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Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 4:08:09 AM5/18/12
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What Python versions do you think is reasonable for pytddmon to support..? My gut feeling is that, yes, it's cool to support all the way to 2.4, but seriously 2.7+3.2 is enough.

Reason I'm asking is that we have a we a config explosion coming up: there is a guy that's working on IronPython+Jython support for pytddmon, we I find seriously cool, but it will (almost) 3-fold the number of environment configurations pytddmon will have to work in:

O/S: Linux, Windows, Mac (yes, I know mac is Linux but hey it's different enough)
Python: 2.5/6/7, 3.1/2
Platform: CPython, IronPython, Jython

I know quite a lot of combinations does not make sense: Jython is 2.5/7 only, IronPython 2.6/7 only.

Basic question is: how do we keep quality high, when we have to support so many environments?

Thoughts?

Samuel Ytterbrink

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2012/5/18 Olof Bjarnason <olof.bj...@gmail.com>

Yo list!

What Python versions do you think is reasonable for pytddmon to support..? My gut feeling is that, yes, it's cool to support all the way to 2.4, but seriously 2.7+3.2 is enough.

Reason I'm asking is that we have a we a config explosion coming up: there is a guy that's working on IronPython+Jython support for pytddmon, we I find seriously cool, but it will (almost) 3-fold the number of environment configurations pytddmon will have to work in:

O/S: Linux, Windows, Mac (yes, I know mac is Linux but hey it's different enough)
Mac is not Linux! its BSD! 
Python: 2.5/6/7, 3.1/2
Platform: CPython, IronPython, Jython 

I know quite a lot of combinations does not make sense: Jython is 2.5/7 only, IronPython 2.6/7 only.

Basic question is: how do we keep quality high, when we have to support so many environments?

Thoughts?




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Rock Neurotiko

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May 18, 2012, 4:25:48 AM5/18/12
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Technically, it's Unix...

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Yes, BSD is unix, the kernal is Darwin which is a BSD flavor.

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Olof Bjarnason

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2012/5/18 Olof Bjarnason <olof.bj...@gmail.com>
Yo list!

What Python versions do you think is reasonable for pytddmon to support..? My gut feeling is that, yes, it's cool to support all the way to 2.4, but seriously 2.7+3.2 is enough.

Reason I'm asking is that we have a we a config explosion coming up: there is a guy that's working on IronPython+Jython support for pytddmon, we I find seriously cool, but it will (almost) 3-fold the number of environment configurations pytddmon will have to work in:

O/S: Linux, Windows, Mac (yes, I know mac is Linux but hey it's different enough)
Mac is not Linux! its BSD! 

Sorry :)

Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 5:01:25 AM5/18/12
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This thread reminds me of this XKCD:


Anyone have something constructive to say on topic? :)

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Samuel Ytterbrink

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May 18, 2012, 5:04:55 AM5/18/12
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;P
well yes, i think dropping support is god, though Dists like Centos will be left behind, but since i think its more of a run inviroment then a development enviroment its ok.

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Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 5:15:32 AM5/18/12
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Cool. I think it makes economic sense since we're so few developing pytddmon.

I think we should be more explicit on pytddmon.org on exactly what we support. Something like this:

"pytddmon supports CPython 2.7 and 3.2 on Windows, Mac & Linux"

If/when IronPython/Jython support exists this will change to something like

"pytddmon supports CPython/Jython/IronPython 2.7 and CPython 3.2 on Windows, Mac & Linux"


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Samuel Ytterbrink

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Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 6:21:43 AM5/18/12
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Having second thoughts; are we really dropping CPythin2.6 support..? Isn't that like "really widely used" still? Is there some statistics anywhere? Is there a compelling reason to use Py2.7+ features in pytddmon.py? [yes, I love the with: syntax, but not that much]

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Eivar Montenegro

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May 18, 2012, 11:27:09 AM5/18/12
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Hello everybody


On Friday, May 18, 2012 5:21:43 AM UTC-5, Olof Bjarnason wrote:
Having second thoughts; are we really dropping CPythin2.6 support..? Isn't that like "really widely used" still? Is there some statistics anywhere? Is there a compelling reason to use Py2.7+ features in pytddmon.py? [yes, I love the with: syntax, but not that much]

I am relatively new to python's versions differences but according to [1] python 2.x is more widely used but there will not be major version after 2.7 which, for me at least, means that is just a matter of time before support for python 2.x start to fall. So IMHO it's right to support CPython 2.7+.

