Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[George Bitzer]

Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.

[Christopher Gilland]

If you don't mind me asking, I don't mean to hijack your thread, so you
can just answer this and then we'll move on, but I'm really curious, as
you're the only other person I know who's outwardly admitted that they
updated to Ventura prior to PT being officially supported..


When you have multiple tracks in the track list table at a time, what
happens, regardless FloTools being installed or not, if you try
selecting the first track in the table at the very top, then VO+down
arrow to the next track in the list, and then hit VO+Space? Do you find
like me it's really acting totally F***ed up, and is selecting that next
track but not leaving the other one selected as it should?


I can command+click on each track to select or unselect them
individually, and yeah, CTRL+semi colon, and CTRL+P do work, and also
adding shift with those shortcuts works as well, but doing it the old
fassion way by literally going into the table and VO+spacing on tracks
to toggle them is totally totally totally! busted on my end.


So far, I'm not seeming to have any other show stopping issues, but
then, I've not really done much with PT since upgrading yesterday, so
nightmares may yet to be discovered. I hope and pray not though. I do
however have a time machine backup, and a bootable USB drive of
Monterey, so if worst comes to worst, I'm not totally screwed. I'd
rather not go back, but I will if I absolutely absolutely must.


Chris.

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi George,

Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do not yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big issue. With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay tuned.

Slau

On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer <gee...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.

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[Slau Halatyn]

Chris,
The way Pro Tools is behaving in Ventura is actually the way it should from the standpoint of VoiceOver. Command-clicking selects non-contiguous tracks and Shift-clicking (or using Shift with the Control+P/Semicolon selects consecutive tracks. VoiceOver users have had the unusual benefit of being able to select multiple tracks by purely performing the default action with VO+Space. It's the way the Pro Tools UI works for sighted users. We've always tried to have parity with sighted users and this is an example of what that involves. It might feel like a bug but technically it's not. BTW, you can bring up the Action Menu on a track and choose to "press " the track and it will simply add it to the selection.

Slau

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[Chris Gilland]

Slau,

I was about to actually try the actions rotor. That was literally the very next thing I had in mind. Go figure! ROFL! That's hillarious. - The one thing I didn't try.

So now that I understand, I appreciate it. I don't have time right now this evening, but I promise to retract the comment up on Applevis I posted stating this is a bug. I won't reference your name or any of the quoted message from you, don't worry. I'll just try deleting my comment altogether, and if that doesn't work, I'll reach out to admins and have them pull it.

Chris.

PS: Thank you tremendously for your help.

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[Chris Gilland]

Yikes!

Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the application.

I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse than it's worth?

I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I don't see any need to do that.

Chris.

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[George Bitzer]

Hi Slau,

Much thanks! In the meantime, can I go back to the previous OS?

[Slau Halatyn]

I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.

Slau

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[Christopher Gilland]

Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.

BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros for Chris2 file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have it backed up here elsewhere.

Chris.

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[Christopher Gilland]

Did you make a time machine backup, or some sort of backup image of your drive/OS prior to upgrading?

If not, you still can go back, but you'll wind up losing all your data in the process.

You may could do a time machine backup from within Ventura and then downgrade, then remigrate after downgrading, though that could be a little bit risky, as not everything may correctly come back over. I mean it should, but you are restoring from a newer OS than you're migrating to, so God only knows. Basically, in a round about way, I'm saying yes, you can downgrade, but do so at your own risk, as your milage may vary drasticly.

Chris.

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[Rocco Fiorentino]

Hi all,

A Flo Tools installer for Ventura is now in the Dropbox. It’s called “Flo Tools Temporary installer for Ventura” :) let me know if anyone has any issues installing.

Best,

Rocco

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[George Bitzer]

On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Rocco Fiorentino <accessibl...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Rocco,

Sorry to be such a bother but I am new too ProTools and just trying to learn my way around.

Can you send the DropBox link for the FloTools temp install?

Much thanks1

George

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[Slau Halatyn]

Thanks for doing that so quickly, Rocco.

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[Christopher Gilland]

I agree with Slau. This is awesome, and very very much appreviated, you getting that done so quickly.

Chris.

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