Looping MPG Movies

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Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 2:52:13 AM6/17/09
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I am trying to find a way of creating movies that play Panos
automatically without user interaction (i.e. a looping mpeg of a
360deg panoramic sweep). I've done one where I created a QVTR then
recorded the pan using BB FlashBack. Not ideal because the cursor
shows and you need to edit it carefully for the loop to work.

Any suggestions?

Andre Regini

HansNyberg

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:25:24 AM6/17/09
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May I ask what the purpose is.
Besides using it for a DVD on a DVD player or for use at a TV
presentation I can not see why.

Hans

Keith Martin

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:52:16 AM6/17/09
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Sometime around 17/6/09 (at 02:25 -0700) HansNyberg said:

>Besides using it for a DVD on a DVD player or for use at a TV
>presentation I can not see why.

I produced something like what's described about a year ago. It was
used for looping playback on a wall-mounted flat-screen TV in the
company's reception.

I used Photo to Movie. There were limitations, but it worked out.

k

Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:34:59 AM6/17/09
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Several reasons. Some of my clients want to put looping pano movies as
banners or just links on their websites which just play and do not
require QT or any user interaction.

I've also got another client who wanted to put a pano up on uTube.
Currently you can only do it as an MPEG movie.

Also when I'm out and about I tend to initially hook clients by
showing them my port on my windows mobile PDA (HTC TytnII). As yet I
haven't found QT for windows mobile let alone one that plays QTVR.

Andre Regini
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Willy Kaemena

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:59:34 AM6/17/09
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you could put a linear pano in youtube see here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT-HRWz3Cuc

There is several software available to achieve this

Willy Kaemena
wkae...@gmail.com

Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 7:07:32 AM6/17/09
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Thought about that. Looked at doing something similar in Roxio.
Unfortunately with that method you don't get the image transforms you
get with QTVR so it doesn't have s good virtual feel. You also have to
be very careful about the start and end points as well as producing a
360 pano image plus your initial viewing window. (say your window was
30deg wide, your pano image would need to be 390deg wide). The image
also has to be offset so that the initial start view for the movie is
at the far left (or far right). All very fiddley.

Andre Regini

Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 7:22:54 AM6/17/09
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Aha! Yes I saw this movie a few weeks ago and figured that it had been
authored as a full on VR movie. Just wanting something a little
simpler and cheaper than what I've seen. (The Ad for VRbrochureFX has
a demo without any VR transforms i.e. it's just a slide and zoom along
a 360 pano!)

Andre Regini

On Jun 17, 11:59 am, Willy Kaemena <wkaem...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>   you could put a linear pano in youtube  see here  :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT-HRWz3Cuc
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> There is several software available to achieve this
>
> Willy Kaemena
> wkaem...@gmail.com
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:34, Andre Regini wrote:
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> > Several reasons. Some of my clients want to put looping pano movies as
> > banners or just links on their websites which just play and do not
> > require QT or any user interaction.
>
> > I've also got another client who wanted to put a pano up on uTube.
> > Currently you can only do it as an MPEG movie.
>
> > Also when I'm out and about I tend to initially hook clients by
> > showing them my port on my windows mobile PDA (HTC TytnII). As yet I
> > haven't found QT for windows mobile let alone one that plays QTVR.
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> > Andre Regini
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> > On Jun 17, 10:25 am, HansNyberg <hans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> May I ask what the purpose is.
> >> Besides using it for a DVD on a DVD player or for use at a TV
> >> presentation I can not see why.
>
> >> Hans
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> >> On Jun 17, 8:52 am, Andre Regini <a.reg...@kingbridge.co.uk> wrote:
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> >>> I am trying to find a way of creating movies that play Panos
> >>> automatically without user interaction (i.e. a looping mpeg of a
> >>> 360deg panoramic sweep). I've done one where I created a QVTR then
> >>> recorded the pan using BB FlashBack. Not ideal because the cursor
> >>> shows and you need to edit it carefully for the loop to work.
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> >>> Any suggestions?
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Bjørn K Nilssen

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Jun 17, 2009, 8:33:44 AM6/17/09
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On 17 Jun 2009 at 3:34, Andre Regini wrote:

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> Several reasons. Some of my clients want to put looping pano movies as
> banners or just links on their websites which just play and do not
> require QT or any user interaction.
>
> I've also got another client who wanted to put a pano up on uTube.
> Currently you can only do it as an MPEG movie.
>
> Also when I'm out and about I tend to initially hook clients by
> showing them my port on my windows mobile PDA (HTC TytnII). As yet I
> haven't found QT for windows mobile let alone one that plays QTVR.

You can view interactive panos on your PDA with Immervisions Pure Player, using ivp
packed equirectangular jpegs, complete with tour-options like hotspots etc. Works very
well on my oldish iPaq anyway.

--
Bjørn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D


HansNyberg

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Jun 17, 2009, 8:54:05 AM6/17/09
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On Jun 17, 12:34 pm, Andre Regini <a.reg...@kingbridge.co.uk> wrote:
> Several reasons. Some of my clients want to put looping pano movies as
> banners or just links on their websites which just play and do not
> require QT or any user interaction.

For this purpose you should just make a Pano2VR flashpanorama with
autorotation.
Why waste a lot of bandwidth for a video when a panorama can do the
same at less than 1/10 of the size in Mb

> I've also got another client who wanted to put a pano up on uTube.
> Currently you can only do it as an MPEG movie.

