[PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
Barbara Wilkinson
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
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of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really that
useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps. If I
was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both with
active stabilizers.
Best of Luck
Carmen
La Paz Mexico
John Marshall
IMHO. I find inhaling diesel fumes contributes to sea sickness.
However, with a dry stack, cockpits are great places to get a breath
of fresh air when underway, although there is little sense in making
them too big. You aren't going to have a dinner party out there while
underway.
Once we're at the dock or at anchor, the covered flybridge is where we
socialize when the weather is good. Its airy, its big, its up high and
has a great view and cool breezes. Or we set up a table and chairs on
the boat deck.
Bottom line, the cockpit is the least used area of our boat. It's just
my personal preference, but I'd always keep the cockpit small and use
that space for the salon.
John Marshall
Pacific Northwest
Ron Rogers
KK42's pilothouse by a passing sportfisherman on the Severn River, I can
attest that they roll like crazy. Most KK42's have foam core from the
waterline up. Some have foam all the way to the keel. Late models are solid
fiberglass. They need a well-reinforced active stabilizer installation
costing about $40,000. Slow trawlers need large fin area stabilizers like
the Naiad 252 or equivalent. The wooden doors on older KK42's are not
adequate for ocean service and I am not interested in those who have
ventured-forth successfully with them. Otherwise they are seaworthy and
commodious boats with good storage and a basement. Goods placed in the
basement would have to be in waterproof wrapping. The vessels of its era did
not come equipped with ocean crossing in mind. They look great.
I have only seen one Selene up close and it was a 53 and beautiful. It had
twin Cummins engines. Unlike KK yachts (the newer ones are of even higher
quality) the Selenes do not appear to have a full displacement hull as the
after section flattens out. Some owners think that they are
full-displacement and Selene has made the forward hull "deeper." Selenes
also require adaptation for ocean voyaging, A key factor in both brands is
their range with existing fuel tanks at say 6 knots.
These are dramatically different boats. The Nordhavn 46 comes closer to the
KK42 conceptually, but is a proven world-circling full-displacement trawler
and they usually have either or both active and passive stabilization. Be
sure that crossing the Atlantic is in your future. You mention crossing as
deck cargo so that would subtract most of the North Atlantic, but the coast
of Europe is the Atlantic and the Med (Mare Nostrum) and is not tame. Any of
these boats would be comfortable as canal cruisers, although most would have
to fold down their masts.
Ron Rogers
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thorne
You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical and north
of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really that
useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps. If I
was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both with
active stabilizers.
barbarawilkinson
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
Ken Williams
model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model.... The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and
almost no cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be
Barb & Don:
It might be beyond your budget, and possibly a waste of time, but before
giving up on Nordhavn, you might want to check out the used Nordhavn 62
market. There is an extreme amount of exterior deck space, and it's a pretty
tough world out there right now. My guess is that an old N62 could be picked
up cheaper than you think, and that sellers will grumble a lot, but take
seriously offers that they would have laughed at a year ago.
-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
(former N62 owner)
PS That said, I haven't actually looked to see if any of the older N62s are
for sale...
Scott E. Bulger
following observations:
a. It appears to be a well cared for boat, that is good.
b. There is no mention of stabilization. I'm not real familiar with Selene
and their hull form, but I would be concerned about heading out to sea in a
non-stabilized trawler.
c. The boat is light on current, redundant electronics. I'd duplicate a
source of chartplotting, radios and autopilot for a cruise of the length
your considering.
If it's the 1996 Krogen widebody on www.yachtworld.com...
a. It also looks well cared for and loved
b. Doesn't appear stabilized. A non stabilized Krogen will roll in the
open ocean. It's not that bad as long as the crew is not prone to motion
sickness.
c. Boat electronics are dated, but functional, a bit better put together
than the Selene.
Overall I'd tip my hat to the Krogen if it was really a horse race between
the two. Of course there is only so much you can tell from an add. I'd
sure try to get a ride on each boat from an owner and see how the seakeeping
is. Those are pretty long distances your talking about and your going to
want something reliable and comfortable. If it was me, I'd look really hard
at the Krogen, mostly because of reputation and resale value. Of course in
this market, those are pretty much things of the past...
