Using a Nodal Ninja Ultimate M2 with a Fisheye lens

[Kate Jones]

Dear Forum,

 

I currently own a Nodal Ninja Ultimate M2 pano head for my rectilinear lens. However, so many of you have posted that you prefer fisheye lenses that I have added a Nikon 16mm Full Frame Fisheye to my bag.  This lens of course is physically shorter/smaller than the 16-35mm that I have been using.  The pano rig has a 170mm upper rail with an arca swiss clamp for the camera.  I have spoken with Nodal Ninja and they are sending an adapter that will allow me to slide the clamp to the forward end of the 170mm upper rail eliminating visual interference.  

Does anyone on the form use an Ultimate Nodal Ninja Pano head with a fisheye lens?  I know that Nodal Ninja makes the dedicated Ultimate R1 Adjustable Tilt Ring Mount Package for the Nikon 16mm Full Frame Fisheye lens. It appears that using a ring type clamp and rotator would simplify the setup...but it is also $350.  If anyone on the Forum has successfully used a traditional pano setup with a fisheye, please let me know.

 

Peace,

Rev Kate

[John Houghton]

Kate, I use a Canon 15mm fisheye lens + 5DII on an M1 head.  Details are in this thread over on the Nodal Ninja forum:

http://tinyurl.com/oqduorh 

John

[Kate Jones]

Thanks John!

[Kate Jones]

Thanks John!

[gravityimage]

Hi Kate, I use a Nodal Ninja Ultimate R1 with a Sigma 8mm fisheye on a D7000.

[belushy]

I use the new R10 with a lensring @0°deg tilt and a 10.5mm Nikon lens 4 Shots á 90°deg

Works very good
Its reallly difficult to find and choose the right ring for your lens.
But here a link to Jan's store
http://shop.howtoshoot360.com/collections/panoramic-heads/products/google-nodal-ninja-ultimate-r10-with-rotator-mini-package-for-sigma-8mm-nikon

here the list what lensring works with what lens
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0220/4654/files/Lens_Ring_Component_Build_Chart.pdf?7166

best thin call him or write an mail
sup...@howtoshoot360.com

[Andrew Stephens]

'I use the new R10 with a lensring @0°deg tilt and a 10.5mm Nikon lens 4 Shots á 90°deg' ...

What camera body are you using?

Is this a shaved 10.5mm Nikon FE?

Andrew

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[Kate Jones]

Andrew,

I use a Nikon D810, and have just purchased a Nikkor 16mm Full Frame Fisheye.  The Nodal Ninja rig I chose is the Ultimate M2 with rotator.  The conundrum I had was deciding if I had to add another purchase yet another Nodal Ninja pano head to accommodate this distinctly different lens.  In reading the posts of others on the Forum, I have added some options to my current setup.  The issue at hand is being able to move the fisheye forward on the upper arm to avoid being including it in the shot. John Houghton posted a similar issue that he had a number of years back when using his Nodal Ninja M1.  I have purchased the QRC-40B clamp that 'piggybacks' onto the existing clamp.  This combined assembly can then be moved forward on the rail.  I have not received it as yet, but it should be here in a matter of days. My hopes are high, but I suspect I will have to use 'trial and error' until I find the correct angle for appropriate coverage.  I will start at 7.5°.   I will post my findings after I give them a try.  If it works, it will allow me to accommodate both my rectilinear and fisheye lenses with a single pano head.

Peace to all,

Rev Kate

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-5, Kate Jones wrote:

[Matthew Rogers]

Hi Kate,

It just does NOT matter if you can see it in the shot. There’s no way it’s going to be in the blend region. As it’s black it automatically gets blended out. Having to buy additional parts to use standard fisheye lenses shows poor fore thought during the design of the product. 

With the 16mm on the D810 you’ll need at least a 60º tilt to cover the zenith properly.

It’s mid boggling that you don’t think you can use both rectilinear and fisheye lenses on the same panohead ?????

Matt

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[Kate Jones]

Matt,

Thank you for the response. I chose the 16mm Full Frame Fisheye on my Nikon D810, due to the 180° coverage. I am planning on shooting 6 shots at 60° rotation. Hopefully my logic holds true.