For that PanotoMovie Mac version is the best but you can also use
Pano2movie.com for PC and Mac
>
> Also when I'm out and about I tend to initially hook clients by
> showing them my port on my windows mobile PDA (HTC TytnII). As yet I
> haven't found QT for windows mobile let alone one that plays QTVR.

As far as I know thee are several solutions for interactive panoramas
for this.

Hans

Carlos Chegado

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Jun 17, 2009, 9:08:51 AM6/17/09
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Hans,

There are applications that need this, for example to integrate this footage on larger video projects.
Also, I don't think it is a waste of bandwidth when someone is watching a video with 360º panoramas in it!

So, is Pano2Movie the best option to make this in Windows?

Carlos Chegado




HansNyberg escreveu:

Keith Martin

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Jun 17, 2009, 10:33:03 AM6/17/09
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Sometime around 17/6/09 (at 05:54 -0700) HansNyberg said:

>Why waste a lot of bandwidth for a video when a panorama can do the
>same at less than 1/10 of the size in Mb

This did cross my mind too. If it is delivered as a SWF panorama
rather than QT then compatibility is less of an issue, and as an
actual pano someone could even interact if they want to.

k

Keith Martin

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Jun 17, 2009, 10:32:50 AM6/17/09
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Sometime around 17/6/09 (at 03:34 -0700) Andre Regini said:

>Also when I'm out and about I tend to initially hook clients by
>showing them my port on my windows mobile PDA (HTC TytnII). As yet I
>haven't found QT for windows mobile let alone one that plays QTVR.

You won't get QTVR working on that, but the Immervision Java-based
solution should do the job. However... I have two syllables for you:
iPhone. :)

k

Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 1:01:41 PM6/17/09
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iPhone errm ..Johnny come lateley... I got my first 3G win mobile
(with keyboard!) 3 years ago, long before the iPhone came out.

iPhone will have some serious problems soon as the other phone
manufacturers head down the Win Mobile route. Picked up a Sony
Ericsson Xperia running Win Mob the other day. Totally freaky
experience because there was no learning curve at all. Everything
operated the same way as on my TyTnII. Found myself simply comparing
the screen and keyboard. Mobile manufacturers will now be competing
purely on hardware specs (battery life, op speed, memory, screen etc)
not on ops systems.

Yep iPhone is a nice toy and if I had enough pockets and time I'd
carry one as well as my TyTnII. But I know so many people in business
who've had one and gone back to a PDA mobile because they found it too
much of a toy, and less of tool they can run their business with. As
an aside, I even know someone who made the mistake of telling a bunch
of us how he was doing some DIY and decided to use the spirit level.
Dropped it and cracked the screen. 3 days old. How we all laughed.
Moral... it's a gadget not a tool.

Andre Regini

Andre Regini

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Jun 17, 2009, 1:05:32 PM6/17/09
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Thanks for the input..

Looked at both of these and I think that the Pano2VR is the way
because you can do SWF and QT outputs. I guess I can convert them to
mpgs for comatibility afterwards.

Might give Immervision a run later to get round my PDA issue.

Andre
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HansNyberg

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Jun 17, 2009, 3:10:13 PM6/17/09
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Just as an illustration to this I changed my splash for the current
feature at panoramas.dk to a flashpanorama.
It took less than 15 minutes to do and I actually never used Pano2VR
for this purpose before,
http://www.panoramas.dk

The size of this one is 272 kb,

Just to show what happens if you convert it to a video I made a
screenshot video with full 360 degree panning.
http://www.panoramas.dk/indexvideo.html

The size compressed with H-264 medium is 9.2 mb.

I think that says it all.

Hans

Keith Martin

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Jun 21, 2009, 2:38:33 PM6/21/09
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Sometime around 17/6/09 (at 10:01 -0700) Andre Regini said:

>iPhone errm ..Johnny come lateley... I got my first 3G win mobile
>(with keyboard!) 3 years ago, long before the iPhone came out.

No disrespect intended Andre, really, and this is my feeling of
course - but I don't think it is about being first, it is about
capturing hearts and minds.

The real issue isn't about which is a better phone. Depending on what
you like doing, the Blackberry may well be far better for you than an
iPhone. But what many pundits *still* miss is the fact that the
iPhone isn't just a phone with features, it is a new platform. There
are certainly other good phones around, and other good palmtop
computers too. But the iPhone is carving a different path.

Sure, the base features aren't earth-shakingly new, but Apple *does*
have an enviable feel for UI - and the whole is *definitely* far
greater than the sum of the parts. Personally, I feel that competing
on hardware specs is a mug's game, and Apple has managed to avoid
this pretty much entirely.

Time will tell. But remember: it isn't about individual features, it
is about the platform.

And getting back to what I think was the original point, you can play
panoramas on your Win Mobile device just fine using Immervision's
PURE Player tools.

k

Ken Warner

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Jun 21, 2009, 2:51:36 PM6/21/09
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I don't even have a cell phone -- or a TV.

But I do have a lot of time to read books....

Keith Martin

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Jun 21, 2009, 2:59:27 PM6/21/09
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Sometime around 21/6/09 (at 11:51 -0700) Ken Warner said:

>But I do have a lot of time to read books....

Another excellent and time-tested platform. :-)

k

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