Summer doldrums?

[Dave S]

I hope it's a case of "everything just works", but awfully quiet in here.

/dps

[Jorge Salvat]

Yes, very quiet ...

Have a nice summer :-)

[Massimo DiPierro]

I think everybody i using AI now to get answers and fix things.

It is great in a way and sad in another: open source may die.

[Binh Le Thanh]

py4web going to be great and greater with AI

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[Christian Varas]

hi! yes i believe the same, AI is answering questions and helping with the development. If we are not careful, we could even forget how to program by ourselves.

Also with AI I managed to make a webauthn (passkeys) for py4web, I’m using it for a while and works properly :). This weekend will send the PR

cheers!

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[Dave S]

On Saturday, July 25, 2026 at 9:37:38 AM UTC-7 chriii...@gmail.com wrote:

hi! yes i believe the same, AI is answering questions and helping with the development. If we are not careful, we could even forget how to program by ourselves.

What's the key to asking questions that get helpful answers, instead of AI slop?

/dps

[Dave S]

On Thursday, July 23, 2026 at 2:29:54 AM UTC-7 massimo....@gmail.com wrote:

I think everybody i using AI now to get answers and fix things.

It is great in a way and sad in another: open source may die.

It would be nice if some of those folk would add a comment to this forum about what question they had  and what they learned from the answer.

/dps

[Dave S]

On Thursday, August 20, 2026 at 2:37:46 PM UTC-7 Dave S wrote:

On Thursday, July 23, 2026 at 2:29:54 AM UTC-7 massimo....@gmail.com wrote:

I think everybody i using AI now to get answers and fix things.

It is great in a way and sad in another: open source may die.

It would be nice if some of those folk would add a comment to this forum about what question they had  and what they learned from the answer.

The strength of  web2py was learning from others' questions, and py4web started out strong in that regard.  Sometimes you don't even know there was a question until someone else asks it.

/dps

    ^ me

[John Bannister]

Hey All, 

For those of you who are a bit bored over the summer I could really use some help. 

I've been using web2py and then py4web for many years and and always found the 'pain' was getting dev or prod environmets set up on different hosts so decided to crate something that would allow me to consistantly deploy super quickly on an environment of my choice. This led to the birth of uppcoder which just sort of grew and grew (as apps do).

Full disclosure before anything else: I also work on uppcoder, which runs development environments in the browser. We've added py4web as a first-class stack, so I have an interest — better I say that up front than have someone dig it out later.

What it does: you pick py4web, and any other components like editors or terminals or db's etc and about half a minute later you have a running app plus VS Code and a terminal in the browser if needed, on your own container. Nothing installed locally. Works on a Chromebook, and on a locked-down work laptop.

Why I think it might actually be useful to this list, rather than just to us:

• The "works on my machine" thread. We've all spent four replies establishing someone's Python version and virtualenv state. You could hand them an identical environment instead.
• Newcomers. Most people who bounce off a framework bounce before they write a line of it. This removes that step.
• Teaching and workshops. Everyone gets the same environment from one link.

Short film of it, start to finish, no cuts hiding a slow bit: https://youtu.be/PNTA91hQ6Gk

Now the bit I actually want. What would you change? We already had to fix our own image once — the installer wasn't activating the environment properly for script-started frameworks, which failed silently and looked for all the world like py4web's fault. If the version, the layout or the defaults are wrong, I'd rather hear it plainly from this group than from a stranger.

The offer: free workspaces for anyone here — no card, no sales email. The free tier covers it and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. If you need more than that for a workshop or a class, message me and I'll sort it.

And if a post like this isn't welcome on the list, say so and I'll pull it — no argument.

John

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[Dave S]

On Wednesday, August 26, 2026 at 10:08:33 AM UTC-7 eudor...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey All, 

And if a post like this isn't welcome on the list, say so and I'll pull it — no argument.

John

I think it's a reasonable post for this group, and I find the concept interesting.

/dps

 

[Massimo DiPierro]

I think it is ok but reproducinility is a solved problem and you do not need a commercial solution for it. There many solutions. My favorite one is nix.

Just define you favorite environment in the form of a nix flake (or shell). Include toolchains, tools, editors, plugins, libraries, etc. And it works anywhere, reproducibly.

The next version of py4web will include a rigx.toml file (as in https://github.com/unofficialtools/rigx) including a reproduble env, incluiding dev tools, and server deployment tools.

Next week.

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[Kevin Keller]

I think that is a part of Massimo's new project https://hirosim.com . Looking great btw. Massimo!

But coming by to Py4web, you have seen its free on our platform and it gives you a full py4web instance, vscode web, terminal, postgresql database, ssl cert and public or privately protected url in 30 seconds for free.

What you have maybe not seen is that Mistral Vibe is pre installed and pre-configured to use a free AI model (I self host this in Netherlands, its a Qwen 3.6)

or you can top up AI budget (we dont charge any margins) and you can pick any of the models we have pre-configured with Scaleway hosted in Paris (so 100% EU sovereign AI and data stack). 

The Py4web containers are hosted on Hetzner in Germany. 

 I attached a small video gif showing how the embedded Mistral coding agent is creating a sexy hello world for py4web.

(I self host this in Netherlands)

You are also weclome to install your own agent of your choice and configure it. 

You can install any kind of software package as long as it can be stored in your users home folder and run from there, which pretty much all agents do anyway, like Claude code etc.

Package installer we ship is Pixi from Prefix shipping all packages from Conda-Forge. 

If you pip install that will also automatically land in your home folder. 

But you can also install Go, Rust, Ruby etc. via Pixi. 

Would love to hear your feedback. 

 Py4web + Mistral Vibe:    https://viddler.com/6KdnZ5

We are also rolling out a Lovable style AI app builder in the coming 2 weeks that can also use Py4web as backend.

Coming up app builder preview:, its simply connecting into the container that you can edit manually and triggers mistral vibe remotely. 

Simple yet powerful, flexible and open. You source code belongs to you. Connect to any database.. etc. 

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[Massimo DiPierro]

This is great. Thanks for sharing

[Dave S]

On Friday, August 28, 2026 at 11:47:42 AM UTC-7 kell...@gmail.com wrote:

I think that is a part of Massimo's new project https://hirosim.com . Looking great btw. Massimo!

Ooooo ... pretty toys!

(And Massimo, I had missed your SX connection  .... not mentioned when you demo'd web2py at OC OWASP a while ago, which is the only time I've met you.)

/dps

 

[Massimo DiPierro]

Technically https://GitHub.com/unofficialtools/rigx and hirosim.com are unrelated.

The first is an open source build system that fits in between make and bazel. 

The second is a closed source project that I am planning to commercialize. Internally it uses rigx because I prefer it to make and bazel.

Just committed some code in py4web that uses rigx to provide a reproducible dev environment and reproducible deployments but I think it is overkill.

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