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Christopher Gilland
Apr 11, 2020, 4:55:27 AM4/11/20
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OK, so, first off, if this has already recently been covered, forgive
me. I'm a bit behind in my messages.
OK, let me set you up virtually with my situation, so we're all on the
same page.
I have a session with, we'll just say, 2 tracks, doesn't matter if
they're mono or stereo. What does however matter is, there needs to be
at the very least, two audio tracks in the session, and both of them
need to have at least some bit of audio recorded on them.
OK, let's say that one track has a music bed, and the other is my
voiceover. By voiceover, I don't mean the screen reader. I'm meaning
this in the audio sense of it's my recorded voice, or whoever doing the
narration to go over the bed.
Now, say 10 seconds into the voiceover track, I want to paste with
command+V some audio right smack dab in the middle of that second
voiceover speech narration track. I don't want to touch the music bed
though, that's the key.
So, in my track list table, I select the second track... the voice
narration. I make sure the music bed is *not* selected.
Using my numpad, I move myself forward in the session until my playhead
is where I wish to paste on to that voice track. You'd think, you could
now hit command+V, and since the voice track is selected, I'd be good to
go. It would insert what I pasted at that position, and would move
everything there after along the grid ruler timeline to the right. Kind
of like a ripple effect.
Unfortunately, that's not happening on my end. What's actually occuring
is, it's pasting over the top of the audio where the new audio is being
inserted.
So, say for example, that I pasted some audio on that speech track at 10
seconds into the session. The audio I pasted is 5 seconds long. So yes,
at the 10 second mark, the audio I pasted would go on that second speech
track, and would run up until the 15 second position of the session, but
whatever used to be there within that 10 to 15 second timeframe prior to
me pasting has now been replaced with the new audio which was pasted.
That's sometimes what I'd want, yes, but in this scenario, what I want
is, the audio starting at the 10 second mark before I pasted anything, I
want it shuttled/nudged forward to sit right after what I've just
pasted. So since what I pasted was 5 seconds, and we pasted at the 10
second mark, essentially, everything from the 10 second mark before
pasting anything there would get snapped forward to the 15 second mark,
lined up right after what I'd pasted.
Hopefully, I'm making sense.
Essentially, I'm wanting to insert that pasted audio, not replace what
was in it's prior position.
I haven't really ever done anything with nudging. I've never had a need
to. Somehow, I don't think this is going to involve that. I'm probably
making this way harder than it needs to be, and am overthinking this,
but any help would be appreciated.
Chris.
me. I'm a bit behind in my messages.
OK, let me set you up virtually with my situation, so we're all on the
same page.
I have a session with, we'll just say, 2 tracks, doesn't matter if
they're mono or stereo. What does however matter is, there needs to be
at the very least, two audio tracks in the session, and both of them
need to have at least some bit of audio recorded on them.
OK, let's say that one track has a music bed, and the other is my
voiceover. By voiceover, I don't mean the screen reader. I'm meaning
this in the audio sense of it's my recorded voice, or whoever doing the
narration to go over the bed.
Now, say 10 seconds into the voiceover track, I want to paste with
command+V some audio right smack dab in the middle of that second
voiceover speech narration track. I don't want to touch the music bed
though, that's the key.
So, in my track list table, I select the second track... the voice
narration. I make sure the music bed is *not* selected.
Using my numpad, I move myself forward in the session until my playhead
is where I wish to paste on to that voice track. You'd think, you could
now hit command+V, and since the voice track is selected, I'd be good to
go. It would insert what I pasted at that position, and would move
everything there after along the grid ruler timeline to the right. Kind
of like a ripple effect.
Unfortunately, that's not happening on my end. What's actually occuring
is, it's pasting over the top of the audio where the new audio is being
inserted.
So, say for example, that I pasted some audio on that speech track at 10
seconds into the session. The audio I pasted is 5 seconds long. So yes,
at the 10 second mark, the audio I pasted would go on that second speech
track, and would run up until the 15 second position of the session, but
whatever used to be there within that 10 to 15 second timeframe prior to
me pasting has now been replaced with the new audio which was pasted.