Scott E. Bulger
(425)313-5922, home
(425)922-1850, cell
Tim Johnson
of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats. I've owned six wet exhaust boats
of various types. Those with the exhaust exiting the stern through a
flat transom can suffer from the "station wagon" effect at higher
speeds, resulting in exhaust fumes being sucked back into the
cockpit. This can be unpleasant. On my last two boats, a Nordhavn 57
and 64, the exhaust exits at the aft starboard corner through an
outlet that is underwater at about six knots. The exhaust is thus
swept back behind the boat and does not come into the cockpit. There
is no exhaust odor in the cockpit.
The wet vs. dry debate is endless. For a thorough discussion of the
issue, I suggest Dave Gerr's article in the February/March and April/
May 2008 issue of Professional Boat Builder: After weighing the
plusses and minuses of each choice, Gerr concludes: "[M]y preference
is for wet exhaust on yachts and most small passenger vessels. I
think the majority of boat owners will be happier living with a wet
exhaust."
Tim Johnson
M/V CLAIRBUOYANT
Nordhavn 64 #06
t...@timandclair.com
Brian Smyth
We build almost exclusively wet exhausts, and you are absolutely right! We
have delivered boats long distances and fine the boats very clean on
arrival. I also think wet exhausts are less expensive to build, and if an
exhaust separator is used, they are really clean and quite!
Brian
Yachtsmiths International
John Marshall
Perhaps the various wet exhaust boats I've been on didn't handle the
exhaust correctly, but I could always smell a bit of burned diesel,
especially with a following or quartering wind. (But none of them were
wet-exhaust Nordhavns). Given we're pretty slow, the wind is often
blowing from the back.
Or maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to the fumes.
John
2el...@netbistro.com
From: "John Marshall" <johnam...@gmail.com>
> Perhaps the various wet exhaust boats I've been on didn't handle the
> exhaust correctly, but I could always smell a bit of burned diesel,
> especially with a following or quartering wind. (But none of them were
> wet-exhaust Nordhavns). Given we're pretty slow, the wind is often
> blowing from the back.
>
> Or maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to the fumes.
>
> John
REPLY
Unless you do tank testing to determine the exact water flow at the stern
at varying speeds, it would be hard to get the location exactly right. On
the big boats that I have been on they vented the exhaust down and out
from the very bottom of the boat. There was a bypass for idling at the dock
that exited near the stern at the water line.
I once tried to incorporate this design concept into a 50 footer but it was
rather crowded with the required wet exhaust pipes plus a bypass. My
mentor, Mike Harling expressd the opinion that it was not practical for
smaller than hulls of about 70 feet.
Arild
Ron Rogers
the saloon door closed most of the time underway. My exhaust is at the
waterline under a vented swim platform. Underwater exhausts may be the way
to go. Some dry exhaust owners complain of carbon soot falling on the boat
in certain wind conditions.
Ron Rogers
David Evans
This is a very important topic which I am actively debating ( with myself )
in fact I just sent a note to Scott Bulger to elicit his opinion
about the "necessity" of dry exhaust on a coastal cruiser. I was wishing
American Tugs could be ordered with a Lugger, dry exhaust and a Nordhavn
gravity fuel system. The gas powered boats I've owned were always having
trouble with the exhaust risers and it seems like a good idea in the long
run to keep salt water away from your metal engine parts. The fishermen have
been using dry exhaust for decades, altough I have heard it argued that
this was merely the cheaper way to go. However, this would seem not to be
the case with a yacht. I best order the article and read what Dave Gerr has
to say. I am interested in your experiences too.
Thank-you
David E.
Poulsbo/Keyport, Wa.,
Currently in Glendale, Az.,
Steve Harmer
exhaust and have never had any smell/problems related to it at all.
Certainly keeps the roof of the pilothouse cleaner!