Main problem will be Jython, because it seems to lack many features like "with statement".

Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM5/18/12
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Hi Eivar!


2012/5/18 Eivar Montenegro <e.mo...@gmail.com>
Actually, Jython 2.7 beta was released yesterday (!)

Jython 2.7a1 Has Been Released (May 17, 2012)


While that might be a weak argument, I think it will take some time before we announce "pytddmon works in IronPython/Jython environments" anyway, so we might just shoot at 2.7+ compatibility? What do you think?

Welcome to list!

 

Olof Bjarnason

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May 18, 2012, 11:37:01 AM5/18/12
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2012/5/18 Olof Bjarnason <olof.bj...@gmail.com>

Hi Eivar!


2012/5/18 Eivar Montenegro <e.mo...@gmail.com>
Hello everybody


On Friday, May 18, 2012 5:21:43 AM UTC-5, Olof Bjarnason wrote:
Having second thoughts; are we really dropping CPythin2.6 support..? Isn't that like "really widely used" still? Is there some statistics anywhere? Is there a compelling reason to use Py2.7+ features in pytddmon.py? [yes, I love the with: syntax, but not that much]

I am relatively new to python's versions differences but according to [1] python 2.x is more widely used but there will not be major version after 2.7 which, for me at least, means that is just a matter of time before support for python 2.x start to fall. So IMHO it's right to support CPython 2.7+.

Main problem will be Jython, because it seems to lack many features like "with statement".

Actually, Jython 2.7 beta was released yesterday (!)

Jython 2.7a1 Has Been Released (May 17, 2012)

Err, sorry, it was only alpha1, but anyway, it's coming along :)

Eivar Montenegro

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May 18, 2012, 11:51:44 AM5/18/12
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Hi Olof!

On Friday, May 18, 2012 10:37:01 AM UTC-5, Olof Bjarnason wrote:

2012/5/18 Olof Bjarnason
Hi Eivar!


2012/5/18 Eivar Montenegro
Hello everybody


On Friday, May 18, 2012 5:21:43 AM UTC-5, Olof Bjarnason wrote:
Having second thoughts; are we really dropping CPythin2.6 support..? Isn't that like "really widely used" still? Is there some statistics anywhere? Is there a compelling reason to use Py2.7+ features in pytddmon.py? [yes, I love the with: syntax, but not that much]

I am relatively new to python's versions differences but according to [1] python 2.x is more widely used but there will not be major version after 2.7 which, for me at least, means that is just a matter of time before support for python 2.x start to fall. So IMHO it's right to support CPython 2.7+.

Main problem will be Jython, because it seems to lack many features like "with statement".
Actually, Jython 2.7 beta was released yesterday (!)

Jython 2.7a1 Has Been Released (May 17, 2012)

Err, sorry, it was only alpha1, but anyway, it's coming along :)
 


While that might be a weak argument, I think it will take some time before we announce "pytddmon works in IronPython/Jython environments" anyway, so we might just shoot at 2.7+ compatibility? What do you think?
Yes I agree we should just shoot at 2.7+ support.
I am going to download Jython 2.7a1 and try pytddmon


Welcome to list!
Thank you!
 

Olof Bjarnason

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I've updated the Dependencies page to reflect our discussion.

http://pytddmon.org/?page_id=79

2012/5/18 Eivar Montenegro <e.mo...@gmail.com>
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