That's sometimes what I'd want, yes, but in this scenario, what I want
is, the audio starting at the 10 second mark before I pasted anything, I
want it shuttled/nudged forward to sit right after what I've just
pasted. So since what I pasted was 5 seconds, and we pasted at the 10
second mark, essentially, everything from the 10 second mark before
pasting anything there would get snapped forward to the 15 second mark,
lined up right after what I'd pasted.
Hopefully, I'm making sense.
Essentially, I'm wanting to insert that pasted audio, not replace what
was in it's prior position.
I haven't really ever done anything with nudging. I've never had a need
to. Somehow, I don't think this is going to involve that. I'm probably
making this way harder than it needs to be, and am overthinking this,
but any help would be appreciated.
Chris.
Steve Baskis
Apr 11, 2020, 7:01:11 AM4/11/20
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Hello,
I would like to help you, but I could be wrong. Please, everybody chime in if I explain it incorrectly, or misunderstood what he’s asked for.
I believe you need to change the mode that you are in from F2, slip mode to F1, shuffle mode. I am not in front of a computer right now to doublecheck, but this is what you would do:
Press F1, to enter shuffle mode. Find where you want to paste audio and drop the insertion point By pressing, down arrow. Press command E to split the region. Now you can paste in your audio by pressing, command V, Your audio should now fill in and push the later audio to the right down the timeline without pasting over audio you already have recorded. remember for future editing which mode you are in, F1 shuffle mode, or F2, slip mode.
I hope I provided the correct information and this helps.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 04:55, Christopher Gilland <clgil...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> OK, so, first off, if this has already recently been covered, forgive me. I'm a bit behind in my messages.
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I would like to help you, but I could be wrong. Please, everybody chime in if I explain it incorrectly, or misunderstood what he’s asked for.
I believe you need to change the mode that you are in from F2, slip mode to F1, shuffle mode. I am not in front of a computer right now to doublecheck, but this is what you would do:
Press F1, to enter shuffle mode. Find where you want to paste audio and drop the insertion point By pressing, down arrow. Press command E to split the region. Now you can paste in your audio by pressing, command V, Your audio should now fill in and push the later audio to the right down the timeline without pasting over audio you already have recorded. remember for future editing which mode you are in, F1 shuffle mode, or F2, slip mode.
I hope I provided the correct information and this helps.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 04:55, Christopher Gilland <clgil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK, so, first off, if this has already recently been covered, forgive me. I'm a bit behind in my messages.
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Christopher Gilland
Apr 11, 2020, 8:23:39 AM4/11/20
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So, first off, thanks for the suggestion.
I guess I thought that things like the edit mode being set to shuffle,
or split, etc, were mainly used more when selecting audio then deleting
that sed audio. I didn't realize that it also was effecting cut and pastes.
That leads me to a question.
I normally only have worked with absolute grid, and with shuffle mode.
I've never really used split mode.
What's the difference in absolute grid vs. split?
Also, I'm not understanding why we split the region, or, well, I guess
now it's call a clip, with command+E. In my situation, why was that
necessary? What would have happened had we not done so?
Chris.
I guess I thought that things like the edit mode being set to shuffle,
or split, etc, were mainly used more when selecting audio then deleting
that sed audio. I didn't realize that it also was effecting cut and pastes.
That leads me to a question.
I normally only have worked with absolute grid, and with shuffle mode.
I've never really used split mode.
What's the difference in absolute grid vs. split?
Also, I'm not understanding why we split the region, or, well, I guess
now it's call a clip, with command+E. In my situation, why was that
necessary? What would have happened had we not done so?
Chris.