Steve H
Highl...@aol.com
We chartered a number of trawlers for a week or two at a time and discovered
all the things we wanted and didn't want. If your investing 5-7 years then
putting in a few weeks with charters will provide an abundance of information.
Happy boating.
Jim Hughes
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:30:12 -0800
From: "Barbara Wilkinson " <xb...@charter.net>
Subject: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
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Hi Everyone!
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:10:12 -0800
From: Anthony Thorne <ajpe...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: Barbara Wilkinson <xb...@charter.net>
Cc: passagemakin...@lists.samurai.com
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You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical and north
of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really that
useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps. If I
was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both with
active stabilizers.
Best of Luck
Carmen
La Paz Mexico
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Wilkinson <xb...@charter.net>wrote:
> Hi Everyone!
>
>
>
> We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
> a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
> down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
> side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of
> the
> Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the
> Black
> Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
>
>
>
> We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
> bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
> cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
> with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull
design
> really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
> plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
> with both of them!
>
>
>
> Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
> Trader, but this time we're serious!
>
>
>
> Barb & Don
>
> Reno, Nevada.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:22:05 -0800
From: John Marshall <johnam...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: Anthony Thorne <ajpe...@gmail.com>
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A cockpit on a boat with a wet exhaust is uninhabitable underway,
IMHO. I find inhaling diesel fumes contributes to sea sickness.
However, with a dry stack, cockpits are great places to get a breath
of fresh air when underway, although there is little sense in making
them too big. You aren't going to have a dinner party out there while
underway.
Once we're at the dock or at anchor, the covered flybridge is where we
socialize when the weather is good. Its airy, its big, its up high and
has a great view and cool breezes. Or we set up a table and chairs on
the boat deck.
Bottom line, the cockpit is the least used area of our boat. It's just
my personal preference, but I'd always keep the cockpit small and use
that space for the salon.
John Marshall
Pacific Northwest
On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Anthony Thorne wrote:
> You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical
> and north
> of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really
> that
> useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps.
> If I
> was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both
> with
> active stabilizers.
>
> Best of Luck
>
> Carmen
> La Paz Mexico
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Wilkinson
> <xb...@charter.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later
>> model) or
>> a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from
>> Alaska,
>> down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the
>> Carib, a
>> side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least
>> half of
>> the
>> Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to
>> the
>> Black
>> Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
>>
>>
>>
>> We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers
>> with low
>> bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and
>> almost no
>> cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be
>> compatible
>> with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen
>> hull design
>> really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the
>> waters we
>> plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall
>> in love
>> with both of them!
>>
>>
>>
>> Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was
>> a Marine
>> Trader, but this time we're serious!
>>
>>
>>
>> Barb & Don
>>
>> Reno, Nevada.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:14:38 -0500
From: "Ron Rogers" <rcro...@kennett.net>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selene or Kadey Krogen?
To: "'Anthony Thorne'" <ajpe...@gmail.com>, "'Barbara Wilkinson'"
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:26:55 -0800
From: "barbarawilkinson" <barbaraw...@charter.net>
Subject: [PUP] Selene or Kadey Krogen?
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Hi Everyone!
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:14:13 -0700
From: "Ken Williams" <k...@kensblog.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: "'Barbara Wilkinson '" <xb...@charter.net>,
<passagemakin...@lists.samurai.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
"... We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later
model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model.... The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and
almost no cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be
compatible with our need to live mostly on the decks! ..."
Barb & Don:
It might be beyond your budget, and possibly a waste of time, but before
giving up on Nordhavn, you might want to check out the used Nordhavn 62
market. There is an extreme amount of exterior deck space, and it's a pretty
tough world out there right now. My guess is that an old N62 could be picked
up cheaper than you think, and that sellers will grumble a lot, but take
seriously offers that they would have laughed at a year ago.
-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
(former N62 owner)
PS That said, I haven't actually looked to see if any of the older N62s are
for sale...
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on your bow, no problem. However if it is on your stern and faster than
trawler speed, you just don't outrun the diesel odor.
