Prototype wiki?

[T.J. Crowder]

Hi folks,

script.aculo.us is using github's wiki stuff these days:
http://github.com/madrobby/scriptaculous/wikis

I can't help but notice this:
http://github.com/sstephenson/prototype/wikis

It currently just says "Welcome to the Prototype wiki!"

Is it meant to be / become an official wiki for Prototype?
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[Tobie Langel]

That's the github default.

Best,

Tobie

[T.J. Crowder]

Hey Tobie,

So there's no plan to host a Prototype wiki there?

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[Tobie Langel]

What would go in this wiki ?

[T.J. Crowder]

> What would go in this wiki ?

Whatever the community comes up with -- that's the joy of community
content! ;-) The FAQ that kangax and I wrote, for a start; it's been
more than three months since we turned it over in markdown format and
it still hasn't appeared on prototypejs.org as discussed because
people are too busy -- and even if it did, there are probably 18 edits
that really need to get made that people would make if it were open
and editable by the community (like, for instance, adding Andrew's
book that's come out in the meantime to the "where can I read more"
section). That's the issue with gatekeepig; gatekeepers tend to get
too busy...

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[Jerod Venema]

Here's another vote for a prototype.js wiki...

It'd be great to have a central place where we could put all the "extra" bits of code people have written in their libraries rather than having to search through the google archives.

Also, there have been a couple times that I've wanted to update the docs with a bit more info. Explain an example a bit more, show perhaps a "this is a good pattern to use for situation XYZ", etc. I've replied back to the appropriate lists with suggestions once or twice, but as TJ mentioned, I think the gatekeepers might have just had a bit too much going on, so the suggestions fell to the wayside.

-Jerod

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[Tobie Langel]

There are some security issues with the github wiki which currently
makes it improper to be used as a community wiki.

Regarding the FAQ, I remember clearly requesting a number of changes
to it before publishing it and haven't heard about it since then.

I'd love to have it online asap.

Best,

Tobie

[T.J. Crowder]

Hey Tobie,

> There are some security issues with the github wiki which currently
> makes it improper to be used as a community wiki.

Okay.

> Regarding the FAQ, I remember clearly requesting a number of changes
> to it before publishing it and haven't heard about it since then.

As of our email exchange on July 1st, you said Andrew was editing it.
I'd already done two revisions at that point and since your issues
were issues of style rather than content and you weren't happy with
the edits I'd done to try to accomodate your style, I'd suggested that
rather than me trying yet again, you or someone else on the Core team
take the 15 minutes necessary to modify the links to be the way you
like them.

-- T.J. :-)

[Jerod Venema]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Tobie Langel <tobie....@gmail.com> wrote:

There are some security issues with the github wiki which currently
makes it improper to be used as a community wiki.

Is there are reason we're stuck with github? We could go with mediawiki or any other of the gazillion free wikis out there...
 

Regarding the FAQ, I remember clearly requesting a number of changes
to it before publishing it and haven't heard about it since then.

I'd love to have it online asap.

Best,

Tobie

[T.J. Crowder]

Hey Jerod,

Yeah, I was asking about github because Prototype is already hosted
there, and the official script.aculo.us wiki is hosted there, so it
seemed logical to at least ask what the plan was.

Anyone who reads this group regularly will know that I'm a big
believer in we, the community, doing things for ourselves (such as
this group), rather than expecting the core group to do everything.
Over in the "Does Prototype have a future?" thread[1] (answer, btw:
YES), I raised the question of whether we should have a community site
just as we have this community group. I got a couple of positive
responses there (and by private email), and so I've been looking at
putting something together. It's just that I would tend to think
there wasn't any need if we had a wiki for Prototype like we do for
script.aculo.us.

But I'm putting something _very_ basic together now, using wikidot;
look for a thread on it in the next week or so.

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[1] http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous/browse_thread/thread/08b3bbc96fbd5ad7

On Oct 6, 5:23 pm, "Jerod Venema" <jven...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Tobie Langel <tobie.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are some security issues with the github wiki which currently
> > makes it improper to be used as a community wiki.
>
> Is there are reason we're stuck with github? We could go with mediawiki or
> any other of the gazillion free wikis out there...
>
>
>
> > Regarding the FAQ, I remember clearly requesting a number of changes
> > to it before publishing it and haven't heard about it since then.
>
> > I'd love to have it online asap.
>
> > Best,
>
> > Tobie
>
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> Jerod Venema
> Senior Software Engineer

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[Jerod Venema]

OK, that makes good sense. Glad you're moving on with something else if we can't use github for security reasons. Let me know if I can help.

