Jira (PUP-6552) Regression: Redhat / Debian / Ubuntu can't specify 'init' provider

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Puppet / Bug PUP-6552
Regression: Redhat / Debian / Ubuntu can't specify 'init' provider
Change By: Kylo Ginsberg
Summary: Forcing Regression:  Redhat ,  /  Debian  and  /  Ubuntu  away from Init  can't specify 'init'  provider  in all circumstances is bad.
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Re: Regression: Redhat / Debian / Ubuntu can't specify 'init' provider

Hi Gary Camblin - I took a look at that Zendesk ticket, and the customer appears to be using a community module that hardcodes the init provider on Redhat, which won't work anymore - the path forward is to specify the redhat provider, but since they can't change the community module, they can't use that path forward. The module needs to be updated, and is currently incompatible with latest versions of puppet.

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Hi Moses Mendoza thanks for looking at the ticket. I was considering suggesting to change the provider to redhat but bug description states when the provider is changed to redhat it will still fail although differently. Are you sure the redhat provider will work?

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Hi Gary Camblin - good question. To change the provider were you going to change the module? It looked like the customer was against having to change the module.. if not, changing the module might work.

The description about the provider failing when changed to "provider => redhat" I'm thinking is actually surfacing a separate problem, wherein the init script itself isn't actually compatible with chkconfig and so fails..

Ie., if the init script doesn't have the chkconfig header, it won't work with chkconfig --add which is what the provider(s) use for enabling. Ie, the lines starting with something like # chkconfig: 2345 80 30

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Ben Hines (JIRA)

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Re: Regression: Redhat / Debian / Ubuntu can't specify 'init' provider

In my case i can change to 'redhat' to fix this, but reading this bug report, it sounds like Moses Mendoza is saying 'init' is no longer going to be supported on redhat. I suspect that's inaccurate.
It's still listed on in the documentation:

https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/latest/types/service.html#service-providers
init
Standard init-style service management.

This seems like a major regression. If 'init' is just not going to be supported on redhat/debian/ubuntu it should probably just be removed...

Thomas Mueller (JIRA)

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Paul Anderson, Ben Hines: at least for RHEL7 and others with systemd I would not recommend to use init/redhat provider. There are some gotchas with SysV init-scripts and systemd. If a SysV service gets started outside of systemd, systemd alsways thinks it is stopped (because it doesn't know about) and report a wrong state. Standard init scripts on RHEL/Fedora source /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions.sh to automatically redirect to systemctl because of this - had some fun finding out that some 3rd party init scripts missing this.

I would think about only setting provider where it is actually required (with maybe a selector https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/latest/lang_conditional.html#selectors).

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Thomas Mueller, In this case, it's an issue of supporting a 3rd party-provided commercial init script that is intended to run both on Solaris and RHEL.

I presume the customer accepts the inherent limitations of the script provided by their software vendor, just that they want Puppet to be able to start and stop it such as it is.

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CS Priority: Minor
CS Impact: This bug forces customers to switch their modules to use more specific providers where previously they could just use `init`.
CS Severity: 2 - Annoyance
CS Business Value: 2 - $$$
CS Frequency: 1 - 1-5% of Customers
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Re: Regression: Redhat / Debian / Ubuntu can't specify 'init' provider

Moved to Open for triage. Is this still an issue?
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