
>
> One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us
> within canada? If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your
finances,
> why don't you kick us out?
>
> And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us
from
> the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
>
> Inquiring minds needs to know.

A Vulcan you would never make. Your logic is unfounded. Nowhere did I say
that I hate Quebecers or want Quebec out. My comments were directed at one
single individual. Where is it written that I must like or agree with
everyone?

Some inquiring minds only hear what they want to.


Don

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Jan 9, 2001, 8:04:31 AM1/9/01
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> >> >LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
> >> >government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
> >> >extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
> >> >declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
> >> >Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
> >>
> >> You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
> >> Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
> >> order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
> >> Government.
> >
> >Bullshit! It is someone from the federal that came to Québec and
directed
> >the letter that Bourassa wrote! Of course, Bourassa was an asshole to
accept!
> > But hey... federalists walk hand in hand, when it is time to screw
> >Québécois!
>
> Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
> bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
> Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
> boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.

As long as French Seperatists are doing the killing, Manou is all for it.


Peter S. Saly

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:50:12 AM1/9/01
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"Clem _" <clem.l...@3web.net> wrote in message
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Apparently, according to clem it's perfectly OK to kill "a dirty fed"..
That's so typical..
According to the SS, it was OK to kill a "dirty jew" or a "dirty gypsy"..
According to the Serbs, it was OK to kill "a dirty croat" or "a dirty
Albanian"..
According to the Khmer Rouge, it was OK to kill "a dirty intellectual"..
According to the Tutsi, it was OK to kill " a dirty Hutu".
According to the Hutus, it was OK to kill " a dirty Tutsi"
And we are not going to get into what was OK to kill under the communists in
Russia, China, Korea, and many other

And now clem comes with another variant of this barbaric justification
About the killing of Pierre Laporte by the FLQ,

Peter S. Saly

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Jan 9, 2001, 1:21:33 AM1/9/01
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"Clem _" <clem.l...@3web.net> wrote in message
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TIens...
Mainteannt les separa-tatas comme clem vont essayer de nous faire croire que
la FLQ etait une branche du federal...
Pfffft..
PAs surpris que ce pauvre con imagnine que 1999= 2000 et que le 2ieme
millenaire s'est termine le 31 Decembre 1999...

Mais c'est vrai qu'il existe du monde assez stupide pour avaler n'importe
quelles betises...


Le_Verseau

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Jan 9, 2001, 9:21:27 AM1/9/01
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J'ai reçu un message dans ma boite de courrier, et cet internaute ne
comprenait le sens de ma réplique. Je vais être plus explicite. Il avait
écrit :
>Yanik Crepeau a écrit dans le message ...
>>En fait, M. Trudeau n'a pas fait qu'exagérer la "crise d'Octobre", c'est
>>faire injure à son intelligence que de croire que les demandes de la Ville
>>de Montréal et du Gouvernement du Québec étaient la seule motivation pour
>>décréter la loi sur les mesures de guerre.
>>Monsieur Trudeau A UTILISÉ la "crise d'Octobre" pour se faire du capital
>>politique. Deux ans plus tôt, en juin 1968, vingt-quatre heures avant son
>>élection, il avait fait de la provocation en allant s'assoir à la tribune
>>d'honneur durant le défilé de la Saint-Jean Batiste. Les quelques
>bouteilles
>>qui ont été lancées sur la tribune officielle lui ont bien servi. On peut
>>facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé
durant
>>le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
>>Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
>>Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents.
>>Yanik

Et j'avais répondu :
>Très juste comme message, par ailleurs, je suis convaincus que les membres
>du KKK s'amusait royalement au cours du milieu du siècle dernier.
>
Je pense tout de même que c'est pas difficile à comprendre. Tu écris : "On
peut
facilement croire que le premier ministre du Canada s'est bien amusé durant
le "crise d'Octobre" tout comme il s'était bien amusé le soir de la
Saint-Jean quand il assistait à la charge menée par la Cavalerie de la
Police de Montréal contre quelques "séparatistes" turbulents"
Pour ma part, je suis tout à fait en accord avec cette affirmation, et je
crois que c'est le cas de tous les despotes et Polpot du monde, de tous les
racistes et en fait de tous les criminels qui s'amuse du sort de leurs
victimes. J'ai pris l'exemple du KKK qui devait s'amuser au milieu du siècle
dernier au dépend des noirs qu'ils suppliciaient, je vais terminer en te
laissant une copie d'un document qui fait parti des archives nationales du
Canada et ça se passe au moment de la déportation des Acadiens :

Lettre du capitaine Alexander Murray au colonel John Winslow,
Fort Edouard, 8 septembre 1755.
"Cher monsieur, - J'accuse réception de votre lettre, et je dois vous dire
que je suis content d'apprendre que tout va bien à la Grand-Prée et que
les pauvres diables sont si résignés. Ceux d'ici (Piziquid, aujourd'hui
Windsor) ont montré plus de patience que j'en attendais de gens dans leur
situation et je suis grandement surpris de constater l'indifférence des
femmes qui sont réellement ou paraissent indifférentes à leur sort.
Quand je pense à ceux d'Annapolis, je me réjouis de les avoir sommés de
venir au rendez-vous. Je crains qu'il y ait des pertes de vie avant que
nous ayons terminé le rassemblement; vous savez que nos soldats les
détestent et qu'ils profiteront de tout prétexte pour les tuer…
Je suis des plus heureux d'apprendre que votre camp est en sûreté et puisse
servir (comme dit le Français) de bonne prison pour les habitants. J'ai
hâte de voir ces pauvres infortunés embarqués et notre tâche terminée;
alors je m'accorderai le plaisir de vous faire une visite et nous boirons à
leur bon voyage.

