Next Event

[Jonas Geiregat]

Hello everyone!

After the somewhat marginal attendance at the first meeting I would like to propose a new one.

At the first meeting we haven't really discussed much so there is still a lot of ground to cover.

In my honor opinion, I think the next event should be more like an event and not just meet-up in a pub.

I already have a subject of a talk I would like to give in my, class based views in django and how to handle them in not so casual situations.

What do you guy's think ?

Cheers,

Jonas.

[Jeroen Dierckx]

Hello,

Still bummed that i couldn't be there because of illness.
How marginal was the attendance?

I don't know about a full blown event, seeing as interest is
apparently low. The effort to organise something decent is not to be
underestimated.
Maybe a small informal unconference type thingy? But even then, you
need the critical mass.

Best regards,
Jeroen

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[Dries Desmet]

I agree with this. If we can't get together a decent amount of people (and I'm sorry I had to skip the previous meeting as well), then there is no point in organizing bigger events. Still, I would like to get to know the people better that are on this mailing list. Another informal meeting?

D.

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[Ludovic Gasc]

Hi Jonas,

It will be more attractive for people to go to a conference event, but it's more work for you ;-)

If you are motived to organize this, you should try your idea.

Your boss has proposed something about that, it's the good time to start, isn't it ?

Regards.

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[Robrecht De Rouck]

@Jonas: 

I think this is an interesting subject. At the last meeting I think only 3-5 people who attended worked with Django, that's not a lot. So it's only natural that fewer people are going to show interest. Although I do think there are quite a few people on the mailing list who did not attend the last meeting and have worked with Django.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that the size of the group is mixed from time to time. I think it would be best to organise events(of which multiple can occur during one meeting) based on three different categories:

    I. Useful things for any Python developer

        E.g.: coding style, useful standard library recipes, performance tips, testing tips, 

        introductions to some external libraries(e.g. some short and handy snippets with NLTK) , debugging, editors, specific interpreters(e.g. Ipython), ...

    II. Useful things for either A. any web developer, B. any scientist or C. a person who works in the remaining fields that use Python (e.g. Telephony)

        A. For Web developers:

            E.g.: Css bootstraps, Javascript/JQuery/... tips, HTML5, how to best measure website performance, 

            decoupling from framework specific components using SQLalchemy, Jinja2, ... , ...

        B. For scientists:

            E.g.: Pystats, Matlibplot, Sympy, Mayavi, Numpy, ...

        C. People of the remaining fields that use Python:

            Could be anything.

    III. Useful things only for people who use a specific framework in those of the groups in II

        E.g. In group II, A: Django group and a Pylons group.

Personally I think we now need to find a balance of these categories of events during meetings. (Do we organise events only of one category per meeting or do we mix them in one meeting or do we predominantly try to organise a mix but only sometimes organise meetings of one category, ...?)

Although I think it will rather be determined by how many and which people offer to speak/organise and that it is not so much a matter of choice now.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that you should not necessarily be disappointed when not everyone in the group shows interest for a specific event and that being aware of the rough % or # of people who are likely to be interested could provide consolation.

Robrecht

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[Jonas Geiregat]

Hello,

Indeed a smaller meet-up might be better.

But meeting in a pub is fun but it doesn't really allow us to get out our laptops and show/learn each other things.

So maybe we should find a place where we can get together in a more quite atmosphere and maybe afterwards go to a pub ?

What do you think ?

Mvg, Jonas

Indeed a smaller

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[Jeroen Dierckx]

two ideas for something smaller:

- a day of sprints; we could announce some projects to work on, or
decide on the day itself
- a competition; a couple of teams (2 person teams perhaps), a fixed
problem and timeframe

both have a need for a big enough room with a network, but that is all i guess
... and like i said before, i'm willing to sponsor some food and drinks ...

best regards,
Jeroen

[Jonas Geiregat]

Dag Iedereen,

Aan de hand van de lijst van namen die zich hebben ingeschreven op deze mailing lijst leid ik af dat het gros van jullie Nederlandstalig zijn.

Tijdens de eerste meeting waren er ook enkel Nederlandstalige PyBug mensen aanwezig. Toen viel me al op dat de gekozen taal, Engels niet altijd optimaal was!

Er was een duidelijke opsplitsing tussen Franstaligen en Nederlandstaligen.

Dries, die zelf niet aanwezig was op de eerste meeting, sprak me vorige week aan i.v.m. het gebruik van Engels en dat de communicatie vlotter kan en zal verlopen indien we onze eigen moedertaal zouden kunnen gebruiken.

Dit alles zette me aan tot denken dat het misschien erg naïef was om alle communicatie in het Engels te laten verlopen en hierdoor aan te nemen dat iedereen zich op een zeker niveau kan uitdrukken in deze taal. 

Wat denken jullie ? Moeten we verder gaan in het Engels of is de switch naar een Nederlandstalige groep niet meer dan Logisch ?

Groeten,

Jonas Geiregat.

[Jonas Geiregat]

Dag iedereen,

Er is een nieuwe PyBug meet-up in de maak deze zal doorgaan in het Gentse.

Een exacte locatie is er nog niet, dit zal afhangen van het aantal mensen dat zich zal inschrijven.

Een exacte datum is er evenmin, daarom volgende Poll: http://framadate.org/tkg4ur1e99mymx95

Cheers,

Jonas Geiregat.

[Jeroen Dierckx]

imho:
If you try to set up something in Belgium for everyone, you have two
options: English or (Dutch and French and German). I think the first
option is the easiest, and i think you may expect programmers to have
mastered this language.
It's not really a matter of who is participating in the conversation
at this moment, but who you want to participate. If it's going to be
in Dutch, than a Flemish user group might be more appropriate.


j

[Jonas Geiregat]

> If it's going to be
> in Dutch, than a Flemish user group might be more appropriate.
>

That's true, if we are moving towards a Dutch speaking group the current name won't suffice.

But before that can happen we most agree on some level what language we will use.

[Didrik Pinte]

I am pretty happy having people expressing themselves in the language
they prefer. On my end (and being a French native), all the
communications I have regarding Python is in English and I would feel
it is suboptimal to switch to any other languages. If PyBug is a
Belgian Python User Group, it does not even mean that users have to be
belgian and probably speaking the common language in IT which is
English.

Regarding events, it will always be easier for people to speak their
native language and thus groups will be formed. I can assure you that
interest in some technical topic will break any language barrier ;-)

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[Jonas Geiregat]

Because we haven't decided on the language yet, I'll throw in a quick translation of this message.

We're planning a new meet-up, within a month or something. Haven't decided on the date yet, that's what this poll is for : http://framadate.org/tkg4ur1e99mymx95

The location will be Ghent, details will follow later.

Cheers,

Jonas.

[Ward De Ridder]

That's a very bad timing for students.
I can't make it that time of the year.

Ward