-- Jim
I take exception to John Marshall's comment re the "uninhabitability"
of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats.
Ron Rogers
You can block these emails from within your email program until he returns
and responds to your routine request. He is not being paid you know. Why
make a pest of yourself to the rest of us when we are powerless to help you?
Ron Rogers
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Milt Baker
intuitive approach to boatkeeping and whose literate, articulate posts
resonate very well with me. This time, however, I have to say I think John
missed the boat.
Like Tim, I've owned a half-dozen wet exhaust boats over several decades and
have rarely had a problem with an inhabitable cockpit due to exhaust. The only
time a problem arises, it seems, is when the wind is from abraft the beam
(don't you love that phrase?!) at greater than the yacht's speed, and on the
rare occasion when that occurs it's usually easy to alter course to give the
cockpit party clear air.
My Nordhavn 47 is the only one (so far!) with wet exhaust, and there's no way
I'd trade it for a dry stack boat. The fine folks at PAE told me a dry stack
boat was the way to go, but I persisted and ended up with a great wet exhaust
boat and have not looked back. Over 18,000 miles in 4 years, including an
ocean-crossing and a lot of putt-putting along various coasts in Europe, the
Caribbean, the Bahamas, and the USA, I have yet to have a problem of
consequence from my wet exhaust system. If I were ordering a new yacht of any
kind today there's no question that I'd spec wet exhaust.
Tim's right: having the exhaust exit the boat on the quarter all but
eliminates exhaust problems in the cockpit. He's right again that the wet vs.
dry debate goes on and on. There is no single right answer. I admit it's
best to be less dogmatic than I am on the subject.
Something I like very much about our cruising/yachting lifestyle is that there
are no absolute answers on questions like this. There's every bit as much
evidence supporting dry stack as wet exhaust, and it all comes down to what
you prefer--or, perhaps more important, what you have experience with. I
prefer wet exhaust because that's where my experience lies, and a dry stack
boat ain't likely to be in my future.
But you never know!
--Milt Baker, Nordhavn 47 Bluewater, Fort Lauderdale
Tim wrote:
I take exception to John Marshall's comment re the "uninhabitability"
of the cockpit on wet exhaust boats. I've owned six wet exhaust boats
of various types. Those with the exhaust exiting the stern through a
flat transom can suffer from the "station wagon" effect at higher
speeds, resulting in exhaust fumes being sucked back into the
cockpit. This can be unpleasant. On my last two boats, a Nordhavn 57
and 64, the exhaust exits at the aft starboard corner through an
outlet that is underwater at about six knots. The exhaust is thus
swept back behind the boat and does not come into the cockpit. There
is no exhaust odor in the cockpit.
The wet vs. dry debate is endless. For a thorough discussion of the
issue, I suggest Dave Gerr's article in the February/March and April/
May 2008 issue of Professional Boat Builder: After weighing the
plusses and minuses of each choice, Gerr concludes: "[M]y preference
is for wet exhaust on yachts and most small passenger vessels. I
think the majority of boat owners will be happier living with a wet
exhaust."
John Marshall
When I go back and think about it, my underway bad experiences are
with boats with transom exhausts. The side-exhaust is apparently a
much better approach.
My only experience there is with my side-exhaust wing engine due to
the wind angle, but that exhaust is well forward, just aft of the side
boarding door. A main engine exhaust would not be that far forward.
So thanks to several replies, I stand corrected. My negative
experiences with wet exhaust don't reflect the way Nordhavn and
possibly others build wet exhausts, and are more reflective of
Bayliner-grade boats, which is where I got turned off to it.
John Marshall
Dennis OConnor
two exhaust pipes - an impressively large can nicely insulated and painted..
My very first thought on seeing it was, a likely failure item down the road...
Seawater and exhaust gases do not mix well with metal, especially when it
cannot be inspected...
My druthers would be a dry exhaust with a tall stack...
The upside of of the system used on the AT is that it is VERY quiet and only
once in a while a whiff of exhaust gas when the rear saloon door was open...
denny / k8do
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