As far as I understand, ShotCut does not work with (resolution-reduced) proxy-files for editing. With this in mind, I would like to address a question further below in a general manner, where I could not yet find the answer.
Currently the preview (playing the Videos in the Editor) is very laggy. I am on Win 8.1 64bit with 8GB Ram and I7-4500U CPU and Shotcut-Version 19.06.15.
The current try with H.264-Files is very laggy and I am considering re-encoding to other formats prior editing.
I have been using VideoStudio, which seems to handdle these files better under a performance aspect, but there are reasons, that VideoStudio in not at all an option for me - I have way too many issues for a paid software and therefor I want to participate in the Open Source software-movement, if possible.
So the general question: Which are the best (performance wise) file formats (Audio and Video) I should convert my source clips to prior editing, to have the best performance and as little lag (CPU usage) as possible during editing?
Is ProRES suggested for Video, or something else?
HuffYUV (4:2:2 8-bit only) in a MKV container. This format has the least aggressive compression, meaning it decodes the fastest. Its subsampling is also in Shotcut-native 4:2:2, meaning there is no CPU spent on conversion. The trade-off for this speed is massive file sizes. This is the format for ultimate performance and perfect color.
H.264 All-Intra at CRF 12 (4:2:0 8-bit) for proxy resolutions 640x360 and less in an MP4 container. Higher proxy resolutions can use CRF 14. This format will obviously have compression artefacts and dancing noise and color problems, but the chosen CRFs keep those very much at bay for simple editing work. File sizes can be as little as 10% of an equivalent HuffYUV file, which makes this a great format for internal laptop hard drives.
While studying and evaluating these options to change the Convert and Reverse outputs, I am not comfortable with the full range handling with 8-bit DNxHR and UtVideo. Ideally, I want to preserve full range, and use 10-bit where not possible. Today, good MP4 preserves full range, ProRes is 10-bit, and FFV1 downscales to limited, which is really bad for claiming best.
I can make DNxHR output yuv422p10le if full range and yuv422p otherwise. I do like the speed of that for both encoding and decoding/seeking. For the best (true lossless) option, I do not find any ability to do full range or 10-bit for UtVideo or HuffYUV. I might switch to lossless x264 for that. On the other hand, I know some people would like an option that uses royalty-free codecs leading me towards 10-bit FFV1 if full range.
Ut Video can do the same trick, but it is not a good candidate for full range video because its FourCC is specifically tagged for limited range. Decoding it should flag the contained video as limited range even if there are full range bits inside. Ut Video does have a 10-bit mode using the official codec suite since version 14, but the lagging ffmpeg implementation does not support 10-bit. As a possible fallback, what about using RGB mode to simulate full range?
This is working in Matroska, but I was deceived by a bug in MLT/Shotcut not reading it (it only sees yuvj pixfmt currently). I will fix this, but the 19.07 beta is already prepared, but I may still put it in the release.
OK, for the 19.07 release version, I was able to fix detection of color range from signaling independent of pix_fmt (e.g. container metadata). Then, in the Convert & Reverse transcode jobs, I removed the 10-bit output for full range DNxHR and changed FFV1 to Ut Video.
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I've just invested in Magix Movie Edit Pro 2015 Plus and immediately started running into difficulties with supported file formats. I'm using software like DXTory or Bandicam to capture, usually in AVI format using H.264 codec, and everything I import is coming back with a real flickery playback. The flickering even carries through to rendering, as well. Any time I change my capture software over to MP4, then MEP2015 declares that the MP4 file "doest not contain a codec" ?
How did you export the project at the end? Always remember that "file" -> "export movie" is a much better way (more detailed options) than the button in the top right of the program and "output as video file".
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In all cases I capture at either 30 FPS (29.97) or 60 FPS (59.97 ?), steady and smooth. I'm coming from Serif Movie Plus X6 (which is great but.. limited) and it has zero problems dealing with these files. They are AVI files with multitrack audio (1 track for gameplay, 1 for my commentary). I've tried separating out audio and video into all three separate tracks.. that still didn't help.
Tried removing and reinstalling, that didn't resolve the issue. Tech support has also only done the "Have you updated your video / motherboard drivers" routine just yet. I haven't heard back from them in DAYS now since I told them that didn't work.
