Optimizing horizontal Control Points

[Paco]

Hello,
I have updated to PTGui Pro version (9.1.3), and now when I tried
to use horizontal control points for a sea panorama I can't get them
optimized ¿Is required to select a specific option or it doesn't
works?.
Also, the tool doesn`t update correctly the "CP type:" combo for this
kind of points on the left side of a Control Point tab. But this is a
minor detail.

Best Regards,

Paco Lorente
Spain.

[Erik Krause]

Am 16.02.2012 22:14, schrieb Paco:
> I have updated to PTGui Pro version (9.1.3), and now when I tried
> to use horizontal control points for a sea panorama I can't get them

> optimized �Is required to select a specific option or it doesn't
> works?.

Works perfectly here. PTGui should ask to enable Pitch and Roll
optimization for all images if this isn't the case.

Could you provide your project file (without the images for the time
beeing) somewhere for download?

> Also, the tool doesn`t update correctly the "CP type:" combo for this
> kind of points on the left side of a Control Point tab.

In which case should it be updated? If you go to a new image it defaults
either to "Normal" (if two different images are chosen) or "Vertical
line" (if the same image is in both panes).

If you want to change the type later, right click on the list entry.

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

[Paco]

Hello Erik,
this is the project file.

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# Control points:
c n2 N3 x2148 y2196 X337 Y2214 t0
# Control Point No 0: 7.816748772309797
c n2 N3 x2408 y1688 X591 Y1704 t0
# Control Point No 1: 12.40663835950433
c n2 N3 x1723 y2765 X42 Y2850 t0
# Control Point No 2: 4.45425785591218
c n2 N3 x1858 y3285 X403 Y3353 t0
# Control Point No 3: 10.0827226885416
c n4 N3 x208 y2498 X2286 Y2414 t0
# Control Point No 4: 4.568512989053527
c n4 N3 x145 y2903 X2122 Y2807 t0
# Control Point No 5: 3.294915534121363
c n4 N3 x596 y3149 X2457 Y3123 t0
# Control Point No 6: 14.41317969633261
c n4 N3 x386 y1887 X2479 Y1796 t0
# Control Point No 7: 10.32541786432851
c n1 N2 x2003 y1861 X78 Y1858 t0
# Control Point No 8: 6.62954904570213
c n1 N2 x2353 y3167 X702 Y3134 t0
# Control Point No 9: 7.882945064334708
c n1 N2 x2431 y2581 X568 Y2572 t0
# Control Point No 10: 4.472042025355317
c n1 N8 x1421 y3456 X536 Y3336 t0
# Control Point No 11: -1
c n1 N8 x488 y3346 X1482 Y3356 t0
# Control Point No 12: -1
c n1 N8 x896 y3699 X1050 Y3095 t0
# Control Point No 13: -1
c n1 N8 x684 y2927 X1367 Y3802 t0
# Control Point No 14: -1
c n1 N8 x1922 y3639 X94 Y2977 t0
# Control Point No 15: -1
c n8 N4 x1497 y1146 X1772 Y3732 t0
# Control Point No 16: -1
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# Control Point No 17: -1
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# Control Point No 18: -1
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# Control Point No 19: -1
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# Control Point No 20: -1
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# Control Point No 21: -1
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# Control Point No 22: -1
c n7 N3 x1322 y3689 X903 Y1681 t0
# Control Point No 23: -1
c n7 N3 x965 y3613 X590 Y1622 t0
# Control Point No 24: -1
c n7 N3 x1679 y3710 X1214 Y1730 t0
# Control Point No 25: -1
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# Control Point No 26: -1
c n8 N3 x37 y822 X1671 Y3411 t0
# Control Point No 27: -1
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# Control Point No 28: -1
c n8 N3 x731 y248 X2511 Y3064 t0
# Control Point No 29: -1
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# Control Point No 30: -1
c n8 N5 x2020 y371 X61 Y2754 t0
# Control Point No 31: -1
c n8 N5 x1988 y1787 X1437 Y3509 t0
# Control Point No 32: -1
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# Control Point No 33: -1
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# Control Point No 34: -1
c n8 N5 x1833 y1610 X1204 Y3617 t0
# Control Point No 35: -1
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# Control Point No 36: -1
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# Control Point No 37: -1
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# Control Point No 38: -1
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# Control Point No 39: -1
c n6 N8 x1743 y3314 X1814 Y3070 t0
# Control Point No 40: -1
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# Control Point No 41: 18.46242462926679
c n1 N6 x238 y2257 X2384 Y2216 t0
# Control Point No 42: 13.27127033674921
c n1 N6 x313 y1832 X2470 Y1792 t0
# Control Point No 43: 8.374038083290905
c n2 N7 x2024 y1677 X516 Y3569 t0
# Control Point No 44: -1
c n2 N7 x2552 y1838 X1119 Y3832 t0
# Control Point No 45: -1
c n2 N7 x2263 y1739 X778 Y3695 t0
# Control Point No 46: -1
c n2 N7 x1927 y1941 X360 Y3757 t0
# Control Point No 47: -1
c n2 N7 x1683 y1824 X111 Y3542 t0
# Control Point No 48: -1
c n5 N4 x102 y1964 X1938 Y1980 t0
# Control Point No 49: 9.181133419125672
c n5 N4 x864 y3472 X2201 Y3568 t0
# Control Point No 50: 8.476599300429029
c n5 N4 x139 y2801 X1840 Y2779 t0
# Control Point No 51: 1.231356909737926
c n2 N8 x256 y3578 X296 Y3254 t0
# Control Point No 52: -1
c n2 N8 x40 y3620 X535 Y3338 t0
# Control Point No 53: -1
c n2 N8 x106 y3383 X294 Y3463 t0
# Control Point No 54: -1
c n2 N8 x835 y3772 X47 Y2742 t0
# Control Point No 55: -1
c n2 N8 x493 y3546 X70 Y3121 t0
# Control Point No 56: -1
c n5 N6 x1590 y3465 X476 Y3541 t0
# Control Point No 57: 4.810326789547134
c n5 N6 x1324 y3527 X267 Y3647 t0
# Control Point No 58: 3.401923038371267
c n5 N6 x1526 y3592 X483 Y3677 t0
# Control Point No 59: 3.032962298359693
c n4 N4 x1511 y1971 X2542 Y1948 t2
# Control Point No 60: -1
c n5 N5 x83 y1944 X2514 Y1895 t2
# Control Point No 61: -1
c n6 N6 x85 y1934 X1838 Y1948 t2
# Control Point No 62: -1
c n5 N6 x776 y1925 X1303 Y1943 t2
# Control Point No 63: -1

