boo hiss.. suckered by the MPAA..

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Aaron Baer

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Nov 12, 2009, 7:23:32 PM11/12/09
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http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20091109/UPDATES01/91109015

COSHOCTON — A free service enjoyed by hundreds has been shut down due to illegal activity conducted by one individual.

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Russell Senior

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:24:31 PM11/12/09
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>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Baer <aa...@slyness.org> writes:

Aaron> http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20091109/UPDATES01/91109015
Aaron> COSHOCTON A free service enjoyed by hundreds has been shut down
Aaron> due to illegal activity conducted by one individual.

Dumb article, sadly typical of today's "journalism". As far as I can
tell, the story doesn't say who made the decision to disconnect. The
"one person who ruined it for everyone" was the one that made that
decision, not the dude or dudette that was allegedly downloading the
movie.

We _occasionally_, like maybe a half-dozen time in the 4 years I've
been involved with PTP, get a notification of some claim of illegal
downloading. We respond to those notifications by investigating and,
where appropriate, blocking access to a particular person. It does
not require cutting off the service in its entirety, and anyone who
says it does is smoking bad rope.

PTP does occasionally block bittorrent or bittorrent-like traffic on
our nodes, but since we can't tell whether the content is illegal or
not unless we have a specific complaint, we are blocking it because it
is interfering with others use of the network by saturating the
upstream bandwidth. We consider circumstances like that to be abusive
and we are acting to protect the network, not to enforce someone's
hypothetical copyright claim.


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Russell Senior, President
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Tom Higgins

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:33:07 PM11/12/09
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Treating the problem by throwing the baby out with the bathwater is
dumb, but then again that is how so many things are done by such
agencies. That this was being run by the country in questions means it
probably had little recourse to the reasoned technical solutions the
PTP has. The prices they quoted in the article for solutions to the
problem seemed of the sort suits and ties would push on nontechincal
admins.

Sad that a service had to go down to a lack of reason and understanding.

Happy though that the PTP is run by those who know better.

-tomhiggins

Rick Lindahl

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Nov 13, 2009, 12:15:41 PM11/13/09
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Most of the ISP's that we work with track down the alleged user by IP
address and are then required to first warn them and then disconnect them.
Shutting down the entire network and blaming it on one user is either
irresponsible journalism and/or a poorly managed wireless network. My guess
is this was either not reported correctly or was just the excuse that
someone used that wanted to shut it down anyway.

Very sad either way...

Rick Lindahl
Invictus Networks

Michael Weinberg

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:57:25 PM11/13/09
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:15 AM, "Rick Lindahl"
<ri...@invictusnetworks.com> wrote:

>
>
> Most of the ISP's that we work with track down the alleged user by IP
> address and are then required to first warn them and then disconnect
> them.
> Shutting down the entire network and blaming it on one user is either
> irresponsible journalism and/or a poorly managed wireless network.

It sounds like the entire network had one public IP, so someone
probably did contact the ISP, who shut down the Internet connection.

Likely, the network is still up, but lacking the precious Internet
access.

> My guess
> is this was either not reported correctly or was just the excuse that
> someone used that wanted to shut it down anyway.

The network operators and ISP may have both been slightly ignorant
about how to respond to these notices when they apply to a heavily
used wireless network. Namely that making a best effort to address the
issue should be adequate, and requesting that the MPAA give you more
information to investigate if they expect you to help them is totally
reasonable.

> Very sad either way...

Indeed, this sounds like it was a very popular and useful network.
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