Both capturing at the same resolution, same encoding (H264), at the same framerate (29.97). So what else is the difference between them? What is the 'preferred' file format / configuration in order to ensure compatibility with MAGIX MEP?
Can I suggest you repost this as a new thread/topic since the previous most recent post was more than three years ago? That way you are rather more likely to receive helpful advice because your post will be more visible.
In your "new" post it would be helpful to include full details of your computer and the exact name and version number of the Magix product you are using. This post will give you some idea of the information we need!
In general terms, if a codec is installed on your system and is available to all software (so not proprietary to a specific app) Magix should be able to see/use it. Where have you obtained the codec details which you gave in your post?
(SOLVED!) Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by randall999 - 18 Aug 12:05AM (edited 19 Aug 09:31PM) Hide picture I am playing with adding video to a score, running into issues with codecs not being read, jerky playback, stuttering. Does anybody have suggestions on what container to use (mov, avi, mpeg, wmv), codecs to use for video and audio, size and compression settings? What works best? I can not even get Sib 7 to load a .mov video which seems very odd given .mov is pretty much an industry standard for working with film video for scoring and editing. Any suggestions appreciated.
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I installed these 64 bit codecs and now all is good in Sibelius 7 64 bit, plays .mov files just fine (Using Windows Media Player 64 bit version of the player):
_64bit.htm
See my other post in this thread-- I had to also set the video player in Sib preferences to Windows Media Player, and I had to hack the Windows Registry (back it up before doing this!) to make the 64 bit version of the Windows Media Player the default (Normally, even on a 64 bit Windows operating system, the 32 bit version of Windows Media Player is the default); maybe this step is not needed if the K-Lite codecs are installed, I don't know because I first hacked the registry to make 64 bit WMP default, then I installed the K-Lite 64 bit codecs.
The .mov video plays really nice now in Sibelius 7 64 bit, even 720x480p video.
Also, though there are many ways to render a video (video and audio codecs), this one works fine for me for .mov Quicktime files:
video: mpeg4 codec 80% quality
audio: uLaw 2:1 codec, 44Khz, 16 bit
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Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 18 Aug 12:52PM Hide picture If you're on 64-bit Windows, I'd suggest using something that DirectShow supports directly and easily. I'm not sure what that would be, but I would guess AVI is a good bet.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 12:05PM Hide picture > If you're on 64-bit Windows, I'd suggest using something that DirectShow supports directly and easily. I'm not sure what that would be, but I would guess AVI is a good bet.
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I rendered the video as avi, mov, wmv, mpeg -- get jerky playback regardless, at 720x480p; only solution I found was to cut the size to 360x240 but even that is not the greatest, and i would think a 64 bit app should be able to handle 480p or even better.
I have a pretty powerful system doing this-- Windows 7 Ultimate 64, 16GB RAM, high speed SATA drives, nvidia graphics, six core AMD cpu.
I don't have these issues if I pull in a video into a sequencer like Cubase 6, 32 bit or 64 bit; get smooth video window playback even with many VSTs loaded. I was hoping for much better video performance from Sib 7 64 bit, for the purpose of film scoring. Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 08:58PM Hide picture I am at a loss to understand why Sibelius 7 64bit refuses to load and play .mov Quicktime video files.
The 64 bit version of Windows Media Player plays .mov video files just fine on my system, and I set the Preferences in Sibelius 7 to use WMP as the video 'engine'.
I hacked my Win 7 registry so now the 64 bit version of WMP is being used by default to play video files with WMP on my 64 bit Win 7 system; this is confirmed when I do a Ctrl Alt Del keypress and check my task manager and the WMP process and the location of WMP being used.
C:\Program Files
So if Sib 7 64 bit is using WMP as the video player engine, why can't Sib 7 64 bit play .mov video files?
I have to wonder if Sib 7 64 bit is somehow incorrectly programmed to use the 32 bit version of WMP instead of the operating system default version of WMP (which by default is 32 bit, located in C:\Program Files (x86). But when a user (me) hacks the registry to tell Windows to use the 64 bit version of WMP
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I would think Sib 7 64bit would just invoke the operating system default now, which should be the 64 bit WMP, that should then play .mov files, as both Sib 7 and WMP are both 64 bit.
