Thoughts on job listings?

[Michael Stahnke]

How do folks feel about getting Puppet job listings on this list?
I've rejected a few that we quite spammy, but when the subject matter
really is a system admin with puppet experience, the decision becomes
a bit different.

I'm looking for general feelings. A simple +1 or -1 would be great.


Mike

[Scott Merrill]

-1 on this list. I don't know if there's enough job-related traffic to
justify a job-specific Puppet list, but that'd be where I'd think such
traffic should go.

[Brendan O'Bra]

-1

the lack of noise is appreciated on this list.  How about another list instead?

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[Craig White]

+1

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[Steve Traylen]

I would like somewhere to post jobs (we have one :-))

If it can be somewhere close to the people reading this list so much the better.

Steve

Mike

[Craig Dunn]

On 30/05/2012 21:49, Michael Stahnke wrote:
> How do folks feel about getting Puppet job listings on this list?
> I've rejected a few that we quite spammy, but when the subject matter
> really is a system admin with puppet experience, the decision becomes
> a bit different.

I think very Puppet orientated job listings would be tolerable, but you
run the risk of getting every "devopsy" type job that remotely touches
on Puppet being posted and that would IMO start to be spammy.

You could always encourage people to email you with their job listings
and have it sent out as a consolidated email once a week or something?

Just a thought.

Craig

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[Christopher Wood]

-1 on jobs posts to this list.

+1 on a new list for jobs/candidates.

(Who wants to be a puppet-aware infrastructure sysadmin in Toronto? *coughnospam*)

[R. Tyler Croy]

On Wed, 30 May 2012, Craig Dunn wrote:

> On 30/05/2012 21:49, Michael Stahnke wrote:
> >How do folks feel about getting Puppet job listings on this list?
> >I've rejected a few that we quite spammy, but when the subject matter
> >really is a system admin with puppet experience, the decision becomes
> >a bit different.
>
>
> I think very Puppet orientated job listings would be tolerable, but
> you run the risk of getting every "devopsy" type job that remotely
> touches on Puppet being posted and that would IMO start to be
> spammy.
>
> You could always encourage people to email you with their job
> listings and have it sent out as a consolidated email once a week or
> something?
>
> Just a thought.

I think this is the best idea here, a "This Week in Puppet Jobs" would be a
good email, low noise, high signal :)

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[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 01:49:44PM -0700, Michael Stahnke wrote:
>

> I'm looking for general feelings. A simple +1 or -1 would be great.

-1 on this list.




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[R.I.Pienaar]

job postings from community members looking for themselves/their employers
with clear direct to employer contact information +1

job postings from recruiters -1

[Trevor Vaughan]

-1 on this list

+1 for a moderated, digest-only, list dedicated to this purpose.

Trevor

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[Gonzalo Servat]

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:13 AM, R.I.Pienaar <r...@devco.net> wrote:

job postings from community members looking for themselves/their employers
with clear direct to employer contact information +1

job postings from recruiters -1

+1 to what R.I.P just said :-)

The problem with the weekly digest email is that if it goes out on, say, Monday and someone posts an ad on Tuesday, it'll be almost a week until it goes out to the list, which depending on urgency to fill the role, may not be ideal (for both; the candidate and the company).

- Gonzalo

[Denmat]

Having been a job poster I got to say +1.

but +1+1 to RIP's idea 2.

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[Alexander Fortin]

On 5/30/12 11:07 PM, R. Tyler Croy wrote:
> I think this is the best idea here, a "This Week in Puppet Jobs" would be a
> good email, low noise, high signal :)

Oh yes, I like this suggestion too!

My +1

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[Brian Gupta]

+1 to both suggestions. If we limit it to relevant on topic postings
from principals, and keep recruiters out, it *should* keep volume low.

If we do reach consensus to support this, I propose an official
written policy that clarifies the requirements, and would probably
also require that job listings include "[JOB]" in the subject so that
those that aren't interested can easily set up filters. The official
policy should also set the expectation that this is subject to change
if volume becomes too high. (In which case we could revisit and look
at a designated jobs board/list) In addition, we should limit postings
from a single company to a certain limit (Once every two months for
example).

-Brian

[Anatoliy Lisovskiy]

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Brian Gupta <brian...@brandorr.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM, R.I.Pienaar <r...@devco.net> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Stahnke" <sta...@puppetlabs.com>
>> To: puppet...@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:49:44 PM
>> Subject: [Puppet Users] Thoughts on job listings?
>>
>> How do folks feel about getting Puppet job listings on this list?
>> I've rejected a few that we quite spammy, but when the subject matter
>> really is a system admin with puppet experience, the decision becomes
>> a bit different.
>>
>> I'm looking for general feelings.  A simple +1 or -1 would be great.
>
> job postings from community members looking for themselves/their employers
> with clear direct to employer contact information +1
>
> job postings from recruiters -1

+1 to both suggestions. If we limit it to relevant on topic postings
from principals, and keep recruiters out, it *should* keep volume low.

+1 for  real needs, -1 for recruiters. When recruiters have a candidate they continue advertising the position in order to get more candidates to show their hard work.
Too much noise.

[Craig Dunn]

On 30/05/2012 21:49, Michael Stahnke wrote:

So is there an outcome to this? Is it acceptable for community members
to post Puppet related jobs here?

[devzero2000]

Linkedin is a good place

2012/5/30, Steve Traylen <steve....@cern.ch>:

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[Shawn]

+1 for linked in
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[Michael Stahnke]

I let this sit for a week or so to see what response would be.

In general:

If you are a puppet user/community member and want to post a job at
your company, that is ok. Please add JOB to the subject line.

If you are a recruiter or hiring for a 3rd party, it is not ok. You
can use traditional recruiting tools.




Mike Stahnke

[Steve Traylen]

One way to force the generic recruiters out is to only allow people to post a one

line top post of whatever advert they like providing they are answering or 

attempting to answer a question that has been asked.

Steve.

 

Mike Stahnke