Peter S. Saly

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Jan 9, 2001, 10:43:15 AM1/9/01
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"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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Isn't it interesting how people like manou have to believe that they are
hated...
It appears that that is the only way they can justify their extreme
positions..
To put themselves as victims....

Peter S. Saly

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Jan 9, 2001, 10:43:56 AM1/9/01
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"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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Another form of the professional victim mentality..


Marc Dufour

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:52:13 PM1/9/01
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==============================================================
van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:08 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:34:58 -0500, "chemo" <che...@kekpart.com> wrote:
>
>>the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
>>whats new about boths working together?
>>
>>forgot to mention it maybe?
>
>No not at all. I was talking about the article. Rogers didn't quote
>the all the article.
>
>There is no proof that that the provincial Liberals and the feds were
>working togeather. Show me the proof.

The proof is in the pudding!

For the last 40 years, the provincial liberals have worked hand-in-hand with
the federal liberals.

Marc Dufour

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:52:42 PM1/9/01
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van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:11 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>Provide the proof. Also provide the proof that the Montreal Police


>Chief was also a lacky while you are at it.

He actually was bought by the mob with a 36" color TV...

Marc Dufour

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:56:45 PM1/9/01
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==============================================================
Ivan Gowch <go...@SPAMMENOThotmail.com>, le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:21:43 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:00:58 GMT, Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com>

>==>One thing I would like to understand is why do you want so much to keep us


>==>within canada?
>
>Because you folks represent English Canada's only reliable source of
>poutine.

Excuse me, but if you go in downtown Ottawa, you will find at the corner of
Kent and Slater streets (just besides the Canadian Tire store) a very reliable
chipwagon (operated by vietnamese), that dutifully dole out a perfectly
respectable poutine to passerbys.

>==> If we are so insignificant or such a burden on your finances,
>==>why don't you kick us out?

...


>==>And, judging by the way you hate us, why are you so intent in "saving" us from
>==>the "financial doom" that your propaganda keeps spewing forth???
>
>You are wrong, mon ami. Anglo Canadians don't hate you. They are,
>however, jealous as hell of you because they suspect -- rightly, I
>reckon -- that Quebecois have far more fun than they do.

So, if you don't have so much fun, why don't you become french?

>That's why Quebecers, if they're still pissed off over that business
>on the Plains of Abraham, shouldn't separate, they should stick around
>and continue to rub their Anglo brothers' noses in it for as long as
>possible.

That could be done far more effectively if we were an independent country.

Marc Dufour

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:58:28 PM1/9/01
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"Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:02:29 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>A Vulcan you would never make. Your logic is unfounded. Nowhere did I say


>that I hate Quebecers or want Quebec out. My comments were directed at one
>single individual. Where is it written that I must like or agree with
>everyone?

Oh, Sorry. I should have precised that the "you" was not aimed in your
particular direction, but in the general direction of the ROC(tm).

That's the problem with english who has only one form of "you", compared to
french who has two forms (singular/casual and plural/formal).

Marc Dufour

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Jan 9, 2001, 12:59:57 PM1/9/01
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==============================================================
van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:09 GMT

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
--------------------------------------------------------------

>Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
>bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
>Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
>boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.

The FLQ was heavily infiltrated by the RCMP since it's beginnings. That
handful of "terrorists" were well known and COULD have been stopped in time.

In fact, the RCMP even performed several terrorist acts in the name of the
FLQ...

Marc Dufour

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"HG" <ganj...@sprint.ca>, le Tue, 9 Jan 2001 04:44:00 -0500

à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
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>
>Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:0l2l5tom1nl6gcl4l...@4ax.com...
>>
>> ==============================================================
>> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:31:42 GMT
>> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:
>>
>> >>LONDON -- Canada's federal government confided to the British
>> >>government during the 1970 October Crisis it had "no evidence of an
>> >>extensive and co-ordinated FLQ conspiracy," despite public
>> >>declarations at home that the extraordinary police powers of the War
>> >>Measures Act were necessary to fight an "apprehended insurrection."
>> >
>> >You convenietly forgot the mention that the Quebec Premier and the
>> >Montreal Police Chief were the first to exaggerate the FLQ Crises in
>> >order to obtain extra powers for the police from the Federal
>> >Government.
>>
>> Big deal! Both Bourassa and Drapeau were liberals, so, therefore, totally
>> subordinated to the power central in Ottawa...
>
>Very very lame response.