Am I not understanding something?
I really purchased Sib 7 to have 64 bit ability to go beyond the 4GB RAM limitation, and with the end of goal of using Sib 7 for film scoring-- and .mov files are the industry standard used for film video files (editing, special effects, music scoring). While I could stick with .wmv video files, it just seems really odd that Sib 7 will not play .mov files through the WMV video player engine.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 09:15PM Hide picture > I am at a loss to understand why Sibelius 7 64bit refuses to load and play .mov Quicktime video files.
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Problem solved. :)
Installed these 64 bit codecs and now all is good in Sibelius 7 64 bit, plays .mov files just fine (Using Windows Media Player 64 bit version of the player):
_64bit.htm
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Posted by FoxArranger - 19 Aug 11:49AM Hide picture How long is the video? I've found that movies start behaving badly when they go above 13 minutes or so - usually for longer films I split them into multiple videos and scores to minimize playback issues. Hope that helps.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 12:06PM Hide picture > How long is the video? I've found that movies start behaving badly when they go above 13 minutes or so - usually for longer films I split them into multiple videos and scores to minimize playback issues. Hope that helps.
This is just a clip less than 2 minutes in length. Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 19 Aug 12:07PM Hide picture Randall, are you using an ASIO audio interface in Audio Engine Options, or DirectSound?
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 12:08PM (edited 19 Aug 12:09PM) Hide picture > Randall, are you using an ASIO audio interface in Audio Engine Options, or DirectSound?
ASIO. I have a Soundblaster Titanium X-Fi audio card so I need to use its ASIO driver to get the low latency for midi controller (keyboard) input. [I need to head out for work, will check back late afternoon]
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Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 19 Aug 12:10PM Hide picture That's good, ASIO will give better sync than DirectSound anyway.
Can you send the video file to me somehow, via Sendspace or Dropbox or YouSendIt or similar?
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 06:36PM (edited 19 Aug 06:38PM) Hide picture I am discovering some quirks about Sib 7 and video. For one thing, Quicktime .mov video refuses to play in Sib 7 (x64), complains of codec issues; however, the .mov videos plays just fine in standalone Quicktime player, or VLC player (my favorite, I wish AVID would allow VLC to be an option for playback besides Quicktime and Windows Mediaplayer, VLC is opensource, free, and the most robust of all players for dealing with codec issues). For curiosity I booted up Sib 7 (x32) and guess what-- the .mov video works fine in 32 bit mode Sib 7 (and of course in Sib 6 which was always 32 bit). This seems to be a bug in Sib 7 x64, perhaps it can be dealt with for an upgrade in the near future?
I can get video to work in Sib 7 x64, though nowhere near as smooth as with a sequencer (I have Cubase 5)-- I drop the size to something like 360x240 (half of DVD resolution) and get manageable playback smoothness using .wmv, however if I use Sib 7 x32 then 720x480p video including .mov video works pretty good.
Quicktime .mov is an industry norm for sharing video files for video editing, special effects, and music scoring, so i sorely hope Sib 7 x64 can be upgraded to allow .mov video file usage for music scoring with the video player window in Sib 7. Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by Robin Walker - 19 Aug 07:29PM Hide picture > Quicktime .mov video refuses to play in Sib 7 (x64)
Have you installed 64-bit codecs for the .mov videos?
Windows does not natively support .mov videos.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 07:53PM (edited 19 Aug 08:00PM) Hide picture > Have you installed 64-bit codecs for the .mov videos?
> Windows does not natively support .mov videos.
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The .mov videos play just fine in Windows 7 x64 in the standalone Quicktime video player or standalone Windows Media Player-- thus 64 bit codecs for the .mov videos logically can not be the issue. Unless there are x64 bit versions of Quicktime and Media Player that need to be installed; I guess I assumed that Quicktime and Media Player on my system are 64 bit, perhaps they are not, perhaps Sibelius 7 64bit needs special 64 bit versions of QT and MP?
If the .mov video plays just fine in standalone QT or MP, why, since Sibelius 7 uses either QT or MP as the engine to play such videos, wouldn't the videos play in Sibelius 7? The codecs needed to play said videos must be present on my system or they would not play with standalone QT or MP.