On your last thought. I am knowledgeable enough to know... I don't know everything. That is the purpose of this forum. Like everyone on this Forum, I have a wealth of knowledge on various topics. After 45 years as digital and traditional Commercial product photographer for the Alcohol Beverage Industry, I have learned quite a bit. I have shot 45 Magazine covers, 42 inside covers and 38 back covers, plus thousands of single page product ads. Even though I started in pano by taking the second class offered by Apple in 1991 and used a huge Kaiden head with my Nikon F series and sometimes my Mamiya RZ67, they were still simple 360° panos stitched with Apple software. Hopefully you will continue to share the wealth of knowledge you obviously have on the 360°X180° subject. I appreciate what you have posted, and I feel sure others do as well.
Peace,
RevKate

[Kate Jones]

I have attached a snap of the first pano head I used back in 1991.

Best to all.

RevKate

[John Houghton]

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:05:26 PM UTC+1, mat...@360precision.com wrote:

Hi Kate,

It just does NOT matter if you can see it in the shot. There’s no way it’s going to be in the blend region. As it’s black it automatically gets blended out.

Matt, Being black does not mean that a bit of intrusive hardware will be automatically blended out - at least in the case of PTGui's standard blender.  The black area may well result in a slight, but very obvious, dark patch. Mostly it's not noticeable, but masking the black area guarantees that the fault does not arise.  It's easily demonstrated, and I have seen many examples of such shadowy areas at the nadir when bits of the panohead at the nadir are not masked out.

John

[Matthew Rogers]

HI John,

I shot thousands of panos with over 200 camera and fisheye lens combinations and have never masked out ANY vertical part of the panohead. I’ve also never seen any shadowing, Maybe you see less of the Absolute and Adjuste in the photos.

Matt

[John Houghton]

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 5:47:25 PM UTC+1, mat...@360precision.com wrote:

HI John,

I shot thousands of panos with over 200 camera and fisheye lens combinations and have never masked out ANY vertical part of the panohead. I’ve also never seen any shadowing, Maybe you see less of the Absolute and Adjuste in the photos.

Matt, At least I can show you an example of shadowing, and it is from images shot (as I recall) on a 360Precision head with a full circular fisheye, which unavoidably captures part of the vertical rotator at one side.  In this case, due to lighting, the intrusive disc is a lightish grey rather than black so the darkening is much less than it might have been:

http://www.johnhpanos.com/shadows.gif 

(This is an animated gif that alternates between two stitched panoramas: one generated with masks and the other without).

To be sure, the shadows are very minor in this case, but I've come across many much worse examples over the years.  As I said, it's simple to avoid them completely, and as a perfectionist, that's what I prefer to do myself.

John

[PTGui Support]

John is right, the panohead will influence the blend (no matter if it's
black or white). Whether it's noticable depends on how much of the
overlap region is covered by the panohead. If it's far away from the
seam you probably won't see it.

I would always mask out the tripod and panohead; do this before running
Align Images, it will prevent control points being created on the panohead.

Joost

On 03/07/15 18:46, Matthew Rogers wrote:
> HI John,
>
> I shot thousands of panos with over 200 camera and fisheye lens
> combinations and have never masked out ANY vertical part of the
> panohead. I’ve also never seen any shadowing, Maybe you see less of the
> Absolute and Adjuste in the photos.
>
> Matt
>
>> On 3 Jul 2015, at 17:28, John Houghton <houghto...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:houghto...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:05:26 PM UTC+1, mat...@360precision.com

>> <http://360precision.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kate,
>>
>> It just does NOT matter if you can see it in the shot. There’s no
>> way it’s going to be in the blend region. As it’s black it
>> automatically gets blended out.
>>
>>
>> Matt, Being black does not mean that a bit of intrusive hardware will
>> be automatically blended out - at least in the case of PTGui's
>> standard blender. The black area may well result in a slight, but
>> very obvious, dark patch. Mostly it's not noticeable, but masking the
>> black area guarantees that the fault does not arise. It's easily
>> demonstrated, and I have seen many examples of such shadowy areas at
>> the nadir when bits of the panohead at the nadir are not masked out.
>>
>> John
>>
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[Kate Jones]

As promised, I am posting that the Nodal Ninja QRC40B adapter arrived and works flawlessly! With this adapter i can use any fisheye on the same Ultimate M2 pano head. Here is a link that shows pictures of how the adapter attaches.

http://www.nodalninja.com/forum/showthread.php?4520-Quick-Release-Clamp-QRC-40B-is-shipping-soon

My thanks to all on the Forum who shared their thoughts in answering my original post.

Peace,
RevKate