Very very poor counter-"argument".

Peter S. Saly

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"Marc Dufour" <lug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> ==============================================================
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:08 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:34:58 -0500, "chemo" <che...@kekpart.com> wrote:
> >
> >>the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
> >>whats new about boths working together?
> >>
> >>forgot to mention it maybe?
> >
> >No not at all. I was talking about the article. Rogers didn't quote
> >the all the article.
> >
> >There is no proof that that the provincial Liberals and the feds were
> >working togeather. Show me the proof.
>
> The proof is in the pudding!
>
> For the last 40 years, the provincial liberals have worked hand-in-hand
with
> the federal liberals.


That is a DECLARATION.
That's NO proof..

Too bad your soooo stupid that you consider your own declarations as some
kind of proof.
The ONLY thing it proves, is that your an idiot...
But that has been obvious for a VERY long time


Peter S. Saly

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>
> ==============================================================
> van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:11 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >Provide the proof. Also provide the proof that the Montreal Police
> >Chief was also a lacky while you are at it.
>
> He actually was bought by the mob with a 36" color TV...


Yah !
And if dufuss declares it.
It's GOT to be true..
Riiiiiiiiight...


Peter S. Saly

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>
> ==============================================================
> "Don" <mail4...@home.com>, le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:02:29 GMT
> à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >A Vulcan you would never make. Your logic is unfounded. Nowhere did I
say
> >that I hate Quebecers or want Quebec out. My comments were directed at
one
> >single individual. Where is it written that I must like or agree with
> >everyone?
>
> Oh, Sorry. I should have precised that the "you" was not aimed in your
> particular direction, but in the general direction of the ROC(tm).
>
> That's the problem with english who has only one form of "you", compared
to
> french who has two forms (singular/casual and plural/formal).


Mustn't forget that since dufuss declares it, it MUST be true..
(riiiiiiight...)

Nove why don't you give us some EVIDENCE to support your claim that the Rest
of Canada (ROC) hates Quebec and Quebecois...

Peter S. Saly

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No need to "counter" a NON-argument, that a dufuss like you imagines having
some credibility.

Van Hayden

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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:52:13 GMT, Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>


>==============================================================
>van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:08 GMT
>à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:34:58 -0500, "chemo" <che...@kekpart.com> wrote:
>>
>>>the governement in place in 1970 were the liberal...under bourassa... so
>>>whats new about boths working together?
>>>
>>>forgot to mention it maybe?
>>
>>No not at all. I was talking about the article. Rogers didn't quote
>>the all the article.
>>
>>There is no proof that that the provincial Liberals and the feds were
>>working togeather. Show me the proof.
>
>The proof is in the pudding!
>
>For the last 40 years, the provincial liberals have worked hand-in-hand with
>the federal liberals.

Now that is a crock of shit. The Quebec Liberals were never "hand in
hand". In fact this fairy tail is only a figment of the Separatist
mind.


Cheers
Van

Van Hayden

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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:59:57 GMT, Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>


>==============================================================
>van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:09 GMT
>à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
>>bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
>>Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
>>boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.
>
>The FLQ was heavily infiltrated by the RCMP since it's beginnings. That
>handful of "terrorists" were well known and COULD have been stopped in time.
>
>In fact, the RCMP even performed several terrorist acts in the name of the
>FLQ...

About the only thing that has been rpoven is the Barn Burning. The
rest was the work of your little FLQ Bastards that even killed their
own fellow Francophones in stupid attempts to get at the Federal
Government.

Cheers
Van

Van Hayden

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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:15:42 -0500, p.r...@videotron.ca wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:59:57 GMT, Marc Dufour <lug...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>

>>==============================================================
>>van_h...@Xtelus.net (Van Hayden), le Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:52:09 GMT
>>à écrit à propos de "Re: Trudeau exaggerated FLQ crisis" :
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>>Oh Please Manou. Get real and stop revising history you are getting as
>>>bad as Rogers at revising the truth to suit your own little agenda.
>>>Who the hell was screwing who manou when the FLQ were blowing up mail
>>>boxes and maiming and murderineg people. Give me a break.
>>
>>The FLQ was heavily infiltrated by the RCMP since it's beginnings. That
>>handful of "terrorists" were well known and COULD have been stopped in time.
>>
>>In fact, the RCMP even performed several terrorist acts in the name of the
>>FLQ...
>

>Thousands and thousands of pages written on the subject since and the
>bozo confirms himself to have remain as ignorant of the case as he was
>on day one. Now, what is revisionism to one so ignorant if not the
>truth?

Whatever!! I was there you asshole and was on patrol during that time
so don't give me any of your separatist bullshit. Hey in order to
catch a terrorist one must act like one. Good for the RCMP. To bad
they didn't blow the terrorist bastards up when they blew up the barn/
The Airforce should has pushed them out of the airplane wiothout
parachutes. But alas Canadians are to nice to do such things.


Cheers
Van

Van Hayden

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