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Posted by Robin Walker - 19 Aug 08:23PM Hide picture > I guess I assumed that Quicktime and Media Player on my
> system are 64 bit, perhaps they are not, perhaps Sibelius 7 64bit
> needs special 64 bit versions of QT and MP?
Quicktime for Windows is 32-bit only, as are its codecs for .mov format.
Windows Media Player defaults to the 32-bit version.
-to-set-64-bit-windows-media-player-12-wmp12-as-default-player/
So neither your QP nor your WMP are 64-bit. So the fact that they can play movies is no help for Sibelius 64-bit.
There is a "QuickTime Alternative" for 64-bit, which you might try searching the web for.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 08:28PM Hide picture > Quicktime for Windows is 32-bit only, as are its codecs for .mov format.
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> Windows Media Player defaults to the 32-bit version.
> -to-set-64-bit-windows-media-player-12-wmp12-as-default-player/
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> So neither your QP nor your WMP are 64-bit. So the fact that they can play movies is no help for Sibelius 64-bit.
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I think you are on to something, that WMP is 32 bit by default, and QT is only 32 bit. Sib 7 x64 might be needing a 64 bit player for .mov, not sure. Still, it really seems that Sibelius 64-bit is deficient in not being able to play .mov files (industry standard), there really needs to be a workaround, the PDF guide or whatever for Sib 7 should discuss this, and any solution.
> There is a "QuickTime Alternative" for 64-bit, which you might try searching the web for.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 08:24PM (edited 19 Aug 08:46PM) Hide picture I might be on to a possible solution, not sure. I discovered that Windows 7 x64 by default uses the 32 bit version of Windows Media Player (WMP). There is no 64 bit version of Quicktime. I found an article on how to change Windows x64 so the 64 bit version of WMP is used by default instead of the 32 bit version.
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Okay, I did that. Rebooted. Windows 7 x64 is now using the 64 bit version of WMP by default.
It could be that Sibelius 7 64bit needs to use the 64bit WMP, but is invoking the 32 bit WMP.
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Posted by randall999 - 19 Aug 06:43PM Hide picture > Can you send the video file to me somehow, via Sendspace or Dropbox or YouSendIt or similar?
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I am ftp uploading a number of clips, same 'scene', various sizes and codec renderings. When I have them online I will let you know here, and by email (with a password to access the video clips). Then you can see what I see, now mov works in 32 bit but not 64 bit Sib 7. wmv works okay in 64 bit Sib 7 although there is often an odd 'wormhole' (stutter) effect for the first second of video playback, not sure what is causing that (only in Sibelius, not in a standalone player, so it is not in the actual video file itself). Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by Paul Walmsley - 22 Aug 10:00AM Hide picture To clarify (and I suspect you now know this). There is no way of playing QuickTime files from a 64-bit application on Windows *unless* you have installed a 3rd party codec. If you use Windows media player or a web browser on a 64-bit system then they actually use a trick where they start up a 32-bit process and play the video in that.
Apple haven't released a 64-bit quicktime codec for Windows and so this makes the format a poor choice if you want portability. Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by randall999 - 22 Aug 10:43PM Hide picture Somehow Cubase 5 64-bit plays .mov video files beautifully, smooth, even with a boatload of VST instruments loaded up on tracks in the sequencer. Maybe Cubase uses its own video player, don't know, but if 64bit Cubase can play .mov files smooth, there oughta be a way fro 64bit Sibelius to do the same, maybe Avid could develop its own internal video player? Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
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Posted by ManlyTSO - 31 Aug 10:34PM Hide picture I upgraded to windows 10 using Sibelius 8. I can't get sound from VLC Player or other audio program while using Sibelius. Back to top Allthreads Re: Sib. 7.0: Video -- suggested size, codec, compression?
Posted by Robin Walker - 01 Sep 09:12AM Hide picture > I can't get sound from VLC Player or other audio program while using Sibelius.
That will be because Sibelius has been configured to output audio to a single-client interface (such as ASIO or WASAPI).
To mitigate this issue, in Sibelius's dialogue "Audio Engine Options" you can check the box "Release device when Sibelius is in the background".
To avoid the problem altogether, in Sibelius's dialogue "Audio Engine Options", choose an "Interface" to the desired physical audio device which is of type "(DS)".
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