We're changing the module community triage/meeting date and time!

[Ashley Penney]

Hi,

As some of you will know we've been copying the platform team and doing a weekly triage/meeting amongst the community to discuss current open PRs, requests, code in progress, and simply trying to close PRs on some of the popular modules.

We originally picked 0900 (PST) on Tuesdays to run this but it clashes with leaving work time for a lot of the european community members.  We're going to try moving this to:

1000 (PST) on Thursdays

As before we'll continue to send out a hangout link an hour or so before the hangout as well as make sure we paste it in #puppet-dev for everyone to come along and talk modules with us.  We're hoping the move to slightly later will help our commuting community guys!

Thanks,

[David Schmitt]

Hi,

am I correct that 10:00 PST is this:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140320T10&p1=137
?

Regards, David

On 2014-03-18 16:50, Ashley Penney wrote:
> Hi,
>

> As some of you will know weve been copying the platform team and

> doing
> a weekly triage/meeting amongst the community to discuss current open
> PRs, requests, code in progress, and simply trying to close PRs on
> some of the popular modules.
>
> We originally picked 0900 (PST) on Tuesdays to run this but it
> clashes
> with leaving work time for a lot of the european community members.

>  Were going to try moving this to:
>
> 1000 (PST) ON THURSDAYS
>
> As before well continue to send out a hangout link an hour or so

> before the hangout as well as make sure we paste it in #puppet-dev
> for

> everyone to come along and talk modules with us.  Were hoping the

> move to slightly later will help our commuting community guys!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[Felix Frank]

On 03/18/2014 05:18 PM, David Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> am I correct that 10:00 PST is this:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140320T10&p1=137
> ?
>
> Regards, David

Nope :)

What you linked to is summer time aka Daylight Saving time. PST is in
fact *not* summer time but winter time instead, so the delta is 9 hours
instead of 8. 10 PST is 19:00 CET.

Regards,
Felix

[Erik Dalén]

I thought PST switched to summer time a week or two ago while CET is still in normal time until sunday. The same page says so for Portland for example: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=202

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[Ashley Penney]

My mistake everyone, I have no idea what timezone Portland is in!  You can blame it on the fact I'm an englishman living in america.  I'd make everyone use GMT if I could.

So yes, it's 1000 PDT.  It'll be 10am in Portland every week, if that makes it easier to translate to local timezones. :)

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[Daniele Sluijters]

Yay timezones.

A little lesson on timezones. Portland is in either PST or PDT. S doesn't stand for summer is stands for Standard, aka when daylight savings is not in effect. The D in PDT stands for Daylight, aka when daylight savings is in effect, ergo wat most Europeans would consider Summer which is nice and confusing with the S.

In Europe, CET is equivalent to PST and CEST to PDT. Since the US switches over to daylight saving two-three weeks before Europe (freaking colonies) the offset right now is 8 hours, from PDT which is UTC-7 to CET which is UTC+1.

For this week it means that 10AM PDT = 17:00:00 UTC = 18:00:00 CET. For the upcoming triage on the 20th of March and the 27th of March this is the offset.

Europe switches over into D-time or Summer-time on the 30th of March so from then on out we'll be in UTC+2 instead of +1 (I'm assuming Central Europe timezone here). For the triages from the 3rd of April onwards the offset is thus 9 hours, making it 19:00:00 in CEST when it's 10:00:00 in PDT.

To make matters worse Europe switches back to non-daylight savings before the US (again with the damn colonies). DST ends in Europe on the 26th of October but in the US on the 2nd of November. This in turn means that for the triage on the 30th of October 10:00:00 PDT translates to 17:00:00 UTC but since we've already switched away from DST now is 18:00:00 CET, not CEST.

The week after that, so the 6th of November everyone is back on one line when it comes to DST. We're back to a 9 hours offset so 10:00:00 PST is now again 19:00:00 CET.

References:

- PyCon 2013 / Blame it on Caesar: What you need to know about dates, times and time zones: http://pyvideo.org/video/1765/blame-it-on-caesar-what-you-need-to-know-about-d

- Computerphile / The problem with times and timezones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY

- Timezonebuddy: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html <- Select 10 AM and then search for Portland, not a specific timezone, it'll take care of mapping the right timezones according to DST rules in effect

[John Bollinger]

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:52:07 AM UTC-5, Erik Dalén wrote:

I thought PST switched to summer time a week or two ago while CET is still in normal time until sunday. The same page says so for Portland for example: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=202

PST ("pacific standard time") is not a geographic zone, it is a specific offset from UTC, thus it does not ever change between summer time and winter time.  The region of the United States that keeps time according to PST during the winter did change to summer time a little over a week ago, though, along with most of the rest of the US, so they are now on "pacific daylight time" (PDT).  Yeah, it sometimes confuses us, too.

John