Steve Baskis
Apr 11, 2020, 11:06:25 AM4/11/20
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Chris,
It is slip mode, not split mode if I’m not mistaken. I learned from a video that is in the PT access folder on dropbox. Slau Halatyn created a video about editing and you can find it here at this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pb9ekksht2w945q/Edit%20Modes%20Better%20Example.m4a.mp3?dl=0
In regards to your other questions, I will have to do some more research to find an answer. Hopefully more knowledgeable, skilled and professional users will chime in and provide you with a good answer.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
Slau Halatyn
Apr 11, 2020, 11:26:07 AM4/11/20
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Chris,
You say you haven't used Slip mode but that's exactly what you're in right now, given the behavior. Steve's recommendation of that little demo (which I completely forgot about) is perfect for an explanation. Listen to it and, if anything isn't clear after that, post another message. HTH,
Slau
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You say you haven't used Slip mode but that's exactly what you're in right now, given the behavior. Steve's recommendation of that little demo (which I completely forgot about) is perfect for an explanation. Listen to it and, if anything isn't clear after that, post another message. HTH,
Slau
Steve Baskis
Apr 11, 2020, 11:33:04 AM4/11/20
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Chris,
I do not use grid mode, grid mode is very visual and allows you to snap to the grid like you stated. I tend to drop my insertion point where I need to do things and make a selection. I am completely blind and do not have any ability to use the grid to some degree. Slip mode is like what it sounds like, if you pay something on top of audio it slips and does not move. Shuffle mode is like what it sounds like, if you paste audio on the timeline it will shuffle existing audio to the right further down the timeline. well, this is how I understand it and if you follow that link I sent in the previous message, you will hear a demonstration of it.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 08:23, Christopher Gilland <clgil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, first off, thanks for the suggestion.
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/d122656e-5f32-6d13-2eef-9a880c53454f%40gmail.com.
I do not use grid mode, grid mode is very visual and allows you to snap to the grid like you stated. I tend to drop my insertion point where I need to do things and make a selection. I am completely blind and do not have any ability to use the grid to some degree. Slip mode is like what it sounds like, if you pay something on top of audio it slips and does not move. Shuffle mode is like what it sounds like, if you paste audio on the timeline it will shuffle existing audio to the right further down the timeline. well, this is how I understand it and if you follow that link I sent in the previous message, you will hear a demonstration of it.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 08:23, Christopher Gilland <clgil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, first off, thanks for the suggestion.
Christopher Gilland
Apr 11, 2020, 11:46:38 AM4/11/20
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Steve, I see no link in your initial response. What did I miss?
Chris.
Chris.
Christopher Gilland
Apr 11, 2020, 11:49:48 AM4/11/20
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OK, somehow this message went to my
spam. That's why I didn't see the link.
My profuse apology to all! I'll go
listen now.
Chris.
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Christopher Gilland
Apr 11, 2020, 12:12:07 PM4/11/20
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OK. I listened to the mp3, and that does make sense.
I think the only thing now that I'm still not understanding is why we
are splitting into multiple regions with command+E.
Finally, let's say on another note, if I have multiple regions selected,
I know command+E splits a region/clip at the playhead, but what's the
command to join two separate back together.
Yes, I want the two clips to...
Come together..
ROFL! Sorry Slau, I couldn't resist. In all seriousness though, and by
the way, if you haven't listened to the recording in that link provided,
then you won't get my little pun I just made, hehehehe, but in all
seriousness, yeah, how do I do that?
Chris.
I think the only thing now that I'm still not understanding is why we
are splitting into multiple regions with command+E.
Finally, let's say on another note, if I have multiple regions selected,
I know command+E splits a region/clip at the playhead, but what's the
command to join two separate back together.
Yes, I want the two clips to...
Come together..
ROFL! Sorry Slau, I couldn't resist. In all seriousness though, and by
the way, if you haven't listened to the recording in that link provided,
then you won't get my little pun I just made, hehehehe, but in all
seriousness, yeah, how do I do that?
Chris.
Dammie Onafeko
Apr 12, 2020, 6:32:17 AM4/12/20
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Hi Chriss:
Happy Easter Sunday you and all! The directions Steeve gave you is
absolutely right. Slip mode, from my experience, is used when you want
to keep the time space from which you're taking out an audio. Just
thought I chime in on that. I'm going to listen Slau video later on.