# optimizer:
v v b r1 p1 y2 r2 p2 y3 r3 p3 y4 r4 p4 y5 r5 p5 y6 r6 p6

And about the second question all is Ok. Now I have understood your
criteria.

Also, a pair of requests for the tool.
1- A low cost request. At Tool/Options/Control Point Generator/
Generate at most XXX control points per image pair. If I put less than
5 please only show the warning, not to force a minimum of 5 control
points. Why? Because I always made handheld panoramas and in my
experience with 3 points I get good results, better than with some
more points.
2.- A high cost request. That control points generated between two
images, could be uniformly distributed along a straight line, more-
less. This would define the seam between the images, it works for my
case.
3.- If possible/optionally, avoid control points in clouds or in the
sky.


Thanks you very much.

Paco Lorente

On Feb 16, 10:25 pm, Erik Krause <erik.kra...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 16.02.2012 22:14, schrieb Paco:
>
> > I have updated to PTGui Pro version (9.1.3), and now when I tried
> > to use horizontal control points for a sea panorama I can't get them

> > optimized Is required to select a specific option or it doesn't

[John Houghton]

Paco, I was able to run your project file with PTGui Pro. You have
horizontal line control points, but on the Optimizer tab you have not
checked p & r for all images - including those that are not checked in
the "use control points of" list. As Erik said, you will get a
message that offers to check p & r for all images when you try to run
the optimizer. You can choose not to do this and do the optimization
anyway, in which case the image does not get levelled. However, you
can then level the panorama by going to the Panorama Editor window and
run Edit->Level Panorama. This does not care about the current state
of the y,p,r settings.

It is worth noting that the horizontal line control points are not
used in the general optimization, but are actioned in a separate
levelling process applied to the entire composite image at the end.
This levelling process is the same as that provided in the Panorama
Editor window.

The alternative Panorama Tools optimizer (PTOptimizer.exe available
from the PTGui wed site) WILL optimize as per the settings in your
project file, as that optimizer does take the horizontal line control
points into account in the normal optimization.

John

[Paco]

John,
thanks you very much for your response. But I think that I am
missing something, I have checked all p & r with PTGui Optimizer and
horizontal line control points are not optimized. For the moment I
will try the other options.

Best Regards
Paco Lorente

[John Houghton]

On Feb 17, 6:49 pm, Paco <pacor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have checked all p & r with PTGui Optimizer and
> horizontal line control points are not optimized.

Paco, I don't, of course, have your images (only dummies), but if I
rotate the panorama in the Panorama Editor window by, say, 30 degrees,
running the optimizer clearly brings the panorama back to its original
orientation. This shows that the horizontal line control points are
being used to level the panorama, though they take no part in the main
optimization as I said.

John

[Paco]

Thanks you, John.
I think that there are not necessary horizontal line control
points to level a panorama, all is a problem of math numerical methods
and this kind of points are more parameters in the equations. PTGui
team owns the response in this case.

Best Regards