Gigapan EPIC Pro and PTGui

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Henricus

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Jun 8, 2010, 6:47:01 AM6/8/10
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Hello Forum,

in order to make multi-row panoramas which have been taken by an EPIC
Pro, I buyed PTGui Pro. Since yesterday, I desperately (and
unsuccessfully....) try to render a 9x10 frames pano. The scenery
contains a wide area of blue, cloudless sky, and PTGui mixes up these
pics.

Is there any setting I could alter in order to tell PTGui: this is a
9x10 (or whatever else) matrix - ordered in the sequence Line-by-line
or row-by-row, like Gigapan stichter does?

Otherwise - what ca I do to re-arrange my pics?

Many thanks in advance and

best regards from German color space
Henricus

mick crane

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Jun 8, 2010, 6:55:26 AM6/8/10
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On Tue, June 8, 2010 11:47 am, Henricus wrote:
> Hello Forum,
>
>
> in order to make multi-row panoramas which have been taken by an EPIC Pro,
> I buyed PTGui Pro. Since yesterday, I desperately (and
> unsuccessfully....) try to render a 9x10 frames pano. The scenery contains
> a wide area of blue, cloudless sky, and PTGui mixes up these pics.
>
> Is there any setting I could alter in order to tell PTGui: this is a
> 9x10 (or whatever else) matrix - ordered in the sequence Line-by-line
> or row-by-row, like Gigapan stichter does?
>
> Otherwise - what ca I do to re-arrange my pics?

buyed ====> bought

you have to optimize the project then move the sky ones that it's
impossible to find control points for either in the editor by dragging or
by typing the numbers in the image parameters window then make panorama
without optimizing.

I think.

mick

Henricus

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Jun 8, 2010, 8:06:22 AM6/8/10
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> buyed ====> bought

...oops - sorry!

The task of re-arranging orphaned pics is really time-consuming work.
In my opinion, pre-defining the matrix dimension and image order
should
make it quite easy for PTGui to stich the pano.

I guess this "feature request" might be important
for all photographers using a motorized pano head.

Henricus

Andrew Stephens

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Jun 8, 2010, 9:34:12 AM6/8/10
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At 11:47 08/06/2010, you wrote:
>Hello Forum,
>
>in order to make multi-row panoramas which have been taken by an EPIC
>Pro, I buyed PTGui Pro. Since yesterday, I desperately (and
>unsuccessfully....) try to render a 9x10 frames pano. The scenery
>contains a wide area of blue, cloudless sky, and PTGui mixes up these
>pics.
>
>
>Otherwise - what ca I do?


Get Autopano Pro or Giga instead?

Andrew

John Houghton

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Jun 8, 2010, 11:48:53 AM6/8/10
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On Jun 8, 11:47 am, Henricus <h...@DeltaE.eu> wrote:
> Otherwise - what ca I do to re-arrange my pics?

I assume you know the yaw increment of the columns and pitch increment
of the rows reasonably accurately, so you can use this information to
set the yaw and pitch values on the Image Parameters tab. It's
slightly laborious but really doesn't take long to select a row of
images and set the pitch, and Fill Yaw will set the yaw values. If
you have good lens parameters from previous stitches (or from a test
panorama) you will leave the optimizer to just fine tune the
alignment. Any orphan images in blue sky will be well enough
positioned to blend in adequately.

John

Scott W

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Jun 8, 2010, 11:49:01 AM6/8/10
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I have used a gigapan with PTGui, the trick is figuring out the
degrees shifted between images, in both pitch and yaw.

Once you have that it is pretty simple to set all the images close to
the correct position using the image parameters tab.

I did have to write a small program to reorder the images from going
column to column to row to row, so I could use the Fill yaw command.
I widh there was a "Fill pitch" command so I would not have to do the
reordering, but it is not really a big deal.

Scott


Erik Krause

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Jun 8, 2010, 12:15:41 PM6/8/10
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Am 08.06.2010 12:47, schrieb Henricus:

> Otherwise - what ca I do to re-arrange my pics?

Use "Fill Yaw". You can select several images (the usual Shift+Click or
Ctrl+Click) in Image Parameters tab, then press Fill Yaw and specify the
Start and Increment angle. "Images per Row" changes and shows some
number but only the selected images are changed.

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Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Henricus

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Jun 10, 2010, 7:41:10 AM6/10/10
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> Use "Fill Yaw". You can select several images (the usual Shift+Click or
> Ctrl+Click) in Image Parameters tab, then press Fill Yaw and specify the
> Start and Increment angle. "Images per Row" changes and shows some
> number but only the selected images are changed.

Erik,

thank you for your posting.
I basically understand the idea, but I wonder why it isn't possible
to tell PTGui to manage that automatically.

I tried to position my images by manually editing
yaw and pitch, but eneded up in a complete mess.

Autopano has got a so-called "import function" which manages
picture from motorized panoheads very easily.

I apologize for saying this:

Without a feature like this, for my purposes,
PTGui is completely useless.

Unfortunately, I tested the software only with an indoor pano,
and found it created significantly better results than Gigapan
Stitcher.

But there was no sky in my living room ... ;-)

So I would like to know two things:

- will an import function for Gigapan be available in the (very) near
future ?
- if not, can I return the software ?

Best regards
Henricus

PTGui Support

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Jun 10, 2010, 8:25:46 AM6/10/10
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On 10-6-2010 13:41, Henricus wrote:
> - will an import function for Gigapan be available in the (very) near
> future ?

It's one of the many things planned for a future version, but I can't
make any promises beforehand.

> - if not, can I return the software ?

Yes, if you are unhappy please contact me directly at sup...@ptgui.com.

Joost

Erik Krause

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Jun 10, 2010, 5:16:15 PM6/10/10
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Am 10.06.2010 13:41, schrieb Henricus:
> Autopano has got a so-called "import function" which manages
> picture from motorized panoheads very easily.

There is the
http://www.papywizard.org/wiki/DataToPtGuiTemplateConverter
Unfortunately it doesn't create valid PTGui templates as I outlined in
the thread about motorized pano heads: http://tinyurl.com/2cgowlp

However, it should be easy to correct those errors and to write a
converter for other formats, too.

Andrew Stephens

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Jun 10, 2010, 5:46:22 PM6/10/10
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Please spell out what needs to be corrected and I'll try and get it updated.

OTOH this won't be relevant to those who are using Gigapan heads as
these don't generate a data file unlike Merlin+Papywizard.

Andrew
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Erik Krause

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Jun 11, 2010, 9:55:50 AM6/11/10
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Am 10.06.2010 23:46, schrieb Andrew Stephens:

> Please spell out what needs to be corrected and I'll try and get it updated.

As I wrote in the "Motorized Pano Heads" thread:
The complete header section is missing and there are no file names given
for the input files. You can apply it as a template
if you copy the headers from a working PTS file (all the lines at the
beginning starting with #- ) and provide a dummy name for each image if
you insert f.e.
#-imgfile 0 0 "i.jpg"
above each but the dummy image o-line. (Unfortunately PTGui requires
this even if the images are not used).

See papywizard_corrected.pts in the groups files section for a corrected
example.

Since the image names are not inside the XML the user is responsible to
load the images in exactly the same order as they where taken, then
apply the template. Since the camera normally names the images
sequentially, perhaps it would be a good idea to input the first name
and the naming scheme, and the converter inserts true names instead of
dummy names. This would turn the result file in a true PTGui project...

best regards

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