Are Traffic Lights a Waste of Time and Money and not Eco Friendly???

[Sujit Patwardhan]

28 December 2006


I'd posted something on this earlier but her eis the verdit from Yahoo....
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=At_EQUtOwaPkjO.v6UJgMQAjzKIX?qid=20061020160604AA2Hluk

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[Rajendra Sidhaye]

Hi,

 

Although the subject line sounds general, we need to see if what is said inside really applies to us:

Following phrases from that yahoo writeup are imp:

 

1. As a pedestrian you had to wait at a light ...... when there is no trafic to stop

2. When traffic lights at a junction stop working, Bristish motorist is capable of ...... 

 

Point 1 above indicates low traffic condition. In general, round-abouts work only when traffic is low to medium and .....Yes...when people honour rules and rights of way.

 

As such even in India, people are capable of 'managing' (say early mornings) when lights are not working at a junction... but when traffic is more than a threshold we know what happens at those junctions.

 

Pradeep has made an imp point. "As long has we have people who don't follow rules "on their own" ..... Neither technical solutions nor policy decisions would help".

 

We surely need BRT & an improved PMT. But we do need SPTM (Save Pune Traffic Movement) to make it happen, to drive those changes the way they should happen. Otherwise, the way it is currently happening should not be a surprise. And even after those solutions get implemented, we can reach our dream traffic condition only when people adopt the spirit of SPTM, i.e. follow rules 'on our own', not because someone is watching.

 

Moral of the story: Do work on whichever front you are working, but to make it finally work, 

also join SPTM :)

 

Please write to me (instead of to 'reply all'), if you want more info on SPTM or to know how to participate. Thanks.

 

Rajendra

www.savepunetraffic.com

 

Together, we can make it happen !

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Subject: RE: Are Traffic Lights a Waste of Time and Money and not Eco Friendly???

Hi,

 

I entirely agree with Alan's point 2.

 

In India the biggest problem is people. As long has we have people who don't follow rules "on their own" (irrespective of the law enforcement) things can't improve. Neither technical solutions nor policy decisions would help. I would say good citizens build good cities. Building good cities doesn't necessarily build good citizens.

 

To that extent, I see technical or policy solutions to our city problems pointless.

 

...Pradeep

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Subject: RE: Are Traffic Lights a Waste of Time and Money and not Eco Friendly???

1. In the UK, (in general) if you replaced traffic lights with roundabouts (as suggested on Yahoo! Answers), delays for road traffic would reduce - but land take would be higher, and pedestrian safety and delays would be compromised.

 

2.  In India, the problem is not "traffic lights or roundabouts" - it is the abysmal standard of driving and lack of enforcement of traffic rules.

 

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