[White Shadow]

Hey Prototypers,

I've posted a few days ago a reply in the Prototype blog about
reviving the Prototype Community, and I stand by my words. I've
started to code a new community platform for us all, as a one stop
shop for everything Prototype related, from Wiki, to links, plug-ins,
code, extensions... etc. and I would love to start a section called
the Prototype Challenge, which will have user requests for plug-in
recodes or ported from other libraries. Prototype rocks, and we need
to help the core team in expanding the image of Prototype in the
javascript world out there. I've spoken to Christophe and Andew a
little in the Ajax Experience, and I felt that what the core teams
needs to see if action and not just vague promises, as so many
attempts were made and slowly disappeared.

More on this soon...
whiteShadow

[T.J. Crowder]

Hi,

Hmmm, I've already created a wiki -- just came to the forum to post an
announcement. Look for that in a moment.

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[T.J. Crowder]

Also, please don't change the subjects of other peoples' threads.
You're free to start your own thread...

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On Oct 7, 2:33 pm, White Shadow <ran2...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ryan Gahl]

Awe, come on TJ :)

While I can see how his post is somewhat of a self promotion, I think he means well. And, I think this sort of rallying is relevant to the OP's topic (i.e. where might a prototype wiki live?).

Not meaning to propagate an argument around that question... just trying to diffuse what I think could otherwise be construed as unjust harshness from you TJ (I apologize profusely to you sir, for I know that's not how you meant it to come off). Shadow means well, and Shadow, TJ also means well -- the important thing here is the community rallying and action being taken.

Shadow, your project sounds interesting, and you'd be served well I think to get in touch with kangax and his guys at scripteka for a possible collaboration.

Yay community!

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[T.J. Crowder]

Hey Ryan,

Thanks, your post makes it clear that *my* post was completely unclear
(to anyone but White Shadow and myself!):

I wasn't complaining about his *posting* to the thread. That's
totally cool. I was complaining about his changing the **subject
line** of the thread. I was totally unclear about that, and I
apologize! The word "subject" is, er, subject to
interpretation... ;-)

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[kangax]

On Oct 7, 10:18 am, "Ryan Gahl" <ryan.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Awe, come on TJ :)
>
> While I can see how his post is somewhat of a self promotion, I think he
> means well. And, I think this sort of rallying is relevant to the OP's topic
> (i.e. where might a prototype wiki live?).
>
> Not meaning to propagate an argument around that question... just trying to
> diffuse what I think could otherwise be construed as unjust harshness from
> you TJ (I apologize profusely to you sir, for I know that's not how you
> meant it to come off). Shadow means well, and Shadow, TJ also means well --
> the important thing here is the community rallying and action being taken.
>
> Shadow, your project sounds interesting, and you'd be served well I think to
> get in touch with kangax and his guys at scripteka for a possible
> collaboration.
>
> Yay community!

That's a community spirit, Ryan!
Actually WhiteShadow lives in New York (if it's the same person we
spoke to at TAE) so it shouldn't be hard for us to meet and do
whatever needs to be done.

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kangax

[T.J. Crowder]

> That's a community spirit, Ryan!

Amen -- and thanks again, Ryan.

-- T.J. :-)

[White Shadow]

No offense taken, (Thank Ryan) and thanks Tj, and yes Kanjax, I am the
same person ;)
Anyways, I'm getting a server for the new prototype site shortly, and
would email and post further info on the projects' development.
I'm getting some sponsorship for this from the company I work for
(Edulence) and I have a very very positive feeling we all here have
enough spirit together to bring Prototype to its right place among the
stars ;)

And yes Kanjax, maybe we can setup a "work" meeting to discuss how we
start this project, I can setup a quick meet at our place on 38th
street in the near future. (Beer on the house ;)) any new-yorkers out
there interested??

whiteShadow

[Brian Williams]

I'm in Englewood Cliffs right by the GWB in NJ, but i doubt my company would allow me such a "work" meeting...

[T.J. Crowder]

> I'm getting some sponsorship for this from the company I work for...

*green with jeolousy*

I would say be sure to let us know when the site is live so we can
link to it from the unofficial wiki...but you're already a member and
can add the link yourself! ;-)

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