Perhaps I'll find something about gain reduction level situation I'm
experiencing.
Now, to answer your question regarding command E, you don't
necessarily have to do command E before pasting the audio. But
occasions where the region is not well defined, either in where you
want to paste or where you copied the audio, you'll need to do do
command E to separate first. Otherwise, what you want to paste
something before will disappear, as well as everything after it. All
this still in Shuffle. I know the next thing on your mind now is when
do you know the region isn't well defined? You don't know when, at
least at the moment I can't tell. This is because I experienced this
incident several time this week.
And for joining together, you know that is crossfading. I hope this
help. You all have a fabulous Easter!
Dammie
>
Happy Easter Sunday you and all! The directions Steeve gave you is
absolutely right. Slip mode, from my experience, is used when you want
to keep the time space from which you're taking out an audio. Just
thought I chime in on that. I'm going to listen Slau video later on.
Perhaps I'll find something about gain reduction level situation I'm
experiencing.
Now, to answer your question regarding command E, you don't
necessarily have to do command E before pasting the audio. But
occasions where the region is not well defined, either in where you
want to paste or where you copied the audio, you'll need to do do
command E to separate first. Otherwise, what you want to paste
something before will disappear, as well as everything after it. All
this still in Shuffle. I know the next thing on your mind now is when
do you know the region isn't well defined? You don't know when, at
least at the moment I can't tell. This is because I experienced this
incident several time this week.
And for joining together, you know that is crossfading. I hope this
help. You all have a fabulous Easter!
Dammie
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steve baskis
Apr 12, 2020, 8:56:55 AM4/12/20
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Chris,
I believe you asked how to heal or fix a separation. Here is how I heal or consolidate a separation.
Select the track where your separation/break is located.
Find the separation/break by tabbing through your timeline.
Once you know that you are on your separation, press the minus key on the numeric pad to nudge backwards 50 ms or so, depending on what your Nudge value is set too.
Drop an insertion point by pressing the down arrow.
Press the spacebar to play audio just for a fraction of a second and then press the up arrow to make a selection.
Now you have that separation/break selected.
Go to the tool bar and edit menu and select heal separation or press command H.
Special note, you cannot always heal a separation for different reasons.
This is how I heal a separation. If anybody has a better workflow or advice, I would greatly appreciate it.
Like Danny explained, you do not have to make a separation/break. I am still trying to learn a lot of the workflows and techniques required for producing audio and do not have all the answers about why it would be more important to make a separation. Really has a lot to do with your workflow and how you want to manipulate the audio regions and clips I guess.
Please, correct me if I am at all wrong.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
I believe you asked how to heal or fix a separation. Here is how I heal or consolidate a separation.
Select the track where your separation/break is located.
Find the separation/break by tabbing through your timeline.
Once you know that you are on your separation, press the minus key on the numeric pad to nudge backwards 50 ms or so, depending on what your Nudge value is set too.
Drop an insertion point by pressing the down arrow.
Press the spacebar to play audio just for a fraction of a second and then press the up arrow to make a selection.
Now you have that separation/break selected.
Go to the tool bar and edit menu and select heal separation or press command H.
Special note, you cannot always heal a separation for different reasons.
This is how I heal a separation. If anybody has a better workflow or advice, I would greatly appreciate it.
Like Danny explained, you do not have to make a separation/break. I am still trying to learn a lot of the workflows and techniques required for producing audio and do not have all the answers about why it would be more important to make a separation. Really has a lot to do with your workflow and how you want to manipulate the audio regions and clips I guess.
Please, correct me if I am at all wrong.
Respectfully,
Steve Baskis
Baskis.com
Michael Holmes
Apr 12, 2020, 10:10:50 AM4/12/20
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As long as you have an insertion point, you can tab to the separation and press command h without selecting a range. It makes it a lot quicker 🙂
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> Chris,
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 08:56, steve baskis <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Chris,
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